A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)


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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby guru » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:37 pm

skiboo wrote:
guru wrote:At just 16, it's reasonable to start thinking world Junior records for Cain. Mind-boggling


3:51.34
4:17.57
8:28.83

Not likely.


For your edification, allow me to post the correct world JUNIOR 1500/Mile indoor records

4:03.28
4:24.10


Please, in the future, read my post before replying. Thank you
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby az2004 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:38 pm

all i say oregon 2014 willbe crazy
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby dj » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:40 pm

Cain quotes:

She was asked what it felt like running against pros.

MC: "It was a little bit less stressful. I could come in last and still run super fast."
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby skiboo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:49 pm

guru wrote:
skiboo wrote:
guru wrote:At just 16, it's reasonable to start thinking world Junior records for Cain. Mind-boggling


3:51.34
4:17.57
8:28.83

Not likely.


For your edification, allow me to post the correct world JUNIOR 1500/Mile indoor records

4:03.28
4:24.10


Please, in the future, read my post before replying. Thank you


No problem, but you didn't state indoor records in your post. Maybe I should have assumed that's what you meant.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby tandfman » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:01 pm

Getting back to other records, Penn State's Cas Loxsom set a collegiate indoor 600 record this afternoon, running 1:15.79. He missed the AIR by .09 or, looked at another way, he missed it by a few hours--Duane Solomon ran 1:15.70 at about the same time of day, but Solomon was in Scotland, 5 hours ahead of State College.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby Marlow » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:07 pm

So her splits were roughly
67
69
72
64!!! (oops, ran out of exclamation marks)


My point being: the girl can close on a good pace! (oh, there was one left)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:14 pm

I'll leave Mary Cain to rest for a few minutes, while I relate THIS new American Indoor Record:

Galen Rupp......3:50.92 in the one mile, breaking Bernard Lagat's record of 3:51.34!

This has been a GREAT day for record breaking!

(Aside to Marlow: I have a backstock of exclamation points set to last THREE average human lifetimes!!! :P )
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby G.Ahearn » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:23 pm

kuha wrote:Very impressive indeed.

I fear, however, that she will cause a worldwide shortage of exclamation marks. Those things don't grow on trees, you know.

:!:


Best line I've heard in awhile. Is it original?
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby kuha » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:46 pm

G.Ahearn wrote:
kuha wrote:Very impressive indeed.

I fear, however, that she will cause a worldwide shortage of exclamation marks. Those things don't grow on trees, you know.

:!:


Best line I've heard in awhile. Is it original?


I'd sure like to think so****

(*= exclamation marks to be inserted when new shipment arrives.)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby TN1965 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:52 pm

aaronk wrote:I'll leave Mary Cain to rest for a few minutes, while I relate THIS new American Indoor Record:

Galen Rupp......3:50.92 in the one mile, breaking Bernard Lagat's record of 3:51.34!

This has been a GREAT day for record breaking!

(Aside to Marlow: I have a backstock of exclamation points set to last THREE average human lifetimes!!! :P )


Isn't Lagat's record 3:49.89?

http://www.usatf.org/statistics/records ... n&sport=TF
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:59 pm

Sure looks like it. But still 3:50 is a great time. I don't think we will see Rupp doing a marathon soon. Which is nice.

It is the fastest by an Oregon grad though. Go Ducks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (take that kuha!)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:09 pm

With 3:50.92 speed, the marathon can wait. This is what's needed to compete with the African runners--which he already was.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:11 pm

Marlow wrote:So her splits were roughly
67
69
72
64!!! (oops, ran out of exclamation marks)


My point being: the girl can close on a good pace! (oh, there was one left)


Yes, the final time compared with the en route 1500m time indicated a helluva finish.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:12 pm

TN1965 wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'll leave Mary Cain to rest for a few minutes, while I relate THIS new American Indoor Record:

Galen Rupp......3:50.92 in the one mile, breaking Bernard Lagat's record of 3:51.34!

This has been a GREAT day for record breaking!

(Aside to Marlow: I have a backstock of exclamation points set to last THREE average human lifetimes!!! :P )


Isn't Lagat's record 3:49.89?

http://www.usatf.org/statistics/records ... n&sport=TF


Correct!!
I overlooked Lagat's 3:49.89 in 2005!!
Sorry!!
However, according to MY records, Rupp DOES get the age 26 indoor mile record, just edging the 3:50.94 of Marcus O'Sullivan from 1988!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:30 pm

News articles report 4:16.4 for Cain at 1500m. Pardon if this is redundant.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby guru » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:31 pm

unclezadok wrote:News articles report 4:16.4 for Cain at 1500m. Pardon if this is redundant.



Auto split was 4:16.11
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby Blues » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:11 pm

Great job by Mary Cain. I guess I kind of expect it though, since she has the relatively unique opportunity to be personally coached by one of the top distance coaches in the world as a 16 year old. I'd probably be concerned if she didn't show significant improvement with Salazar coaching and guiding her.

It would be interesting to find out what type of training facilities and equipment Mary Cain has access to, and if Coach Salazar has any influence regarding that.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:23 pm

Blues wrote:Great job by Mary Cain. I guess I kind of expect it though, since she has the relatively unique opportunity to be personally coached by one of the top distance coaches in the world as a 16 year old. I'd probably be concerned if she didn't show significant improvement with Salazar coaching and guiding her.

It would be interesting to find out what type of training facilities and equipment Mary Cain has access to, and if Coach Salazar has any influence regarding that.


Unique in this country, maybe.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby Marlow » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:26 pm

Blues wrote:It would be interesting to find out what type of training facilities and equipment Mary Cain has access to, and if Coach Salazar has any influence regarding that.

Rupp's training is cutting edge; one would expect she's getting access to some cool stuff too.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby bushop » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:38 pm

Marlow wrote:
Blues wrote:It would be interesting to find out what type of training facilities and equipment Mary Cain has access to, and if Coach Salazar has any influence regarding that.
Rupp's training is cutting edge; one would expect she's getting access to some cool stuff too.

I assume the bells and whistles are in Oregon and she's living in NY.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:50 am

Guess this thread's title needs a slight revision!
With just 3 weeks left to go this indoor season, here's a wrap-up of the records broken so far.
As noted in my initial post on this thread, only WR's, AR's, CR's, and HSR's are included here.
As we all know, there have been NUMEROUS other records broken this year: meet records, other national records besides the USA, individual year age records (age 19, age 28, etc), World and National Junior records (age 19 and under), High School CLASS records (Soph, Senior, etc), and on and on and on!!!
But here are the records broken in the 4 categories I listed:

Men

WR---NONE
AR----600....Sowinski-1:15.61
2 mile..Lagat--8:09.49
CR----1500...O'Hare--3:37.?? (It was listed somewhere, and it IS a CR for 1500!!)
1 mile--O'Hare--3:52.98
4X200R--Penn--1:24.70
HSR---2 mile--Cheserek--8:39.15 (Did he ALSO break Lindgren's 8:06.4 3000 record enroute??)

Women

WR--NONE
AR---600--Montano--1:23.59
CR---NONE
HSR--1500--Cain--4:16.11
1500--Cain--4:11.72
1 mile--Cain--4:32.78
1 mile--Cain--4:28.25
3000--Cain--9:04.51 (Again, her 9:02.10 was NOT an official record!!)
2 mile--Cain--9:38.68

Obviously, Mary Cain was and is the HUGE story this indoor season in the records department!!
With SIX HSR's already broken, that in itself may be a record!!
Has anyone, male or female, EVER broken SIX records in one year??

There's still some big meets left.
The NCAA's, the USATF, and the High School season-enders!!
Then there's the usual spate of European meets and collegiate conferences and pre-NCAA meets, plus lots of high school action left.

And the ubiquitous one still has one more race to go!!
She said she'll "gun it" in whatever race she runs at USATF!!

Exciting year!!
With Millrose's EIGHT records (in my 4 categories) being the HUGE highlight.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:11 am

aaronk, the mens 4X200 cannot be penn

must be pennstate who did the 1:24.70 at their meet

here's the video, i was there

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250014 ... 200-New-CR

same meet sheila reid ran the 4:30
montano was so close to the wr at 600

ajee wilson in january did world junior record, finishing the three laps in 1:27.30

and last night did 1:26.45 breaking her own record

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/ ... ts40-1.htm

in the millrose 2011 hs girls mile ajee finished 3rd, so she has some credentials in hs, not great but good enough to mke the field
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:18 pm

Correction: It was Penn State, not Penn, that got the 4X200R Collegiate record!

ADD:
Cheserek ALSO got the HSR for the 3000 enroute to his 2 mile record, his time at 3K being 8:05.46.

And that makes it NINE records (in my 4 categories) broken at Millrose!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:32 pm

watch the photo album i posted..

reid was dead last the first 400 meters

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577717

just hit next to get a complete view of the race

good close shots
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:04 pm

I'll do a final sum total after the indoor season ends next week, but as of today, here's the totals in my 4 categories (WR, AR, CR, HSR), with men's and women's totals being added together:

WR.........one
AR..........seven
CR..........five
HSR........nine (with 2 events having the record broken twice each)

Total.......twenty two

Here's hoping the NCAA and NB meets add to the above totals!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:05 pm

aaronk wrote:I'll do a final sum total after the indoor season ends next week, but as of today, here's the totals in my 4 categories (WR, AR, CR, HSR), with men's and women's totals being added together:

WR.........one
AR..........seven
CR..........five
HSR........nine (with 2 events having the record broken twice each)

Total.......twenty two

Here's hoping the NCAA and NB meets add to the above totals!!


With the final day of the NB HS meet to go.....and that COULD produce one or two or even three or more HSR's!!......the new totals are:

WR---one
AR---seven
CR---six (Brooks SP added)
HSR--eleven!!! (Frazier and K Williams added)

25 total (so far) in my 4 categories!
Forget the lone WR (for a sec!!), and you've got 24 new records in 3 categories!!
(And Mary Cain got 25% of those!!)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:52 pm

The 2013 indoor T&F season is over!!
(Except for any "outdoor" events held indoors due to inclement weather, etc , later this year!!)
And it ended with a total of 25 records being broken in my 4 categories (WR, AR, CR, HSR).
The breakdown was as follows:

WR---1 (Suhr)
AR----7 (Suhr, Solomon, Sowinski, Rupp, Lagat, Lomong, Montano, 1 each)
CR----6 (O'Hare-2, Penn State, Rollins, Alcide, Brooks-1 each)
HSR--11 (Cain-6, Cheserek-2, Cherry, Frazier, K Williams-1 each)

Two questions:
1. Has anyone broken more records in one indoor season (or even outdoor!!) than Mary Cain?
2. Has there been a bigger record-breaking season for high schoolers than the 11 total they broke??

This year may have been an anomaly....and without Cain, the numbers weren't as spectacular.....but I think it's safe to say that indoor track and field had a pretty GREAT season!!
And I'm saying that beyond the numbers!!
The Millrose meet was one of their best.
The NCAA's were exciting, and the NB meet was one of the best!!
Even the Euros seemed better than average. Yes? No??

Onward to the fresh air and sunshine.....or tornados and hurricanes!! :shock:
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby aaronk » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:02 am

ADD:

Forgot to include Arkansas's 4X400 R record!!
So that makes it SEVEN CR's....and 26 overall!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby br » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:22 am

aaronk wrote:1. Has anyone broken more records in one indoor season (or even outdoor!!) than Mary Cain?


I suspect Henry Rono's 1978 season may surpass Cain's 6 records. Not sure how many times he set Collegiate Records prior to running his 4 World Records, but his efforts in 3000m, 2-mile, Steeple, 5,000m and 10,000m was unparalleled.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby exdrake » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:05 pm

"I suspect Henry Rono's 19878 season may surpass Cain's 6 records. Not sure how many times he set Collegiate Records prior to running his 4 World Records, but his efforts in 3000m, 2-mile, Steeple, 5,000m and 10,000m was unparalleled."

At some point last year a poster on Flotrack posited L. Lalang's season as the greatest distance year ever. Glad I'm not the only person who recalls Rono '78.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:32 pm

aaronk wrote:ADD:

Forgot to include Arkansas's 4X400 R record!!
So that makes it SEVEN CR's....and 26 overall!!


And apparently Florida got the AmCR with their 3:03.71, since both the old CR and the new one had teams with non-Americans.

By the way, for Cain to do to the 1500 record what Henry did to the SC, she would need to run ~3:45 or better (i.e., almost sub-4 pace for the mile).
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby aaronk » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:03 pm

26mi235 wrote:
aaronk wrote:ADD:

Forgot to include Arkansas's 4X400 R record!!
So that makes it SEVEN CR's....and 26 overall!!


And apparently Florida got the AmCR with their 3:03.71, since both the old CR and the new one had teams with non-Americans.

By the way, for Cain to do to the 1500 record what Henry did to the SC, she would need to run ~3:45 or better (i.e., almost sub-4 pace for the mile).


Well, let's see.......with Mary's current rate of progress.......!! :P

Re: the American CR.......my tally does NOT include those.....just the overall CR etc!!
There were, I know, NUMEROUS other kinds of records broken this indoor season....but my list included only THE......WR, AR, CR, HSR's!!
Too many to count, otherwise!! :D
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