Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]


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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:15 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR!!!

Yikes!! Good point, I had no idea it was that quick :!:

??!! 1000m en route to 1500??! The 1000 is a COMPLETELY different race - there's not even any sense taking a split there and trying to compare it to other 1000s. :shock:
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:05 pm

aaronk wrote:As for the 1600 or 3200, those should be ABOLISHED!!!

This is probably the most idiotic of the 'obviously true' (but not really true) statements that is made on this board. It is a real hassle to set off and time, including splits, the mile and two mile in a high school meet where they can barely get enough referees to get through a meet. The mile/1500 and the two-mile/3000 are fine for the big meets, but the dual meets are the heart of the high school system and season, and they do not need to run the mile and two mile. If you want to make an argument for the 1500/3000, that is a lot simpler, although not as simple as the 1600 and 3200.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby bushop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:54 pm

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR!!!!!!!!
Yoikers!! Great reasoning, I had no ider it was that quickeroo :!:
??!! 1000m en route to 1500??!!!?!?!??! The 1000 is a COMPLETELY different race - there's not even any sense taking a split there and trying to compare it to other 1000s. :shock:

No there is not. . . so true...........................:idea:
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:01 am

In all the hyperbole (mine included!!) about the future of Mary Cain...
the next 10 years with Coach Salazar...
whether she can make the WC team this year...or should even try to....
what she could do in Rio in 2016....
what fantastic times she might run.....
one thing might be overlooked.

That is.....
in just the next twelve days.....
through February 2nd.....
the track world.....
and especially the American high school track world.....
might see the middle distance section of the High School Record book, the indoor female division.....
COMPLETELY REWRITTEN!!!!

FOUR girl's high school records are in mortal danger in the next 12 days!!
4:18.9 1500 by Lynn Jennings, run Feb 10, 1978
4:38.5 one mile by Debbie Heald, run Mar 17, 1972
9:17.4 3000 and 9:55.92 two mile, both run by Melody Fairchild Mar 10, 1991

And ONE girl may be the one to break all four records!!

Whatever Mary Cain does outdoors this season, or in the many seasons to follow, one thing is for certain!!

By February 2nd, just 12 days from now, we will KNOW.....
whether Mary Cain has made Track History....
or not.

FOUR records (in a thus far recordless season!!) in just two races, now held by THREE different women.....
could ALL be shattered by ONE young girl,
Mary Cain!

And you know what??
She CAN do it!!
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:16 am

world youth 1500 seems cains target this yeaar

world junior 1500 next yearin eugene is next traget..


as of last year sub 56 400 speed was her edge, but this year salazar has focused on he xc base, so she has far more strength to use that speed

suspect beijing 2015 could be her first senior comp if she wanted it

armory is a banked track, and cain should find it home for her, as shes been running there since she was little
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:27 am

So young, so much expectation . . .
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:41 am

we saw her run the dmr as a frosh at penn and we all knew she was a phenom

i think salazar will bring her along properly
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby ExRun » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:56 am

Millrose Mile (Feb 16) should be very interesting. I think the odds favor Mary Cain to win...although I did hear Sheila Reid say she ran a 4:05 1500M which is faster than MC's PR.

"High school standout Mary Cain of Bronxville, NY, will take on a field of top collegians and professionals. Cain, who is coached by three-time New York City Marathon champion Alberto Salazar, will try to break four records in the same race: the USA junior and high school marks for both 1500 meters and the mile. This month, Cain ran 9:02.10 for 3000 meters, the fastest time ever run by an American high school girl.

The women's field includes Abbey D'Agostino (Dartmouth), who placed fifth in the 2012 Olympic Trials at 5000 meters; Jordan Hasay (University of Oregon), the 2011 NCAA indoor mile and 3000-meter champion and Emma Coburn (University of Colorado), the reigning Olympic Trials 3000-meter steeplechase champion.

Among the professional women are Americans Ashley Higginson, Delilah DiCrescenzo, Kate Grace, Sarah Bowman, Emily Infeld, and Renée Tomlin, and Canadians Sheila Reid, Nicole Sifuentes, and Hilary Stellingwerff."
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:39 am

emily infeld would be the girl id pick for a surprise here

lets see what cain does in the armory before be project 4 weeks out
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:42 am

Both Nicole Sifuentes, and Hilary Stellingwerff had their best year in 2012, and for Hilary to do that at her stage was pretty impressive. However, I have no idea how these women are treating this race and the indoor season, which makes a huge difference. A bit of Canadian blood in this one. There are a lot of 4:05-capable women in here, but I doubt that they will be in 4:05 shape next month. I would put my dime on those that are pushing for WIC and I have no idea who that would be.

There are more good runners in this crowd than Cain has ever run with. One disadvantage that high school runners have is that they are so much better than everyone or all but one competitor that racing in a scrum is wholly unfamiliar. Even Decker seemed to have this problem at times and she faced more elbows than Cain has ever seen.

Her stature will make it hard to see the track if she is stuck in the middle and unlike her first race, this is not likely to be primarily a time-orientation race (which will help her given her speed, since many here are longer distance than she is even though they have mile titles).
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:02 pm

WOW!!!
This just gets better and better!!
Record City, here we (Mary Cain!!!) come!!!!!
Hallelujah!!!

Mary's gonna race some biggies in the Millrose mile!!

That means, if she does NOT shatter the 1500 and mile records THIS Saturday in the Armory, she'll get a SECOND chance to do so just two weeks after she (almost certainly) shatters the HSR's for 3K and 2 miles at Boston!!

Hell, she might even break the records for the 1500 and mile she SETS this Saturday....AGAIN at Millrose!!!

This is turning out to be a FANTASTIC indoor schedule for Mary!!

(Only thing I'd change (or ADD!!!) would be attempts at the HSR's for 5000 and 1000 and 800 meters!!!

But heh, who says life is nothing but a bowl of cherries?? :P
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Dutra5 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:30 pm

Not sure why Ms. Cain hasn't made record attempts at 10,000m or 5,000m yet.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:19 pm

Or the marathon, 100 mile, the 6 day race! The trans-continental run...
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:45 pm

aaronk wrote:WOW!!!
This just gets better and better!!
Record City, here we (Mary Cain!!!) come!!!!!
Hallelujah!!!

I may have to retire the Tafny in the "Hyperbolic Hoopla" category.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby lonewolf » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:54 pm

I don't have a dog in this fight but while Ms Cain's recent efforts would be notable downhill with a tailwind, I precict she will get schooled this weekend.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:48 am

going 4:38 would e the primARY goal for cain

meaning she's run the mile faster indoor than any other high schooler

why not celebrate the talent

instead of old men finding failure anywhere

suspect most people season target is moscow..

cain is world youth

and i think salazar has his plan worked out
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Dutra5 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:41 pm

Let's hope the young lady puts up some good performances over a long career. Some of the expectation seem a bit much at this point with the unclear path of any 16 year old.

Not sure Lindgren is someone to be brought up in that vain.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:26 am

Dutra5 wrote:Let's hope the young lady puts up some good performances over a long career. Some of the expectation seem a bit much at this point with the unclear path of any 16 year old.

Not sure Lindgren is someone to be brought up in that vain.


After Gerry ran his 9:00 at the Examiner meet in Dec 1963, no one expected he'd improve by 14 seconds in his next race, challenging SC great Roelants in the process, nor cut his time by another 6 seconds in his next race, challenging Aussie icon Clarke in the process, nor go on to run 13:44, beat the Russians in that 10K, nor make the OG, and finish 9th on a sprained ankle!!

We will all know what Mary is capable of at age 16 yrs and 9 mos after her next three scheduled meets.

She may NOT follow Lindgren's path.....but with that 9:02, and having already shattered the HSR in the 1500 last year (at age 16 yrs and 2 mos!!!)....I'd say her chances are pretty damn good!!!

And let's not forget: Mary herself SAID her intent this weekend is to break the HSR in the 1 mile (and hopefully, if officially timed, the 1500 also!!).

SHE is setting her own standards high!!
We (I am) just supporting her in her quest!!
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:02 am

i've heard her interviewed any number of times, and she is quite articulate

she's very familiar with the armory, she kknows how the get the edge off the bank

this new generation of young kids are not afraid to let it all hang out
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Blues » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:08 am

ExRun wrote:Millrose Mile (Feb 16) should be very interesting. I think the odds favor Mary Cain to win...although I did hear Sheila Reid say she ran a 4:05 1500M which is faster than MC's PR.

"High school standout Mary Cain of Bronxville, NY, will take on a field of top collegians and professionals. Cain, who is coached by three-time New York City Marathon champion Alberto Salazar, will try to break four records in the same race: the USA junior and high school marks for both 1500 meters and the mile. This month, Cain ran 9:02.10 for 3000 meters, the fastest time ever run by an American high school girl.

The women's field includes Abbey D'Agostino (Dartmouth), who placed fifth in the 2012 Olympic Trials at 5000 meters; Jordan Hasay (University of Oregon), the 2011 NCAA indoor mile and 3000-meter champion and Emma Coburn (University of Colorado), the reigning Olympic Trials 3000-meter steeplechase champion.

Among the professional women are Americans Ashley Higginson, Delilah DiCrescenzo, Kate Grace, Sarah Bowman, Emily Infeld, and Renée Tomlin, and Canadians Sheila Reid, Nicole Sifuentes, and Hilary Stellingwerff."


Looking forward to Mary's competitions too... It'll be interesting to see how fast she'll run at New Balance at the Armory, and to see how close she gets to the 4:25 they're shooting for at Millrose.. Just for reference, the indoor mile AJR is 4:32.30, while the indoor mile WJR is 4:24.10.

http://www.runnersworld.com/races/centr ... ile-fields

"Cain will tune up for the Millrose mile by racing the distance at the New Balance Games at the Armory this coming Saturday; she is said to be targeting the American indoor high school record of 4:38.5 at that meet. For Millrose, Salazar has told race organizers she will try to run 4:25."
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:40 am

Suggested T&FN headline IF Mary breaks some records......

Cain IS Able.

(As in Cain and Abel!!)
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:44 am

aaronk wrote:SHE is setting her own standards high!! We (I am) just supporting her in her quest!!

I'm as giddy as the next guy about her talent, but there is something off-putting about the continuing internet analyses and soaring expectations of her 'career', when she's still this very young.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:54 am

i saw her do the 4:39 mile at penn last year and 4:11 was her outdoor 1500 peak race

now salazar says 4:25 and he must know what's possible

so world youth outdoor 1500 means low 4 range



ah what world are we living in, when an american kid has the pediree of an african

is saazr really crazy
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Marlow » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:26 am

az2004 wrote:ah what world are we living in, when an american kid has the pediree of an african
is saazr really crazy

I'm starting a collection to buy you a new keyboard! It's gotta drive you crazy that the 'Shift' key is broken, most of the punctuation marks don't work, and letters like 'g' and 'l 'only work intermittently! :D
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:42 am

aaronk wrote:
She may NOT follow Lindgren's path.....


Let's hope not.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:43 am

Marlow wrote:
aaronk wrote:SHE is setting her own standards high!! We (I am) just supporting her in her quest!!

I'm as giddy as the next guy about her talent, but there is something off-putting about the continuing internet analyses and soaring expectations of her 'career', when she's still this very young.


Particularly with the enthusiasm exibited by a non peer.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:52 am

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
She may NOT follow Lindgren's path.....


Let's hope not.


Or Tim Danielson. Or even poor Debbie Heald who still holds the HS indoor mile record from 1972.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby doug5321 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:05 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
She may NOT follow Lindgren's path.....


Let's hope not.


Or Tim Danielson. Or even poor Debbie Heald who still holds the HS indoor mile record from 1972.


debbie heald is doing very well, although no longer able to run, there was an article on her a couple of months ago.

they should fly her in to watch cain probably break her record, the symbolic passing of the torch, just like greg meyer should be present when the next american wins boston, symbolic connections by history is good.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:16 am

doug5321 wrote:
debbie heald is doing very well, although no longer able to run, there was an article on her a couple of months ago.

they should fly her in to watch cain probably break her record, the symbolic passing of the torch, just like greg meyer should be present when the next american wins boston, symbolic connections by history is good.


It actually is a pretty sad story. But certainly better than Danielson.

On the other hand, Tom Sullivan, who set the high school mile record back in 1961, continued on to do well at Villanova and is in fact at 70 still running some decent miles.
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Re: Mary Cain 9:02.10 3k (Oversized track) [overall HSR]

Postby aaronk » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:09 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
doug5321 wrote:
debbie heald is doing very well, although no longer able to run, there was an article on her a couple of months ago.

they should fly her in to watch cain probably break her record, the symbolic passing of the torch, just like greg meyer should be present when the next american wins boston, symbolic connections by history is good.


It actually is a pretty sad story. But certainly better than Danielson.

On the other hand, Tom Sullivan, who set the high school mile record back in 1961, continued on to do well at Villanova and is in fact at 70 still running some decent miles.


Cain has been compared to Mary Decker Slaney by some.
What's ol' Mary (Slaney, that is!) doing now??
Still run?
Coach?
Being a housewife/mom??
Make speeches??
She's 54 and a half years old now!!
Slaney should go to NYC to be present when Cain breaks the records, just as was suggested about Heald!!
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