Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]


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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Brian » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:04 pm

aaronk wrote:I've read Brian's post....and I disagree with it!!
Mary herself said in an interview (in 2011 or 2012) that she wants to ALWAYS run fast.....for time.....and looks at times as more important to her than winning.

Not that she doesn't want to win too.....she does.....but she said she'd be happy with a fast time even if she finished back in the pack (paraphrased).

As for her 9:02, I think she DID see it as a fitness test.
She knew the time wouldn't be accepted as an official record.

Guess what?
She's entered in Boston.
Is that gonna be another "fitness test"??
Or was she entered in that meet to get the OFFICIAL records at 3K and 2 miles??

As for 10 years down the road....she signed on with Salazar in 2012....so that makes 10 years 2022!!
Unless things change, there won't be any big championship meets that year.
No OG and no WC!!


I really doubt she's going to wait until 2022 to shatter records left and right!!!
She won't be running that Boston 2 mile as a "fitness test"!!


Aaron, how old are you? I don't mean that derogatorily; age is a matter of years on this planet but also education and experience. [Ripping someone who is "younger" than you in these areas is a form of bullying, I believe, and I don't want to do that here.]

No matter. I'm not going to get into an argument with you on this but I will clarify my statement:

"10 years" is a euphemism for "the future." It is not meant to highlight a specific date. [If memory serves, I think Salazar himself used the term in a recent T&FN interview to show how he and Rupp approached Rupp's career from day 1 when Rupp was in high school and how that long-term approach has paid off. (He might have said something like "...ten, fifteen years down the road..." )] It means looking at things in terms of The Big Picture.

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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Brian » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:09 pm

[Cont.]
You've heard of the phrase "going from Point A to Point B" perhaps? Well, your basic high school athlete--especially one brought up in a world of the American pro-sports attitude of Instant Gratification--wants to go from Point A to Point B and they want to have done it yesterday [i.e, they can't wait to do it].

A good coach knows that it isn't a matter of only going from Point A to Point B. Looking at The Big Picture, a coach--unless they are a self-serving jerk who uses a meatgrinder approach (which makes them a bad coach, IMHO) knows that an athlete's career is a matter of going from Point A to Point Z. In looking at the athlete's entire career, Point A to Point B is merely the first of many checkpoints along the way. A marathon, not a sprint.

Again, most high schoolers don't have the brain development to make decisions based on this principle (most people don't have this brain development fully until their early-mid 20's). To protect the athlete from themselves and those "bad coaches" that exploit rather than develop, I can fully understand why some parents would entrust their potentially "blue-chip" son or daughter to a proven coach who cares more about the long-term than looking good right away. [Think of all the grief Salazar took about his (still learning) methods all the way up until Farah and Rupp crossed the 10,000 meter finish line in London. It takes someone special to ignore the armchair generals criticizing him at every turn for years; that's the guy I'd want guiding my kid...!]

I do see your point, Aaron. And I'm sure you're correct with Cain's feeling about wanting to run fast--who doesn't when you're that age? But if, since that interview you mentioned in 2011 or 2012, she has committed herself to Salazar's long-term approach, she either realizes now or will soon that fast times come with optimum fitness and that fitness needs to progress accordingly in order to have that success/fast times on every respective level of a potentially world-class athlete's career. [A 3:59 mile gets you raves in high school; it doesn't even get you a spot on the line at Oslo when you're 25.]

Any one with talent can run fast. But it's the person who can do so on a given day that walks away with a championship. To do that takes a good program; good coaching.

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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Brian » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:10 pm

[Cont.]

Athletes and coaches bring certain things to the relationship. These things overlap at times, sure. But roughly, the athlete's role is one of execution of the training program while the coach's role is planning the program and the ongoing evaluation of same. [In time, with the athlete's greater maturity and experience, these parameters ideally shift to more of a partnership.] In other words--as I say a lot--the athlete works at it mostly from the neck down while the coach works at it mostly from the neck up. [IMHO, this a big reason why athletes who try to coach themselves are almost never as successful as athlete's with (good) coaches.]

Whatever happens with Cain, I think she is in fine hands and I applaud her and her family for wishing to do things as well as possible in The Big Picture.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby rsb2 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:33 pm

Well said, Brian.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:39 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:Mary herself said in an interview (in 2011 or 2012) that she wants to ALWAYS run fast.....for time.....and looks at times as more important to her than winning.

This interview has been quoted many times.
Who conducted the interview?


I found it.
It was a MaxPreps interview by Joseph Santoliquito, held on May 22, 2012, after her 4:39.28 Penn mile with that 62.5 last lap.
Here is the VERBATIM quote.....from Mary herself.

"I'm very much of a time runner, trying to get down and build my strength.
If I get a fast time, and I'm third, I'm still very excited.
My goal has always been to get faster, and for me, improving at the Penn Relays is what I wanted to do.
Every race for me is about running faster to see what I can do.
I think a lot of runners look much more at who's the best when they line up.
I try to focus on getting my best time."

Those are Mary's own words, soon after turning 16, and maybe 3 months before signing on with Salazar.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:44 pm

aaronk wrote:Those are Mary's own words, soon after turning 16, and maybe 3 months before signing on with Salazar.


That is the whole point, they may have NOTHING to do with her current, more forward-looking perspective.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:06 am

cain ran 9:02 in the first race of her season NOT xc...

suspect budd 8:39 was not her first race of the seasom

cain base speed is waybetter than budd ever was

cain better distance is probabaly 1500, so i likecain chances going faster than 4:11

don;t ask me about budd's politics thought
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:25 am

As an aside, I think Baxter won't touch Cain in track. XC yes, track, no.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:48 am

i saw baxter in the mud in portland, she's more longer distance

but i see baxter as having upside just not the sort of upside cain has

cain has scary speed , let's just say she's more a female jim ryun talent

and salazar has shown he can get the most out of it...

the boston meet should be interesting as some name ethiopian will run and cain will be running for 2nd at best, or maybe 3rd or 4th, depending of how many show up
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby TN1965 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:15 am

Marlow wrote:As an aside, I think Baxter won't touch Cain in track. XC yes, track, no.


Even if they compete in 5000?
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:35 am

TN1965 wrote:
Marlow wrote:As an aside, I think Baxter won't touch Cain in track. XC yes, track, no.


Even if they compete in 5000?


Mary has been compared (by others, not me!!!!) to another Mary.....Decker, by name!!Which is apt, IMHO, because I believe Mary (Cain, that is!!) has unlimited potential at EVERY distance from 800 to 10,000 meters!!!

Decker(Slaney) did!!
Her PR's were:
1:56.90
2:34.65
3:57.12
4:16.71
5:32.7
8:25.83
15:06.53
31:35.3

Those are all outdoor times.
And she ran the 5K and 10K infrequently, so probably could have gone a LOT faster in both!!

Over time.....and not THAT much time......maybe by the time she's out of her teens (less than 4 years!!).....Mary Cain's PR's might match those of Decker Slaney's!!

Across the board.....from 800 to 10,000!!
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:10 am

i have seen cain since frosh year..

for me her better distance is

mile
800
3k

her base speed is exceptional


cain gets the ethiopians in boston

400 Meter Dash 55.74 not a bad 400 and att penn relays she did 62.5 last lap
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:18 am

aaronk wrote:Decker(Slaney) did!!
Her PR's were:

4:16.71
Those are all outdoor times.


Was this her Astrodome (?) mark made on a super-sized indoor track of non-standard configuration? I do not remember much about that race, but retain the memory that she was denied a WR because of the conditions. I remember the time as about 4:17.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby tandfman » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:43 am

Decker's time at the Astrodome was 4:17.55. It was on an oversized, banked indoor track; marks on that track could not then and cannot now be recognized for record purposes.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:18 pm

tandfman wrote:Decker's time at the Astrodome was 4:17.55. It was on an oversized, banked indoor track; marks on that track could not then and cannot now be recognized for record purposes.

Cept'n by this heah place! :D
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby gh » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:43 pm

T&FN doesn't recognize marks on Astrodome oval as records in any category.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:36 pm

Yes, she ran 4:17+ indoors, but.....
the 4:16.71 was at the Weltklasse in Zurich on August 21, 1985.
Second and third in that Zurich race were.....
Maricica Puica.......4:17.33
Zola Budd............ 4:17.57.

Yep, that was the race that Budd, then 19, ran her fastest mile!!
Quite a mile race, eh??
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby doug5321 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:56 am

we have some very young girls who are very good, 3 years younger than cain is daesha rogers.

rogers ran on her schools 3:43 relay, ran a 2:07 for 800, ran a 4:54 mile, got 2nd in state at 3 mile cross country, also won one of the states big cross country meet with one shoe on one shoe off she lost it in the first 50 meters of the 3 mile race. in the 800 she goes out in 58-60 and holds on, meaning she has not learned the advantages of even pacing yet.

rogers was born in 1999 and will graduate high school in 2017

so sarah baxter, mary cain, daesha rogers all amazing young talents, i hope they pan out.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:01 am

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/248558 ... ampionship

people are forgetting ajee wilson pedigree too world junior 800 champ

she's agot the sort of kick youn need to perform at the elite level
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby unclezadok » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:22 pm

I suspect this 3000m by Mary Cain was just the hors d'ourves to her season. That doesn't look right. You know, a little snack thing before the season, like a little meatball or cheese wedge. Of course it was a very fast meatball.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:12 am

the main course???

fast 1500 and a gold medal at the world youth

anyone know who the contenders are,

which kenyan or ethiopian should we be looking, or what unknown
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby doug5321 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:06 am

az2004 wrote:the main course???

fast 1500 and a gold medal at the world youth

anyone know who the contenders are,

which kenyan or ethiopian should we be looking, or what unknown


its only for athletes born in 1996 and 1997
according to the tilastopaja list she is 10 seconds faster than the 2nd fastest girl who is from china
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby doug5321 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:16 am

also the fastest born in 1996-1997 a kenyan girl ran 9:08 so 6 seconds slower than cain did last week.

in the 800 her time of 2:03.3 is behind only a girl from icelands 2:03.1
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 4:24-miler » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:00 am

I posted a youtube link to the great Slaney/Pucia/Budd mile duel in Zurich in 1985. Was it deleted? Is it not allowed to post youtube links? :?:
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby polevaultpower » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:59 am

4:24-miler wrote:I posted a youtube link to the great Slaney/Pucia/Budd mile duel in Zurich in 1985. Was it deleted? Is it not allowed to post youtube links? :?:


It is not allowed if they contain copyrighted material... which is true for most track videos on YouTube.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby lionelp1 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:01 am

Hope the overcooked hyperbole about a 16 year old does not lead to one of you posters predicting a Olympic/World gold medal... just yet. :)
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 4:24-miler » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:06 am

polevaultpower wrote:
4:24-miler wrote:I posted a youtube link to the great Slaney/Pucia/Budd mile duel in Zurich in 1985. Was it deleted? Is it not allowed to post youtube links? :?:


It is not allowed if they contain copyrighted material... which is true for most track videos on YouTube.

Oh ok. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:04 pm

lionelp1 wrote:Hope the overcooked hyperbole about a 16 year old does not lead to one of you posters predicting a Olympic/World gold medal... just yet. :)


Funny you should say that!!
As a comment on T&FN Facebook page, I said she COULD (as in MIGHT!!) run between 8:38 and 8:48 for the 3K, and between 9:10 and 9:20 for the 2 mile!!
In Boston, I mean!

I was around in 1964 when Gerry Lindgren had his phenomenal indoor (AND outdoor!) season.
You remember??
Two miles indoors in 9:00.0, then down to 8:46.0, finally down to 8:40.0.
The latter two were against big name runners, Gaston Roelants and Ron Clarke.
He went on to make the Olympic team that year in the 10K.

Why can't Mary Cain follow the same path?
She's UBER-talented, has a great coach, and is super-motivated to run fast times!!
I think that 9:02 is just the beginning, perhaps akin to Lindgren's 9:00.0.

BTW, interesting to note that Tirunish Dibaba is entered in that two mile!!
Dibaba doesn't stand a chance against Cain!! :P
(I was JOKING!!!)

But I DO think Mary can run what I said, above!!
THIS year!!
If she does, she'll be in the mix for a 1500 or 5K WC slot!!
Medals??
That's a whole other matter!!
(Lindgren, with a sprained ankle, finished 9th in that OG 10K!!)
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 18.99s » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:03 pm

polevaultpower wrote:It is not allowed if they contain copyrighted material... which is true for most track videos on YouTube.

I figure you mean unauthorized copyrighted material, because just about everything published in the past 90 years is copyrighted by default. Including the posts on this message board.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:31 am

t dibaba is doing boston 2 mile

cain definitely has some one to chase
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 4:24-miler » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:25 am

az2004 wrote:t dibaba is doing boston 2 mile

cain definitely has some one to chase

Ohhhhh...it would be cool if this turned into a Lindgren/Clarke circa 1964! Yeah, I know, not likely to happen, but, hey, we can dream can't we? :P
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby bushop » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:45 pm

Blues wrote:
doug5321 wrote:... Ajee Wilson ran a 1:27.27 AJR at 600m
... off the senior AR of 1:26.56 set in 1981, and Ajee, Montano, Wright, Moore, etc. will go after that record at Millrose in 4 weeks...

Will Salazar add Cain to the start list?
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:51 pm

Think Cain has 1:26 wheels? Me neither.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby tandfman » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:05 pm

4:24-miler wrote:
az2004 wrote:t dibaba is doing boston 2 mile

cain definitely has some one to chase

Ohhhhh...it would be cool if this turned into a Lindgren/Clarke circa 1964! Yeah, I know, not likely to happen, but, hey, we can dream can't we? :P

Puh-leez. The girl isn't even 17 yet. No good is likely to come of creating expectations that she will meaningfully challenge Dibaba.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:29 pm

tandfman wrote:
4:24-miler wrote:Ohhhhh...it would be cool if this turned into a Lindgren/Clarke circa 1964! Yeah, I know, not likely to happen, but, hey, we can dream can't we? :P

Puh-leez. The girl isn't even 17 yet. No good is likely to come of creating expectations that she will meaningfully challenge Dibaba.

Couldn't the same thing have been said of Lindgren supporters back then? No one is expecting MC to beat Dib, but I think there WILL be a good show.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:04 am

cain ran 2:04.11 in eugene missing the semis of th OT 800

ajee wilson has better leg speed

whn cain did the 4:39 mile at penn ajee ran 4:50, basically overdistance work for the world juniors later in the year

both kids have elite level talent
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:04 pm

FANTASTIC!!!!
Mary is going after the High School Record in the 1 mile this Saturday in the Armory!!
(front page article)
I just called the Armory, and left a message on their Facebook page asking them to PLEASE time the runners at the 1500 meter mark, thus giving Mary the chance to get BOTH records, just as Alan Webb got both in 2001.
(He actually has FOUR records, as he was also timed enroute in his outdoor race!!)

I KNEW Mary's desire to race for time, for RECORDS, wasn't going to be derailed by going with Salazar.
Thank you, Alberto, for letting Mary be Mary!!

In the next two weeks, Mary could get FOUR High School Records, since the Boston people ARE going to time the runners at the 3000 meter mark enroute to the 2 mile!!
That's been substantiated!
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby bushop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:15 pm

aaronk wrote:FANTASTIC!!!!! Mary is going after the HSR in the 1 mile, 1500m, 3000m and 2 mile!!! That's been substantiated!!
Possibly SIX if we can get them to time at 1000m and 3200m marks!?!?!?
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:27 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:FANTASTIC!!!!! Mary is going after the HSR in the 1 mile, 1500m, 3000m and 2 mile!!! That's been substantiated!!
Possibly SIX if we can get them to time at 1000m and 3200m marks!?!?!?


You forgot to put THIS ( :P ) after your remark!!
First of all, it has NOT been substantiated YET that the Armory will be timing them at the 1500 mark enroute!!
I hope they do, but I don't know if they will.....yet.

Second, even I, maybe Mary's biggest supporter for her to chase records, do NOT believe she would stand a chance to get SIX records.....or five!!
(I DO believe she can get the 1000 meter HSR, but NOT in this 1 mile race!!
She'd have to run a 1000 meter race to get that record.)

They WILL be timing at the 3K enroute to the 2 mile at Boston, so ASSUMING she runs close to what she ran in Seattle, or even faster, she WILL get BOTH records!!

IF...IF the Armory times the runners at the 1500 mark enroute, Mary has an almost 100% chance to get BOTH records.
And she won't even have to come close to her outdoor mark.
She could run, say, 4:16 at the 1500 relatively comfortably, and finish in 17 seconds for a 4:33 mile (NOT 1600!!).
If she runs under 4:13 at the 1500, she could go sub-4:30 in the mile!!

However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR.
BTW, Bowman herself will be in this race!!!
As for the 1600 or 3200, those should be ABOLISHED!!!
I don't give a rat's ass if they time the runners there!!!
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby bushop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:41 pm

aaronk wrote:However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR!!!

Yikes!! Good point, I had no idea it was that quick :!:
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