T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha


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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby Gleason » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:10 am

I think that indoor and other events should be considered as a supplement to an AOY season. For example, in 1968 McGrady tried the 400, 800 and 400H but couldn't qualify for the Olympic Trials in either event.
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:18 am

Gleason wrote:I think that indoor and other events should be considered as a supplement to an AOY season. For example, in 1968 McGrady tried the 400, 800 and 400H but couldn't qualify for the Olympic Trials in either event.


McGrady is a pretty poor example. While the guy was awesome indoors, he seemed to completely disappear, like no other athlete that I can remember, when the sun shined.

Maybe he was really a vampire...
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby bobguild76 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:49 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Gleason wrote:I think that indoor and other events should be considered as a supplement to an AOY season. For example, in 1968 McGrady tried the 400, 800 and 400H but couldn't qualify for the Olympic Trials in either event.


McGrady is a pretty poor example. While the guy was awesome indoors, he seemed to completely disappear, like no other athlete that I can remember, when the sun shined.

Maybe he was really a vampire...


My point, exactly.

But what memories! I still remember Madison Square Garden, packed to the rafters, McGrady & Evans in the 600. All you ever have to say is 1:07.6, and anyone from that era will get that far-off glazed look of wonder, because they know exactly what you are referring to. I was standing & yelling & screaming with my brother & others from my high school track team at the most amazing indoor performance I ever saw.
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby mump boy » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:26 pm

26mi235 wrote:
Flumpy wrote:But the ones that are similar are counted.

The ones you mention aren't similar, especially the multis.


The 60/100 and the 60h/110h you have already connected, the 1000/1500 is not too far off, the SP, PV, HJ and LJ are identical. The only difference is the seven versus ten; does anybody have any illusions that Eaton would not have won a ten-event contest indoors. These two are not widely dis-similar [I understand that Eaton gets only one great event while adding two mediocre ones but that would have affected the outcome with no more than 0.01%(he won by 10%) beyond injuring himself in the 400]. This mapping is especially the case because you cannot do more than 2 or 3 decathlons at a high level during the short summer season. Eaton is hammered for not setting a OR and not competing in three decathlons, and yet it was only because of an injury and the fact that he had already destroyed the field that he backed off in the 1500 and then called it a season.


Nelli Cooman was 6 times european champion 2 times world champion and WR holder over 60m. Her best over 100m was a solitary european bronze medal and a pb of 11.06, don't tell me they're the same event

As for the multis, they may not effect the result for Ashton Eaton but they certainly will for nearly everyone else. If you're an athletes who relies on your heavy throws you're f****d indoors where as anyone who excels at sprints or jumps has a massive advantage.

Myabe we should count XC when assessing 5k/10k :?
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:43 pm

I was saying given the scoring difference, he could have withstood the effects of adding those three events using anyone's multis resume given that one of them was the 400 where he would have outpointed everyone, with the strong guys being distanced the most.

As for the NC observation, since the multi guys have to be good across the 100/110h/400 and 1500, I doubt many of them are among that subset that cannot bridge the 60/100 gap and the hurdles are the same, which is more important than the differential speed in the 60/100 case. In addition, the 'equating' of the two was done above my post.
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby Gleason » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:36 pm

mump boy wrote:Myabe we should count XC when assessing 5k/10k :?

I agree. IMHO 10K should include all distances between 8K and 20K on all surfaces.
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby gh » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:13 pm

errr... he was joking!
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby tandfman » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:11 am

bobguild76 wrote:But what memories! I still remember Madison Square Garden, packed to the rafters, McGrady & Evans in the 600. All you ever have to say is 1:07.6, and anyone from that era will get that far-off glazed look of wonder . . .

Yup! I'm sitting here with a shit-eating grin just thinking about that fantastic race. Thank you for mentioning it and bringing up.
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Re: T&FN's Men's AOY: David Rudisha

Postby gh » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:55 am

and, if memory serves, it was on live TV, no? (like maybe Wide World Of Sports?)
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