T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rudisha


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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby bobguild76 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:53 am

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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby Fortius19 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:33 am

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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby bobguild76 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:00 am

Rog wrote:I thought David Rudisha was one of the stars of the Olympics, but I didn't vote for him either. Two reasons - yes, he broke the world record with a front running tactic, but that is the best way for him to run, he doesn't have a lightning fast kick. What was impressive was that he set a world record without pacemakers. The use of pacemaking has made all distance events boring and predictable to me, and I'm sure it has contributed greatly to the rise of the sprinters and hurdlers to being the sport's stars.

The bigger reason for me not voting for Daniel was that I think the 800 hasn't developed as much as other events yet. The record is only about 0.8 faster than it was 30 years ago. In that time the 1500 record has improved by over 5 seconds, so by middle distance standards progress in the 800 is comparatively lacking. In comparison to sprint events, the sea level 400 best has improved by 1.1 and the 200 by 0.8 in the same period - one would think the margins by which a sprint record could improve would be much smaller than a middle distance event, but not so. Even the sea level 100 record has improved by nearly half a second!

My number 1 was Usain Bolt in Beijing - beating a world record in the 100 despite basically slacking off with 20 to go is unheard of. In London Usain didn't break any individual records, but he was competing against himself in this regard, and I think his sprint records are the strongest of all world records. Despite what people say about Rudisha, I would still say Usain was the star athlete of the Games, not just in terms of star quality, but in terms of performance as well.


Excellent points, Rog. But comparisons are always affected by when we start them ... For example, if we take the 800, it depends on if we begin before or after Seb Coe. Using 1976 Olympics as a starting point, here are the relative improvements in track (not including hurdles) WRs;

9.95 - 9.58 (3.72%)
19.72 - 19.19 (2.69%)
43.86 - 43.18 (1.55%)
1:43.50 - 1:40.91 (2.50%)
3:32.16 - 3:26.00 (2.90%)
8:08.02 - 7:53.63 (2.95%)
13:13.0 - 12:37.35 (4.50%)
27:30.8 - 26:17.53 (4.44%)

Granted, the first three are all altitude aided, so the percentage would be marginally higher. That underscores just how strong Usain Bolt's 100 record is, which very well may stand as WR for a looooong time.

But what this also shows, is how incredible the 5 & 10k records are. What Geb & Bekele have done to the respective WRs is absolutely stunning. Did they profit from pacemakers? Yes. But distance running is different from sprinting in so many ways, and they (Geb & Bekele) still had to finish the race to set the record. IMHO, what they have done in the distances is every bit as amazing as what Bolt has done in the sprints, and their WRs are every bit as strong.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby eldanielfire » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:06 am

John G wrote:
pickle47 wrote:And Rudisha has led pretty much every race, fast or very fast, from gut to tape. I don't think it took more guts for him to take the OG800 out from the gun; he really had no other choice. In his position as the best in the world right now, it's actually the safest, and surest, way for him to race.


I differ in one respect. Yes - his best tactic was gun to tape. However, there is a big difference between the gun to tape effort in Daegu - slow it down in the second 200; go through 400 in 51.3and then gradually wind it up to finish in the 1:43s - and the gun to tape effort in London.

The risk of mis-timing his effort and blowing up were much greater in London. Just ask Amann and Kaki: they should have finished in the top 4 but blew up due to the early pace.
That's why I agree it was a brave effort.


On that note, why then is Gulnara Galkina's Beijing Steeplechase World Record not so popular? That was an incredible run from start to finish. I know it was a new event but as people have pointed out the 800m World Record improvements have hardly been spectacular and I suspect the Rudisha 800 memory will dim with time.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby Flumpy » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:26 am

eldanielfire wrote:I know it was a new event but............


And there you have the answer.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby eldanielfire » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:30 am

Flumpy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:I know it was a new event but............


And there you have the answer.


I'll be clearly, new for the Olympics, certainly it was an event that had history. The run was still outstanding though, an amazing way to round off the final introduction of a Women's Athletics event to the program.


On another note cheers mump for doing this. Hours of time :D
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby gh » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:57 am

eldanielfire wrote:....

On that note, why then is Gulnara Galkina's Beijing Steeplechase World Record not so popular? That was an incredible run from start to finish. I know it was a new event ...


Not only a new event but also one that hasn't drawn a heavy concentration of high-level distance talent. (As an aside, I also think the barriers aren't high enough to make it the challenge it should be)

I think stat-savvy people recognize that and downgrade the event accordingly.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby eldanielfire » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:53 pm

gh wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:....

On that note, why then is Gulnara Galkina's Beijing Steeplechase World Record not so popular? That was an incredible run from start to finish. I know it was a new event ...


Not only a new event but also one that hasn't drawn a heavy concentration of high-level distance talent. (As an aside, I also think the barriers aren't high enough to make it the challenge it should be)

I think stat-savvy people recognize that and downgrade the event accordingly.


It's always debatable if barrier races don't attract or frighten off racers. There was a great article in Athletics weekly explaining why the Steeplechase is a more difficult distance race. Galkina has posted times in the 5000m that are I the all time top performances and she was always a stronger steeplechaser long before it was an Olympic event.

It's is interesting that Mata Dominguez who was world champion in 2009 was a silver medallist in the 5000m twice and having only just been pipped by Dibaba who we see as the greatest female distance runner of all time for one of them. I'm not saying it's a all-time greatest, but I think you aren't quite giving it the credit t deserves.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No2 Bolt 100m

Postby EME1980 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:00 pm

mump boy wrote:. It helps that he is so perfect, such a class act, gorgeous running action, incredibly handsome, polite, humble, brave

:D :D


Couldn't agree with you more about Rudisha.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby pickle47 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:33 am

gh wrote:
pickle47 wrote:....
And Rudisha has led pretty much every race, fast or very fast, from gut to tape. It's his style. ...


Sorry, but completely wrong. Rudisha has broken 1:41 on 6 occasions other than London. Each had a paid rabbit in the lead at halfway:

1:41.01 Rieti '10
—(Tangui 48.20)
1:41.09 Berlin '10
—(Tangui 48.65)
1:41.33 Rieti '11
—(Tangui 48.60)
1:41.51 Heusden '10
—(Tangui 49.14)
1:41.54 Paris '12
—(Tangui 49.37)
1:41.74 NYC '12
— (Scherer 49.09)

It's obvious the secret to the London WR was getting that damned Tangui out of the way! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I should self-banish for a month, shouldn't I...
Maybe Marlow will give me a TAFNY for most ignorant post of the year.
And did you have to bury me with the actual stats, when you could have just referenced that all of his fast races were rabbited?? :) Anyway, thanks for bringing me down to earth, gh. Promise to think through future comments a little more.
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby Daisy » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:58 am

pickle47 wrote:I should self-banish for a month, shouldn't I...

No, no, no.. Think of it this way, you posed a perfectly plausible scenario and got gh to spend some his time to serve us a all some great stats. :)
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Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David Rud

Postby gh » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:50 pm

nothing personal intended; just in keeping with our "facts, not fiction" credo
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