Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro


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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby j-a-m » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:23 pm

polevaultpower wrote:Anyway, it sounds like the coaching change wasn't going to meet her needs, and transferring schools when you're that close to graduating sucks too (I've done it), so she figured out something that works for her and it doesn't involve the NCAA, might as well take what little money you can get.

If she stays healthy this year she has a realistic chance of making the WC team; and if she feels going pro a bit early improves her chances of achieving this, then sure, go for it.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby Marlow » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:55 am

j-a-m wrote:
decafan wrote: She filed for divorce.

Only after the school cheated on her by changing coaches.

Oh pleeez. She was not married to the coach; she was married to the team and the school. Coaching changes happen all the time. Jumpers came to Florida to be with Dick Booth. Oops, he's gone to Bama.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby TXred2016 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:43 am

polevaultpower wrote:I got the press release from her dad, who also texted me about it, it's not bogus.

Remember that Shade also graduated HS a year early and gave up her senior season of eligibility because she felt that competing on her own would be more productive for her than competing for her school team and being restricted by UIL rules. I think there were also some coaching changes at her HS that played a role in that decision.

I wasn't in the loop on any of this, but I know Shade and her family pretty well and it doesn't surprise me given the coaching situation. When I saw her coach left Tech and who the replacement was, I didn't think for a second that she would compete for Tech this year.

That's not a knock on the current coach at Tech. There are few coaches who Shade would be willing to work under, and few coaches who could handle her. She's a bit of a spitfire :wink:


Bad info! I'm on the team. I know for a FACT Shade quit the team before we even found out Coach Rock was gone. Trust me, everyone knew she quit the team and gave up her scholarship. Neither HS or college quitting was about coaching. It was and still is about Shade. EXCELLENT vaulter, but worst attitude and teammate you could imagine...

Wish her the best, but love the peace in the building. Her and coach Rock's relationship was not as "peachy" as you have been lead to believe. Spitfire is as nice of description I've ever heard Shade called.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby Marlow » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:55 am

Marlow wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:1. she gave up her senior season of eligibility because she felt that competing on her own would be more productive for her than competing for her school team and being restricted by UIL rules.
2. There are few coaches who Shade would be willing to work under
3. few coaches who could handle her. She's a bit of a spitfire

That paints a very clear picture . . .


TXred2016 wrote:1. Shade quit the team before we even found out Coach Rock was gone. Neither HS or college quitting was about coaching. It was and still is about Shade.
2. Her and coach Rock's relationship was not as "peachy" as you have been lead to believe.
3. Spitfire is as nice of description I've ever heard Shade called.

Same picture.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby TXred2016 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:13 am

Marlow wrote:
Marlow wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:1. she gave up her senior season of eligibility because she felt that competing on her own would be more productive for her than competing for her school team and being restricted by UIL rules.
2. There are few coaches who Shade would be willing to work under
3. few coaches who could handle her. She's a bit of a spitfire

That paints a very clear picture . . .


TXred2016 wrote:1. Shade quit the team before we even found out Coach Rock was gone. Neither HS or college quitting was about coaching. It was and still is about Shade.
2. Her and coach Rock's relationship was not as "peachy" as you have been lead to believe.
3. Spitfire is as nice of description I've ever heard Shade called.

Same picture.


Yeah, but now all of the scholarship and coaching change talks can come to an end... She gave up on both immediately after last season. Maybe the right new coach could have possibly reeled her back in, but she is quite a spitfire...
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby 18.99s » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:56 am

decafan wrote:What? I don't think you understand how things work in college. This press release is most likely enough. Say the date is today. She could lose whatever the pro-rated amt would be for the rest of this semester and definitely next semester. Furthermore, if she was training with the team she would not feel the need to turn pro and go get another coach. It is also very likely she gave up her scholarship so Texas Tech can go out and get a mid-year on her money.
What do you mean "kick her off the team"? She is a megastar turning pro. She quit the team and therefore has no claim on any scholarship money from here on out. I have no issues with her decision, but don't use phrases like "kick her off" and "yank the scholarship"-as if her school has done anything wrong.


If her stated termination date is in the future (December 31st, as in my example, or some earlier December date which is after the last day of classes for the semester), but they decide to yank the scholarship immediately and want her to pay for tuition and room & board prorata for the rest of the semester, that is kicking her off the team.

When athletes with remaining eligibility tell the school that they plan to graduate or turn pro after the end of current semester, I've never heard of schools yanking scholarships mid-semester and demanding that they pay the remaining fraction of the semester.

But if her actual end date was on or before that press release and she's already stopped training with the team, that's a different matter than the future end date scenario which I'm talking about here.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby Marlow » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:22 am

A scholarship, as it was explained to me, is a renewable (by both sides) contract. If an athlete fulfills her team obligations during the current season, she stays on scholarship. If not, not.
If an athlete is in a spring sport and quits at the end of the fall, she earned her scholarship in the fall semester (assuming she did what was asked of her then) but not for the spring semester.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby 18.99s » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:42 am

Marlow wrote:A scholarship, as it was explained to me, is a renewable (by both sides) contract. If an athlete fulfills her team obligations during the current season, she stays on scholarship. If not, not.
If an athlete is in a spring sport and quits at the end of the fall, she earned her scholarship in the fall semester (assuming she did what was asked of her then) but not for the spring semester.

That's what I thought.

Consider 3 scenarios:

1. Actually quitting before the end of the fall semester
2. A mid-semester announcement of the intention to quit at the end of the fall semester, and to participitate in training and all other team activities until the end of the semester.
3. Staying silent during the fall semester while participating in all training and team activities, then announcing and doing the actual quitting at the end of the semester.

To my understanding, #2 and #3 are equivalent as far as the scholarship is concerned; it remains in full for the fall semester but does not continue to the spring.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby tandfman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:42 am

I assume that if she's actually signed a pro contract (and I've no reason to think she has), that would be tantamount to quitting the team.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby TXred2016 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:50 am

Telling the head coach that you quit in July and not showing up to a single practice, team meeting, or compliance meeting in the fall means both you and the track program have parted ways... No need for further scholarship talks under these circumstances.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby Marlow » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:06 pm

tandfman wrote:I assume that if she's actually signed a pro contract (and I've no reason to think she has)

Agreed. I'd be very surprised if anyone has offered her anything.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby 18.99s » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:18 pm

TXred2016 wrote:Telling the head coach that you quit in July and not showing up to a single practice, team meeting, or compliance meeting in the fall means both you and the track program have parted ways... No need for further scholarship talks under these circumstances.


If that's what she did, she wouldn't have gotten any scholarship for the fall semester to begin with, so any talk of yanking anything half-way and expecting pro-rated reimbursement would be indeed moot.
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Re: Texas Tech PVer Shade Weygandt goes pro

Postby ExCoastRanger » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:26 pm

Marlow wrote:
tandfman wrote:I assume that if she's actually signed a pro contract (and I've no reason to think she has)

Agreed. I'd be very surprised if anyone has offered her anything.


You're a U.S. pole vaulter, you're done with school (for whatever reason) and you're going to keep jumping because, you know, it's what you do and you're not done doing it. Saying you're going pro sounds a lot better -- and at least opens the door for offers -- than saying you're "going unattatched."
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