1500/Mile records for Cain [split]


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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:21 am

megastars get the first name treatment

when you see usain, we know who we are talking about

if i see tyson i know who
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:47 pm

should be noted boston meet will be on espn3
saturday 6-8eastern

6:04PM MBTA Women's 400m
6:12PM Boys' Junior Mile
6:22PM Women's 60m
6:32PM Men's 60m
6:35PM Women's Pole Vault
6:40PM NB Women's Mile
6:50PM Men's Mile
7:00PM Women's 60m Hurdles
7:13PM Powerade Men's 60m Hurdles
7:23PM Women's 800m
7:33PM Women's Two Mile
7:48PM NB Men's 3000m


and then on espn2 sunday from 2-4 eastern

and millrose 2/16 at 5pm on to7????
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Fortius19 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:35 pm

dj wrote:
Fortius19 wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:In all of this excitement it should be noted that Debbie Heald ran on a 11 lap track back in 1972. And also won her race.


Interesting point.

Is there any fairly-well accepted conversion from 11 laps to the mile tracks to 8 laps to the mile tracks for a mile race?

Did the NCAA look into that one? :wink:

Any educated guesses?



Verry rough: add 0.5 seconds per extra turn, in this case three seconds.



dj, thank you very much for that. I had no idea. Puts the comparison with 4:38 in a little bit more perspective (for me at least).

If she had broken the old record by less than one second, I'd still be looking for her to lower it more befor I considered it a "better performance".
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:31 am

Of course, not all 160y tracks were remotely the same. For those adept at handling its steep walls, I'd say that the San Diego track, for example, was 2-3 seconds faster for a mile than was the MSG installation.

Size was only part of the equation.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:50 am

solid point from gh, i just got done reading runner world article on heald

http://www.runnersworld.com/runners-sto ... ant-record

talks of her doing 10-12 miles per day
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:26 am

gh wrote:Of course, not all 160y tracks were remotely the same. For those adept at handling its steep walls, I'd say that the San Diego track, for example, was 2-3 seconds faster for a mile than was the MSG installation.

Size was only part of the equation.


Curious, then, how fast the Chicago Stadium track was for Tom O'Hara's 3:56.4 in 1964? He ran 3:56.6 the month before in NYC.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Helen S » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:39 am

Regarding the Chicago track in 1964, I am assuming this was the same one I ran on in 1966 or 67- which was a hard dirt flat track with a wooden rail and smelled like a barn. Pretty fast though, as I recall.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:55 am

Helen S wrote:Regarding the Chicago track in 1964, I am assuming this was the same one I ran on in 1966 or 67- which was a hard dirt flat track with a wooden rail and smelled like a barn. Pretty fast though, as I recall.


You are talking about the University of Chicago's 220 dirt track, down on 59th St. or so. I ran on it many times. Dust everywhere. I did an indoor steeplechase on it. It was fairly fast track, I remember Wohlhuter running 4:07 or so on it, around 1970. It has since been remodeled to a mondo surface.

O'Hara's race was in the Chicago Daily News meet, held at the Chicago Stadium on West Madison, where Michael Jordan played, on an 11 lap track. The video is on youtube.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby kuha » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:02 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Helen S wrote:Regarding the Chicago track in 1964, I am assuming this was the same one I ran on in 1966 or 67- which was a hard dirt flat track with a wooden rail and smelled like a barn. Pretty fast though, as I recall.


You are talking about the University of Chicago's 220 dirt track, down on 59th St. or so. I ran on it many times. Dust everywhere. I did an indoor steeplechase on it. It was fairly fast track, I remember Wohlhuter running 4:07 or so on it, around 1970. It has since been remodeled to a mondo surface.

O'Hara's race was in the Chicago Daily News meet, held at the Chicago Stadium on West Madison, where Michael Jordan played, on an 11 lap track. The video is on youtube.


Here's the youtube link, posted by the Loyola Athletics site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILN1xjV-rI

The track actually looked pretty decent for the period--11 laps, wood, with relatively tight corners and long straights. No matter how you cut it, however, 3:56 back then, on that surface, was pretty amazing.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:22 am

So is this the WR for an 11 lap track?

3.50.6 Eamon Coghlan IRL San Diego Feb 20, 1981
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:25 pm

yes, with Steve Scott running 3:51.8 behind him for the No. 2 on such an installation.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby mcgato » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:15 pm

Cain finished 3rd in 9:38.68 at the NB Boston indoor meet. That obliterated the indoor and outdoor HS 2 mile record. Is there any way she is not HS athlete of the year, simply based off of her indoor performances?
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Brian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:16 pm

gh wrote: Size was only part of the equation.


So you're saying size matters--?
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:21 pm

cain might well be usa indoor female of the year
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:42 pm

mcgato wrote:Cain finished 3rd in 9:38.68 at the NB Boston indoor meet. That obliterated the indoor and outdoor HS 2 mile record. Is there any way she is not HS athlete of the year, simply based off of her indoor performances?


Last year she was competing with high school girls who finished fourth at the Olympic Trials. Cain is good, but there is an unrealistic nature to this whole thing which seems to be claiming she is world class. At her age, both Decker and Heald were world class, and they were beating some of the best in the entire world.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:15 pm

26mi235 wrote:
mcgato wrote:Cain finished 3rd in 9:38.68 at the NB Boston indoor meet. That obliterated the indoor and outdoor HS 2 mile record. Is there any way she is not HS athlete of the year, simply based off of her indoor performances?


Last year she was competing with high school girls who finished fourth at the Olympic Trials. Cain is good, but there is an unrealistic nature to this whole thing which seems to be claiming she is world class. At her age, both Decker and Heald were world class, and they were beating some of the best in the entire world.


One thing (among many, I'm sure!) has changed since the 70's and 80's in women's (and men's!!) track, whether indoor or outdoor!

In just 3 words......

The African Revolution!!

There is no way you can compare what happened in the 70's and 80's with where things are today!!
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:41 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:i think 8:55 is rrealistic next week for 3k


Yeah....I tend to agree with this moreso than an 8:45. There are much faster US women over the mile/1500m who have only barely gotten to the 8:45 mark.


Right on. Her run today converts to 8:55+
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:50 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:i think 8:55 is rrealistic next week for 3k


Yeah....I tend to agree with this moreso than an 8:45. There are much faster US women over the mile/1500m who have only barely gotten to the 8:45 mark.


Right on. Her run today converts to 8:55+


I know this is meat for another grinder....so to speak ( :D )....but I HATE conversions...whether they're for Cain or anyone else, male or female!

Conversions are ESTIMATES...GUESSES!!

They may be learned estimates.
Scholarly estimates.
Estimates by renowned experts.
But they are still just ESTIMATES....GUESSES!!!

Tonight, Mary Cain was OFFICIALLY timed at the 3000 meter mark, enroute to her two mile.
She ran 9:07.53 there.
There is NO NEED to estimate her time!!
Or convert her time!!

While I firmly believe she COULD have run 3K in 8:55 tonight (actually, much faster!!), she did NOT!!
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:56 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:i think 8:55 is rrealistic next week for 3k


Yeah....I tend to agree with this moreso than an 8:45. There are much faster US women over the mile/1500m who have only barely gotten to the 8:45 mark.


Right on. Her run today converts to 8:55+


I know this is meat for another grinder....so to speak ( :D )....but I HATE conversions...whether they're for Cain or anyone else, male or female!

Conversions are ESTIMATES...GUESSES!!


Exactly and a good estimate is that she would have likely run something around 8:55....maybe 8:56, maybe 8:54 or maybe 8:53. But, within the context that the quote was taken from, it is extremely unlikely she would have run 8:45 which is what someone said they thought she could or would run.

So...see that...we agree. An estimate.
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby guru » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:57 pm

aaronk wrote:Tonight, Mary Cain was OFFICIALLY timed at the 3000 meter mark, enroute to her two mile. She ran 9:07.53 there.



9:04.51
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby KevinM » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:25 pm

Serious question - is there an ignore poster function, as on other websites?
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:31 pm

KevinM wrote:Serious question - is there an ignore poster function, as on other websites?


In your user control panel there is a "friend/foe" tab. Under manage foes you can list users you wish to have ignored. I don't know whether it works or not but once you enter my user name if you can't see my posts you'll know it works! :D
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby ed gee » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:13 pm

Excellent question!

If not, please add this function.

KevinM wrote:Serious question - is there an ignore poster function, as on other websites?
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Re: 1500/Mile records for Cain [split]

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:26 pm

ed gee wrote:Excellent question!

If not, please add this function.

KevinM wrote:Serious question - is there an ignore poster function, as on other websites?


Since I already answered it, may I assume I'm on your ignore list? :D
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