Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

[aaronk]

All-around thrower (hammer, discus, indoor weight, and shot put) Jeneva McCall, age 23, has suddenly jumped almost four feet in the shot put!!

In an indoor meet this past weekend, she went from her previous best SP of 17.97 (58-11 1/2) all the way to 19.10 (62-8)!!

She's now 8th best on the all-time American indoor list, and 10th best on the combined indoor-outdoor list!!

I wonder if she'll make a similar leap in the weight throw.
If she does, she could go well over 80 feet!!

Whatever the future holds, she's sure gotten the indoor season off with a SHOT heard round the world!!

[Marlow]

Jeneva McCall, age 23, has suddenly jumped . . . from her previous best SP of 58-11 1/2 all the way to 62-8!!

SWEET! And only 23.

[bushop]

Jeneva McCall, age 23, has suddenly jumped . . . from her previous best SP of 58-11 1/2 all the way to 62-8!!

SWEET! And only 23.

Since her 19.10m was Jeneva's only throw over 18m I hope this is not a one-off.

I'm interested to see if McCall improves when (if ever) she switches from a fixed-feet finish to a traditional reverse. Since Dan Taylor moved to AZ and changed his technique (and distances) she might be the only "A" standard rotational shot putter throwing fixed-feet.

Word is her current hammer form is keeping pace with her shot putting performance.

[nianchengyu]

Jeneva McCall - NYAC Shot Put - (17.38m 16.75m 17.49m 17.67m 17.81m 19.10m)
1 McCall, Jeneva NYAC 23.78m /PB by 2cm 78-00.25
FOUL 23.49m 23.78m 23.20m 23.48m 22.62m
Great peformances both,expecting her more good news this year.

[Powell]

If she wants to be internationally successful (as in challenging for OG/WC medals), she needs to make up her mind on which event she wants to specialize in. It's very nice to be good in 3 events (or 4, if you count the WT as a separate event), but it would be a lot nicer to be truly great in one.

[nianchengyu]

yes,but I hope she can win medals in all events,

[Marlow]

I bet it's the HT.

[bushop]

...or 4, if you count the WT as a separate event), but it would be a lot nicer to be truly great in one.

In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

[Marlow]

In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

F'real?! (you would know!)
I would think that at worst it doesn't help, but I can't believe it wouldn't be a useful bit of winter cross-training.

[bushop]

In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

F'real?! (you would know!)
I would think that at worst it doesn't help, but I can't believe it wouldn't be a useful bit of winter cross-training.

"Biggest problem to American hammer throwing is the 15kg weight." Dr. Bondarchuk... I don't know, but he does. But coach Smith, while using many of Dr. B's training ideas, still believes in the big ball.

[Marlow]

"Biggest problem to American hammer throwing is the 15kg weight." Dr. Bondarchuk... I don't know, but he does. But coach Smith, while using many of Dr. B's training ideas, still believes in the big ball.

Oh, so we just have a difference of opinion on its efficacy for HTers.

[gh]

My totally uninformed take has always been that the weight contributes to slow hammer throwing in an era when speed in the ring is what it's all about, not strength.

I once asked Al Feuerbach about training with a heavy shot, and the gist of his response was to look at me incredously and say, "why would I do anything that hampered by speed in the ring?" He was a big muscle-memory guy. He did crazy thing with heavy weights in the weightroom, not in the circle.

[aaronk]

In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

F'real?! (you would know!)
I would think that at worst it doesn't help, but I can't believe it wouldn't be a useful bit of winter cross-training.

People's statements that the wt is bad (or at least not helpful) for the HT doesn't fit the record book!!

Lance Deal is both AR holder in the indoor wt and the outdoor HT!!
Kibwe Johnson and AG Kruger are right up there in both events!!

For the women, Brittany Riley is the AR holder in the wt, and is high on the list of American HT'ers.
And Amber Campbell is very high on both lists!!

Are they just anomalies??

As for mixing the SP or the DT (or even the JT) with the Wt and the HT.....that's another story altogether!!

[bushop]

My totally uninformed take has always been that the weight contributes to slow hammer throwing in an era when speed in the ring is what it's all about, not strength.

I once asked Al Feuerbach about training with a heavy shot, and the gist of his response was to look at me incredously and say, "why would I do anything that hampered by speed in the ring?" He was a big muscle-memory guy. He did crazy thing with heavy weights in the weightroom, not in the circle.

I know of many throwers that use heavy and light implements. They hope to build special strength with the different weight balls and discii. throwers throwing to throw farther.
Likewise, some train with long and short hammer wires.
The trouble with the weight seems to be that one can have great success while pulling the ball while the great hammer throwers push the ball.

[bushop]

"Biggest problem to American hammer throwing is the 15kg weight." Dr. Bondarchuk... I don't know, but he does. But coach Smith, while using many of Dr. B's training ideas, still believes in the big ball.

Oh, so we just have a difference of opinion on its efficacy for HTers.

Sure. But the evidence seems to back Dr. B'. Can someone find a 25 or 35 pound weight PB listed for any hammer Olympic medalist other than Deal?
note: one reason to throw the weight in the States is prize money.

In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

People's statements that the wt is bad (or at least not helpful) for the HT doesn't fit the record book!!
Lance Deal is both AR holder in the indoor wt and the outdoor HT!!
Kibwe Johnson and AG Kruger are right up there in both events!!
... Brittany Riley is the AR holder in the wt, and is high on the list of American HT'ers.
... Amber Campbell is very high on both lists!!
Are they just anomalies??

To the best of my knowledge, the record book you speak of contains one Olympic/ WC medalist.
The anomaly is Deal. While the others you mention are high on the US American lists they are not elite hammer throwers. Johnson has moved to the edge of the elite group but this happened after he gave up the weight throw (per coach's request).

[gm]

I do find it is a difficult transition from weight to hammer for my throwers after the indoor season, for precisely the reason bushop mentioned.

[Bruce Kritzler]

I believe the US is the only country throwing the indoor weight. It has never been an event at the World Indoor Champs.

[nianchengyu]

Jeneva McCall threw 18.11m and 22.37m in Lawrence KS, 25 Jan ,

[leoesharkey]

When I was a young Pup, the world record holder with 76 feet 11 inches in the weight was Yuri Sedykh...He too was an Olympic medalist.

[nianchengyu]

Jeneva McCall tossed 72.15m HT PB but did bad in SP and DT,now her pb in four throwing events:
SP;19.10m DT;59.45m HT:72.15m WT:23.94m

[bushop]

When I was a young Pup, the world record holder with 76 feet 11 inches in the weight was Yuri Sedykh...He too was an Olympic medalist.

Did not know Sedykh had a mark with the 35 lb. weight... nice find.

[bushop]

Jeneva McCall tossed 72.15m HT PB but did bad in SP and DT,now her pb in four throwing events:
SP;19.10m DT;59.45m HT:72.15m WT:23.94m

One wonders how long she'll stay with four events.

[26mi235]

Well, the WT and the HT are the indoor/outdoor 'match' (even if some think it not a good idea).

[nianchengyu]

In Japan GP McCall tossed 18.04m outdoor pb with a 3rd place,then she will participate in shanghai diamond league,good luck to her.

[nianchengyu]

Jeneva McCall seems to focus on SP and HT currently,following her 72.15m HT,she took part in three international meetings in SP,18.04m/17.83m/18.23m PB of outdoors,hoping she will have chances to represent USA in both events in spite of difficulties.

[Marlow]

in SP 18.23m PB of outdoors

Closing in on 60' outdoors. Has an iPR of 62-8 (19.10).