T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results No1 David RudishaRe: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteNobody picked Jesse Owen's quadruple gold in Berlin. You can see film clips of all four golds on youtube. The guy was graceful and effortless. I thought someone would put that in the top twenty. If you're interested, Jeremy Schaap (sp?)'s book on him and the Berlin Olympics is great and available in audiobook format if you have bad eyes like me. It's called Triumph. It's really, really good, which is why I'm biased towards Owens.
edit: oops, i understand now, thanks for the clarification, I'm an idiot, lol Last edited by athleticshushmail on Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
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I am positive it will come up with more than one person picking it. So far, it was just one person's picks, like Tuariki's New Zealanders, Lopen Uupunut's Finns and my Czechs and Slovaks, LOL.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteI can assure you Jesse Owens 36 will come up!
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I've already posted it and you commented on it but in the wrong place It's now back in the right place
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteThree more of mine have come up - 1980 women's 4x1, Marita Koch 80, Johnny Peacock 12.
1980 women's 4x1 - this was a barrier breaking race with a new world record and a UK record in 3rd place. I was pleased that Marlies Gohr got a Moscow gold after the Soviet attempts to deny her victory in the individual 100, and particularly pleased that Sonia Lannaman got a bronze for her great relay anchor, which took the UK clear of Bulgaria and France. In retrospect the GDR time though was even more impressive as they employed very safe technique, particularly at the end of the second leg where Barbel Wockel passed Ingrid Auerswalk before passing the baton! Marita Koch 1980 - 1979 was my first season watching athletics and the athlete who most impressed me was Marita Koch, with her fantastic world records and incredible margins of victory. I remember being surprised she didn't set a new world record, but she ran the second fastest time ever to claim her gold. I was also surprised Kratochvilova finished within a second of her - but it was the start of an all-time great rivalry. It's just a shame about the 84 boycott, because I'm sure Marita would have won a few more gold and set a few world records in LA and been the female star of the Games. Johnny Peacock Paralympics 2012 - watching a packed stadium chant "Peacock, Peacock" before the start of the 100 was a wonderful moment. It was a definite sign that Paralympians could be heroes. From a human standpoint, the success of the 2012 Paralympics was more important than the "normal" Games themselves, in my opinion. Johnny was under immense pressure but contained it, charged to gold and then showed a very human reaction after he crossed the line!
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteI didn't pick them, but Heike Drechsler 92, Peter Snell and Robert Harding were all just outside my top 20.
Drechsler finally beating JJK in a major competition and making up for being boycotted out in 84 helped establish her as the greatest long jumper ever, and her victory in 2000 confirmed that beyond doubt. Robert Harding's celebrations were amazing, the men's discus is really competitive these days what with Malachowski, Kanter etc so to win a gold in this event is quite something. Also I had some fun kidding my best mate that he looked like Robert Harding (not quite but he's a big, well built blond too, just not on that scale!). Peter Snell impressed me too, but I tried to limit the number of nominations I made for events before my time, because no matter how great they are, they can never have quite the effect that watching a live performance can have. But I would still say Peter Snell is the greatest 800 runner of all-time, even despite the 2012 800.
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Note that mump has been editing his lists as the corrections come in. The current list is as below (split to accomodate the 3000 character limit):
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I remember this one, amazing battle, I think I overlooked it due in part to british bias and their amazing re-match at the World championships 2011. Their duels are ones for the ages.
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This should be one of mine. (Actually, I didn't save my picks, and now I don't remember all of them. Maybe some people picked the 10K race separately (I hope I am not the only one!), so I will just comment on the 5K and the importance of historic double. As other people mentioned, the 5K race was a letdown after the epic 10K. But it was important because Defar was not in the 10K race. Defar was both the defending Olympic champion and the reigning world champion, and the second fasted woman ever in 5K. And beating her in head to head was very important in defining Dibaba's place in history. I expected Dibaba to win the gold in 10K, I was hoping she would win the gold in 5K.
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Just you i'm afraid and it should say Tirnesh Dibaba in 2008 10000m Final. i must have made up the double bit !!
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What?! No one else picked that epic race? That race had everything. The fast pace, great tactics, sprint finish and the greatest winning the race in a grandeur fashion. How could any distance fan not to pick that race? Kiplagat and Masai set the early pace, but I think what made that race really great was Abeylegesse's heroic attempt to drop Dibaba with a long, sustained surge. She came up short, not because she lost the steam, but because Dibaba unleashed a surreal kick after 9600m of high pace. She shifted into another gear as if she had been jogging for the first 24 laps. It was a championship race on a hot and humid day, and the top two still managed the 2nd and 3rd fasted time of all time. If that race was not mind boggling, I don't know what is.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteA few of mine have gone:
Deano in Sydney. A man barely fit enough to get on the team bus somehow came close to a medal. I was close enough to hear his scream as he threw the javelin. Moses in Seoul. Like seeing Ali, Leonard or Hagler knocked down for the first time. Sometimes seeing a great champion in defeat makes you realise just how special they were. I especially loved the way he appeared to take a nap in his lane before the race. Geb and Tergat in Atlanta. Sydney gets more acclaim but they were much better athletes in 1996. Tergat threw everything at him over the last 5k . Christie’s 100. The moment he moves onto Mitchell’s shoulder and you know it’s all over (and I punch a hole in my Dad’s ceiling). (Not yet included: Jonathan’s huge winning leap in the Atlanta final (round 5, I think). Only one person celebrated in the huge temporary stand on the bottom bend. The 2 or 3 seconds until the red flag appeared were amongst the happiest of my life). Jonathan’s TJ in 2000. A moment postponed for 4 years and 2 months. The relief!
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If we both had this one, why only 1 vote? Edit: OK forget that. I see on Mumps edited list that Christie's 100 is now missing, so now it obviously has two votes, at least.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteI remember Christie in 92 as well. For me it was the realisation that he was accelerating away from Burrell that signified he was going to win. They ran in the same semi, which Burrell won, but he seemed flat out whilst Christie seemed to be running within himself and that made me think he could win. I thought the race would be between those two. They had run against each other so often in the past, with Burrell usually winning, but Christie was a great championship performer and I knew he wouldn't blow his big chance.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteAtlanta 1996 wHJ - Kostadinova v Bakoyianni duel.
I was so happy Kostadinova won this; she lost gold in 88 to an inspired Ritter and in Barcelona she was underpar and finished 4th. It was starting to look like she would never get the Olympic gold her talent deserved. The competition in Atlanta was superb, a real ding dong battle. Bakagiani started the 96 season with a PB of just 1.93. She improved to 1.96 indoors and the came to Atlanta and set PB after PB eventually finishing with 2.03, forcing Kostadinova to jump higher at 2.05. It was the Greeks only season over 2m and she never jumped higher than 1.95 again. What was also great about this was Stefka’s genuine delight in seeing Bakagianni in the form of her life and challenging her. There was definite warmth there and I think Stefka thrived off this.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteSeoul 1988 w1500m - Ivan solo run thrasing the opposition
I really admired how Ivan took the race by the scruff of the neck and won this the hard way. She’d been in great form on the GP circuit over 800 and 1500 and come Seoul she was expected to do the 800/1500 double. Instead she went for the 1500/3000. In the latter, which came first, she made her run for home with 300 to go but was overtaken in the last 50m by the preeminent stalker and tactician Samolenko. Come the 1500 and she didn’t want to fall prey to the Soviet’s finishing kick again and took the race out at near WR pace. Melinte tentatively led the field in pursuit, but despite the effort of Slaney and Samolenko to close the gap, Ivan’s lead grew and she finished with the 3rd fastest time of all time. It was such a gutsy, brave run, and perhaps had she had assistance she would have challenged the WR.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 Vote. Barcelona 1992 wLJ - Drechsler finally gets gold
Obviously one of my favourites. I was so nervous watching the competition. She’d lost gold in 84 with the GDR boycott and in 88 a board-perfect JJK was just too strong; I was worried it would happen again. Despite having her best season ever, Drechsler was just too tense in the final and got her run up all wrong jumping way below 7m in the first rd, while JJK and Kravets were over 7m. It took until rd 4 for Drechsler to wrestle the lead from Kravets and I remember the tension in the last rd where Drechsler had to wait for JJK and Kravets to take their final jumps. She looked like she couldn’t believe it, she’d finally won that gold. During the anthem at the medal ceremony, I remember seeing Heike close her eyes and almost shake her head – disbelief and emotion or was it partly due to the FRG anthem being played and not the GDR one? This win finally allowed her to relax and enjoy her jumping again.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteI have forgotten if we defined "moment" and this may be nit-picking but..... Owens four Golds at Berlin 36 was truly "momentous" but does it fit the definition of "moment"?
What would be a moment is Lutz Long advising Owens in the 1936 Oly broad jump... if it really happened......or it is a feel good anecdote repeated until accepted as gospel. My question is: This was not JO's first rodeo, why did he need to be advised to move his mark back if he was consistently fouling?
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This was on my long list, the contrast between the little Greek and the tall elegant Kostandinova added to the drama. Great competish
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Also on my long list. When was the last time someone did this at a champs in 1500m ? Rogachova had a valiant attempt in 92 but i can't think of anyone since
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Which is why it's already been posted as a singular moment
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteOnly have time for six of eight of mine gone so far:
#20: Robbie Grabarz, 2012 HJ bronze I never even heard of this guy in 2011 and then here he has this amazing season in 2012. He ups his PR a few times and scores a medal at a home Olympics!!! Who cares that he shared it? He also won the Europeans in '12, won the diamond league, set his PR and equaled the British record!!! Come on, I thought there were some Brits on this board! #19: Shalane Flanagan, 2008 10K bronze I was still focused on American sprinters as far as the track went back in '08. I knew who Shalane was but didn't think she had a snowball's chance. The winners would all be from Ethiopia or Kenya, right? Why even watch? But, I did watch, and to see the look on her face as she crossed the line and then the realization that she had WON A MEDAL was priceless! For me, it signaled the improvement of American women's distance running. One medal can be a fluke, but now we've had Kastor, Kara and Shalane. #18: Milt Campbell, 1956, Decathlon This choice was influenced by Mr. Campbell's recent passing. I love the Decathlon and for some reason, Milt Campbell stood out to me. I love reading about Johnson and Yang's battles. Bob Mathias grew up not too far from where I live now and still has that All-American boy image in my mind. Bill Toomey and Jenner represent "hard work" paying off. Dan, Bryan and Ashton gave me thrills following their accomplishments "live", but Milt still stands out in his own quiet way. I also love that he won a silver medal and then came back next Olympiad and won his Gold! (as did Americans Johnson and Clay) #17: Carolina Kluft, 2004, Heptathlon Being a fan of the Decathlon, I never really got into the Heptathlon until Caro. I knew about JJK, but didn't get to follow her Hept career until it was over. Watching Kluft dominate in Athens the way she did was awesome. I just knew that she would repeat in Bejing. #14: Roman Sebrle, 2004, Decathlon Another Silver-Gold Decathlete, it's always nice to see the reigning WR holder win his deserved Oly Gold. I could have put all the Decathlon gold medal winners in my top 20, but Roman was "The Man" when I really started to get into the 10-eventer and so makes my list even though looking back, I'm surprised Dan O'Brien didn't. #12 Virgilius Alekna, 2000, DT I started throwing the discus regularly myself as a sub-master in '99, so I was naturally extra drawn to the event at the Olympics.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteTwo I didn't vote for, but impressed me, are Paula Ivan and Robbie Grabarz.
Ivan won the Olympic 1500 by over 6 seconds with an incredible display of commitment. She had been outkicked by Samolenko in the 3000, when the Soviet had run probably the best 3000 of all time up to that point, yet looked easy. Ivan knew Samolenko was the World 1500 Champ as well. She obviously felt her best chance of victory was to run flat out and all credit to her for doing so. For some reason the women's 1500 usually disappoints in major champs - not this time. Compare the 2000 or 2012 races to Ivan in 88, and I know which one impresses me. I think come 2016, Robbie Grabarz could be the face of British athletics. Of all our stars he appears to be the one with most potential to improve. He is immensely likeable and has great competitive temperament. I think when Mump runs this poll in 4 years time there's every chance he'll do better (Robbie that is, not Mump, who's doing a great job, as ever!). Btw - UK readers, did you see Robbie in the Superstars competition over Christmas? He showed a great turn of speed in the 100, but what happened to him in the javelin?!!! You'd have thought he'd have done well in that event, with his height and strength!
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VoteGreat topic - loved Smoke's post re Danvers' bronzeabove - sorry missed deadline for voting.
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This was brilliant and so unexpected for all the reasons you've noted. Thank god CVC wasn't in charge in 08 or PSD would have been selected for in her place
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Names better off left in the past.
Re: T&FN Favourite Olympic Moment Poll Results 1 VotePaula Ivan had an amazing run. I recall being completely stunned at seeing a 3:53 (the quickest before then - all on telly of course - was her own 3:56 in Zurich that year) and equally amazed that Chris Cahill just missed a bronze!
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So near untill Laimute Baukauskaite (Sp) !! overtook at the last minute
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As much as I like to get behidn british athletes, I can't say there is anything particularly great about Grabarz that would make him the fact of British Athletics and I'm not sure he's on par with Ivan Ukhov who is jumping higher them him when it counts and is easily the most entertaining high jumper in terms of personality and his knack for incidents. Plus there is only a year appart between them and I'm not sure Grabarz will consistently better Ukhov anytime soon or have time after Ivan is gone to make a case for face of British Athletics. On top of that we still have Jessica Ennis who is without peer and roughly the same age as Grabarz. The more likley faces of British Athletics in a few years and Okoye, Hitchon, Judd, Jack Green and Jodie WIlliams.
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I don't know about the future face of UK Athletics but don't sell Grabarz short. True, Ukhov beat him handily at the Olympics but Grabarz beat him 3 times out of 7 in 1912. Those 3 wins came in big meets and he clobbered Ukhov at Eberstadt. Grabarz is a year and a half younger than Ukohv, has had only one year at the top level. Technically he is as sound as Ukhov and given his progress last year I don't think 2.40 is beyond him this year. Then Ukhov will have his hands full. In no way am I writing off Ukhov who had a career year in 2012 and could go even higher this year. But it could be a very interesting year with those two + Barshim and possibly Kynard.
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Remember the medal ceremony? The got Baikauskaite and Samolenko the wrong the way round, and Samolenko just pushed past her compatriot and got onto the podium! Trying to prevent an embarrassment or really hoping they'd messed up and she was given silver? Methinks the latter!!
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My memory is that Samolenko looked embarrassed - and Baikauskaite less than thrilled - but the two of them just had to grin and bear it. There's no doubt that Samolenko could have held her off for the silver, but she just didn't see her until it was too late.
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And was then awarded the bronze medal even though she won silver. EDIT: I see I'm not the only one that remembers it. Last edited by Flumpy on Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Wow, I just looked at this race ( QDnu5vIATnU ) and I don't remember it at all. Ivan destroyed them!
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