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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby olorin » Fri May 03, 2013 5:24 pm

Johannes Hock (GER) is having a Wonderful first day at the Big 12 meet in Waco. He leads the competition with 4,222 points after breaking four of his PBs (10.78, 7.46, 15.40, 1.94, 49.80).
He is good thrower so he is likely to add ~4000 points to his score and become the third NCAA athlete to break 8000 this season.
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby nianchengyu » Fri May 03, 2013 8:39 pm

olorin wrote:Johannes Hock (GER) is having a Wonderful first day at the Big 12 meet in Waco. He leads the competition with 4,222 points after breaking four of his PBs (10.78, 7.46, 15.40, 1.94, 49.80).
He is good thrower so he is likely to add ~4000 points to his score and become the third NCAA athlete to break 8000 this season.

Yeah,he is a great thrower as far as his age/21y,15.57m SP,50.28m DT,62.34m JV,plusing his strong body.
His second day individual pbs sum up 4050p and his weakness including running events and HJ,which may restrict his future.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby nianchengyu » Fri May 03, 2013 8:43 pm

20-year-old Anouk Vetter of NED scored 5872p in Firenze including 14.12/0.0 - 1.75 - 13.86 - 24.95/-1.0 / 5.55/+0.6 - 53.10 - 2:30.69,comparing to 18-year-old Nafissatou Thiam/6021p 14.53/-3.3 - 1.90 - 14.01 - 24.89/1.8 / 6.00/0.9 - 46.48 - 2:31.32 ) 19-year-old Yusleidys Mendieta /6024p 14.61/-1.6 - 1.79 - 13.76 - 24.15/0.0 / 5.99/1.6 - 48.63 - 2:26.31
18-year-old Yorgelis Rodríguez /6186p 13.97/-1.6 - 1.82 - 13.17 - 24.58/0.0 / 6.00/1.1 - 48.70 - 2:18.05
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby olorin » Fri May 03, 2013 11:11 pm

nianchengyu wrote:Yeah,he is a great thrower as far as his age/21y,15.57m SP,50.28m DT,62.34m JV,plusing his strong body.
His second day individual pbs sum up 4050p and his weakness including running events and HJ,which may restrict his future.

Weakness in the running events and HJ is a characteristics that most top German decathletes share. Of the top ten German decathletes nine have a PB of 2.03 or lower and five below 2.00m. Similarly, eight have a PB of more than 10.8 and five below 7.50 in the LJ.
I guess when looking into decathlon potential American coaches look for sprinet/jumper athlete whereas the German look for the heavier built.
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Fri May 03, 2013 11:27 pm

olorin wrote:
nianchengyu wrote:Yeah,he is a great thrower as far as his age/21y,15.57m SP,50.28m DT,62.34m JV,plusing his strong body.
His second day individual pbs sum up 4050p and his weakness including running events and HJ,which may restrict his future.

Weakness in the running event and HJ is a characteristics that most top German decathletes share. Of the top ten German nine have a PB of 2.03 or lower and five below 2.00m. Similarly, eight have a PB of more than 10.8 and five below 7.50 in the LJ.
I guess when looking into decathlon potential America coaches look for sprinet/jumper athlete whereas the German look for the heavier built.
It's the same as in sprints, our best 100m sprinters are 0,5-0,7s behind the best, and so are our best decathletes.
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby user4 » Sat May 04, 2013 8:05 am

olorin wrote:
nianchengyu wrote:Yeah,he is a great thrower as far as his age/21y,15.57m SP,50.28m DT,62.34m JV,plusing his strong body.
His second day individual pbs sum up 4050p and his weakness including running events and HJ,which may restrict his future.

Weakness in the running events and HJ is a characteristics that most top German decathletes share. Of the top ten German decathletes nine have a PB of 2.03 or lower and five below 2.00m. Similarly, eight have a PB of more than 10.8 and five below 7.50 in the LJ.
I guess when looking into decathlon potential American coaches look for sprinet/jumper athlete whereas the German look for the heavier built.


Very odd, especially in light of the fact that the one recent German OG Deca champ, Schenk had as his strongest event the High Jump where he held the Deca WR for it... now if that were not counter intuitive enough consider the fact that he did it with the straddle technique. More facts like this and one will have to conclude that the Germans are today as focused on T&F as inner Mongolia is on the Americas Cup.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby aaronk » Sat May 04, 2013 8:35 am

Don't know his event PR's, but Hock is continuing to score big points.
After 7 events, he's at 6040.
(14.86--1.0--867 pts......176-8 DT--951 pts)
Unless he bombs in the PV, looks like 8000+ is his.

But why is he just a freshman at age 21??
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby j-a-m » Sat May 04, 2013 9:07 am

aaronk wrote:But why is he just a freshman at age 21??

Went to high school in Germany, and then didn't plan to come to the U.S. and/or didn't get recruited by UT until later.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby j-a-m » Sat May 04, 2013 9:10 am

aaronk wrote:Don't know his event PR's, but Hock is continuing to score big points.
After 7 events, he's at 6040.
(14.86--1.0--867 pts......176-8 DT--951 pts)
Unless he bombs in the PV, looks like 8000+ is his.

110h was no PB, but DT was by about 3m. Hock is also more than 600 points ahead of 2nd place after seven events.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sat May 04, 2013 9:13 am

j-a-m wrote:
aaronk wrote:But why is he just a freshman at age 21??

Went to high school in Germany, and then didn't plan to come to the U.S. and/or didn't get recruited by UT until later.
Close, in Germany you go to school for 13 years (12 in some states) before you can go to university. So he would have been almost 20 before leaving school.
If he continues like that he could go over 8300 points. And if he keeps destroying his PBs he's getting closer to 8400.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby j-a-m » Sat May 04, 2013 9:35 am

norunner wrote:Close, in Germany you go to school for 13 years (12 in some states) before you can go to university. So he would have been almost 20 before leaving school.

This article indicates he graduated from high school in 2011 ("Zum Wintersemester 2011 nahm er ein Studium an der Sporthochschule Köln auf")

http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php? ... sArchive=1
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby j-a-m » Sat May 04, 2013 9:39 am

norunner wrote:If he continues like that he could go over 8300 points. And if he keeps destroying his PBs he's getting closer to 8400.

Looking at the t&fnews lists, 8322 would be #4 collegiate all-time, behind Hardee, Pappas, Eaton.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby aaronk » Sat May 04, 2013 11:53 am

PV results finally in.
Hock vaulted 4.69 (15-4 and 1/2), for 816 pts.
Total after 8 events is 6856!!

Can he get the CR??
He needs to score 1610 pts in his last two events.
He seems to be strong in the throws, so he MIGHT get a good JT.
And with 49+ 400 speed, he COULD produce a sub-4:30 1500.

But will he??
Stay tuned!!
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sat May 04, 2013 12:04 pm

aaronk wrote:PV results finally in.
Hock vaulted 4.69 (15-4 and 1/2), for 816 pts.
Total after 8 events is 6856!!

Can he get the CR??
He needs to score 1610 pts in his last two events.
He seems to be strong in the throws, so he MIGHT get a good JT.
And with 49+ 400 speed, he COULD produce a sub-4:30 1500.

But will he??
Stay tuned!!
Sub 4:30 from someone who's never gone below 4:45 is a bit much to ask. With 62m and 4:40 he would still be over 8300 points though.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby aaronk » Sat May 04, 2013 12:19 pm

norunner wrote:
aaronk wrote:PV results finally in.
Hock vaulted 4.69 (15-4 and 1/2), for 816 pts.
Total after 8 events is 6856!!

Can he get the CR??
He needs to score 1610 pts in his last two events.
He seems to be strong in the throws, so he MIGHT get a good JT.
And with 49+ 400 speed, he COULD produce a sub-4:30 1500.

But will he??
Stay tuned!!
Sub 4:30 from someone who's never gone below 4:45 is a bit much to ask. With 62m and 4:40 he would still be over 8300 points though.


Thanks for info!
Didn't know his PR for 1500.

But...he IS on a roll!!
And if he hits 2 more PR's.......!!
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby aaronk » Sat May 04, 2013 1:27 pm

Hock got 208-9 (63.63) in the JT for 793 pts, and a total, after 9 events, of 7649.

To get......

8224 (CL), he needs a 4:57.44 1500.
8300, he needs to run 4:44.77.
8400, he has to run 4:29.10.
the CR (8466), he has to run 4:19.27.

Given his 4:45 PR, 8300 seems most likely.
But he's been PR'ing all over the place, so........!!??

Whatever he runs, it's going to be a BIG score!!
BTW, the frosh class record is the 8223 that Uibo did earlier this year, so he should get at least that.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sat May 04, 2013 1:28 pm

8293 points for Hock, improved his PB by 400 points.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sat May 04, 2013 2:10 pm

A question for the americans: With his 8293 points Hock could actually qualify for Moscow for Germany, but he would have to compete either in Götzis or Ratingen. And he can't do that if he has another competition coming in the US. So are there any NCAA competitions coming where he may have to be?
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby j-a-m » Sat May 04, 2013 4:47 pm

norunner wrote:So are there any NCAA competitions coming where he may have to be?

NCAAs are five weeks from now. For multi-event athletes there are no NCAA regionals (for all other events those take place three weeks from now), so yeah, NCAAs in five weeks would be the one competition for him.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sat May 04, 2013 5:14 pm

j-a-m wrote:
norunner wrote:So are there any NCAA competitions coming where he may have to be?

NCAAs are five weeks from now. For multi-event athletes there are no NCAA regionals (for all other events those take place three weeks from now), so yeah, NCAAs in five weeks would be the one competition for him.
That could be a problem for him, if he has to compete at the NCAAs. According to the german nominating criteria for Moscow Hock could break the WR at the NCAAs and still not go to Moscow because Götzis and Ratingen are the main qualifying events.
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby olorin » Sat May 04, 2013 8:11 pm

user4 wrote:
More facts like this and one will have to conclude that the Germans are today as focused on T&F as inner Mongolia is on the Americas Cup.

Here are some facts that will help you to move out of inner Mongolia :)
Number of decathlete above 8200 and 8000 by country since 2012:
1. Germany 4, 6
2. Russia....2, 5
3. USA.......2, 4
4. France...1, 4
5. NED.......2, 0
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby nianchengyu » Sat May 04, 2013 9:00 pm

53.85m DT can rank 5th in all-time list of decathlon individual best, :D
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sun May 05, 2013 6:58 am

olorin wrote:
user4 wrote:
More facts like this and one will have to conclude that the Germans are today as focused on T&F as inner Mongolia is on the Americas Cup.

Here are some facts that will help you to move out of inner Mongolia :)
Number of decathlete above 8200 and 8000 by country since 2012:
1. Germany 4, 6
2. Russia....2, 5
3. USA.......2, 4
4. France...1, 4
5. NED.......2, 0
The number for Germany could go up this year, at the moment Schrader and Abele seem healthy (yeah, unbelievable, i know). So there could be seven candidates for three Moscow spots:

Pascal Behrenbruch 8558 PB
Michael Schrader 8522
Arhur Abele 8372
Rico Freimuth 8322
Johannes Hock 8293
Jan-Felix Knobel 8288
Kai Kazmirek 8130
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby nianchengyu » Sun May 12, 2013 6:50 am

Broersen Nadine broke 38-year-old 1.88m HJ NR of NED with a 1.89m and set 13.56s 100mH pb,while dafne schippers fell down the second hurdle in 100mH,after that she ran 17.10s in 150m, both of them will participate in Gotizs along with Sintnicolaas Eelco who did poorly in 110mH and so-so discus.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby nianchengyu » Mon May 13, 2013 9:02 pm

Sara Gambetta/20-year-old did this year, :?
200m 25.62 +0.1 24.31s pb/2010 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
100mH 15.27 -0.9 14.66s pb/2010 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
High Jump 1.65 1.82m pb 2010 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
Javelin Throw 41.93 51.17m pb 2011 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby Gabriella » Tue May 14, 2013 4:15 am

Gambetta has totally lost form and looks too 'heavy' and muscular.

Chernova opened her season last week at the Russian Cup:

100mh - 13.52
HJ - 1.80
200m - 23.89
LJ - 6.57

She should be on for a score between 6600 and 6700 in Gotzis.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby nianchengyu » Tue May 14, 2013 4:39 am

Sharon Day had some good form,13.68s 100mH,14.75m SP,24.25Ss 200m.
Brianne THEISEN:
200m 23.85 +0.4/PB Santa Barbara (USA) 05.04.2013
100mH 13.31 -1.3 Santa Barbara (USA) 05.04.2013
High Jump 1.82 Palo Alto (USA) 28.04.2013
Long Jump 6.31/1cm off PB -0.3 Walnut (USA) 20.04.2013
Shot Put 13.22/PB Santa Barbara (USA) 05.04.2013
Javelin Throw 45.53 Santa Barbara (USA) 06.04.2013
Nadine BROERSEN had a brilliant year, rapid running improvement and break 38-year-old NR HJ,plusing a 55m JVer,she can hit 6400p landmark:Annual Bests
Event Result Wind Venue Date
60m ind. 7.75 Amsterdam (NED) 13.01.2013
800m ind. 2:16.68 Valencia (ESP) 27.01.2013
60mH ind. 8.32 Göteborg (SWE) 01.03.2013
100mH 13.56 0.0 Lisse (NED) 11.05.2013
High Jump 1.89 Lisse (NED) 11.05.2013
Long Jump ind. 6.11 Göteborg (SWE) 01.03.2013
Shot Put 13.82/5cm off PB
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby 26mi235 » Tue May 14, 2013 8:30 am

nianchengyu wrote:Sara Gambetta/20-year-old did this year, :?
200m 25.62 +0.1 24.31s pb/2010 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
100mH 15.27 -0.9 14.66s pb/2010 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
High Jump 1.65 1.82m pb 2010 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013
Javelin Throw 41.93 51.17m pb 2011 Mörfelden (GER) 09.05.2013


A good, not great junior at Wisconsin did individual events at Big Tens (letting her teammate win the title and get a mark for NCAAs) she had


100mH 13.15/3.1 (started year at 13.6?)
High Jump 1.70
Javelin Throw 38.77 [2-meter PR]
Long Jump 5.96 (not much better than high school, where it was her premier event, I think)
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:22 am

Here is a another German decathlon comeback story: Arthur Abele, who hasn't finished a decathlon since 2008, when he scored 8372 points, achieved 4064 points for day 1 in Bernhausen today. That's only about 100 points below his first day from 2008, so a result over 8000 points is certainly possible.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Krauchanka and Rodrígues

Postby norunner » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:55 am

The comeback is complete, Abele scores 8151 points in his first decathlon since 2008.
10.98 (+0,9), 7.27 (+1,1), 14.25, 1.93, 49.52, 14.05 (-1,2), 41.84, 4.70, 66.74, 4:28.01 .
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Re: Let us discuss 2013 multi-event-Mendieta and Rodrígues

Postby olorin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:31 pm

olorin wrote:
user4 wrote:
More facts like this and one will have to conclude that the Germans are today as focused on T&F as inner Mongolia is on the Americas Cup.

Here are some facts that will help you to move out of inner Mongolia :)
Number of decathlete above 8200 and 8000 by country since 2012:
1. Germany 4, 6
2. Russia....2, 5
3. USA.......2, 4
4. France...1, 4
5. NED.......2, 0

Updating the list:
1. Germany 5, 8
2. USA....... 3, 7
3. Russia.....2, 5
4. France....1, 5
5. NED........2, 0
Still the German and the American trials to come
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby tgs3 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:00 am

I think NED should be 2,3. Other countries with at least 2 8000 men:

6. BRA..2,2
7. BLR..1,2
7. CUB..1,2
9. CZE..0,2
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby Gabriella » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:00 am

From a German perspective Ratingen is going to be even more interesting this year than normal. Behrenbruch, Freimuth and Felix-Knobel need to lay down good scores to be selected. Schrader must surely have secured his place; even if Behrenbruch and Freimuth score higher I can't imagine Felix-Knobel will as well. As already discussed Johannes Hock is the interesting one with the A qualifier from this season, but from a 'non qualifying' or 'other' decathlon meeting (in terms of German Qualifying rules)

If none of the guys in Ratingen score over Hock's 8293 then he must get selected, unless they then try and get another decathlon meet in soon. If just one goes over surely he gets selected too?

norunner, what is the German qualifier criteria for performances set in 2012? Don't they insist on marks from this year in the multievents?
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby norunner » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:20 am

Gabriella wrote:norunner, what is the German qualifier criteria for performances set in 2012? Don't they insist on marks from this year in the multievents?
If after Ratingen there is still a slot available (meaning nobody manages 8200 or more there), then marks from 2012 may be accepted. The weather forecast for Ratingen is great, so i think at least two will go over 8200 there.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby olorin » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:48 pm

norunner wrote:
Gabriella wrote:norunner, what is the German qualifier criteria for performances set in 2012? Don't they insist on marks from this year in the multievents?
If after Ratingen there is still a slot available (meaning nobody manages 8200 or more there), then marks from 2012 may be accepted. The weather forecast for Ratingen is great, so i think at least two will go over 8200 there.

I would be very surprised if the top three in Ratingen would not be the three that represent Germany (assuming that I understand correctly that all 8300+ scores in Ratingen are guaranteed a spot). Especially among the men this is very strong competition.
Hope our German contingent will help us to enjoy this competition by positing previews and updating through the competition
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby norunner » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:26 am

olorin wrote:I would be very surprised if the top three in Ratingen would not be the three that represent Germany (assuming that I understand correctly that all 8300+ scores in Ratingen are guaranteed a spot). Especially among the men this is very strong competition.
Hope our German contingent will help us to enjoy this competition by positing previews and updating through the competition
Only the first two are guaranteed a spot if they achieve 8300+. So for Schrader not to be selected the first three in Ratingen would have to be over 8427 points and thats extremely unlikely. And i really want to see Schrader in Moscow because he is the biggest German talent since Busemann. The conditions in Ulm (where he got his 8427) were as bad as in Götzis, very cold and rain throughout the two days, that alone cost him at least 100 points. I think he could go over 8600 in Moscow if he stays healthy.
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby tgs3 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:08 pm

Its on the front page, so most of you probably already saw this, but for those that didn't:

http://www.iaaf.org/news/preview/behren ... -mission-t
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:15 am

20-year-old Sara Gambetta tossed 16.17m including 16.17m/16.17/16.12m series after a long injury,she is the strongest heptathletes I ever saw.I believe this is a world best of 20-year-old women for heptathlon and equals Skujyte U-23 WB for hep in EU-23 of 2001 .
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby eldanielfire » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:49 pm

nianchengyu wrote:20-year-old Sara Gambetta tossed 16.17m including 16.17m/16.17/16.12m series after a long injury,she is the strongest heptathletes I ever saw.I believe this is a world best of 20-year-old women for heptathlon and equals Skujyte U-23 WB for hep in EU-23 of 2001 .



She may well break the Hep Shot Put. But can a throwing based athlete medal in the current trend of heptathlon?
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Re: Let's discuss 2013 multi-event-Schrader and Melnychenko

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:30 pm

eldanielfire wrote:
nianchengyu wrote:20-year-old Sara Gambetta tossed 16.17m including 16.17m/16.17/16.12m series after a long injury,she is the strongest heptathletes I ever saw.I believe this is a world best of 20-year-old women for heptathlon and equals Skujyte U-23 WB for hep in EU-23 of 2001 .



She may well break the Hep Shot Put. But can a throwing based athlete medal in the current trend of heptathlon?

Yeah,since 2011,she grew up too strong to imagine a heptathleta herself, plus long injury she put on lots of fat and lose speed a lot,her LJ,HJ,100mH,200m best all stay in 2010 when she is 17.Her performances in Ratingen already beyond our predict,near best 100mH,not bad 200m in 1.4 headwind,but her HJ down a lot.She may toss SP over 17m this season if she stay healthy.Just now I search the EU-23 SP rankings,Gambetta' 16.17m can rank 8th and 2nd best German behind Lena Urbaniak 16.99m,and she still has some chances to beyond the mark.However,if she want to continue to do heptathlon well,she need to put down weight to run and jump well.Or she is willling to developing to a new Eva Wilms? :D,let's see.
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