Something going on at Texas?


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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby TxHottrack » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:06 am

The governor of my state of Texas? You got jokes! Lol
I think it's best to keep the focus on track and field.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:13 am

I don't care who the governor is, he deserves to make more than the women's track coach at UT.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby TxHottrack » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:26 am

JumboElliott wrote:I don't care who the governor is, he deserves to make more than the women's track coach at UT.


I can list a million reasons why the governor of Texas is not deserving of making more than former coach Beverly Kearney. As I stated earlier, I prefer to keep the focus on track and field.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:09 am

JumboElliott wrote:What is the head coach of a non-revenue generating sport doing making over two times what the governor of Texas is making?

If we're comparing the salaries of non-revenue coaches at public universities to the salary of that state's governor, there are literally hundreds of coaches all over the country in a variety of sports who are overpaid, not just Bev Kearney. The two most egregious examples are probably women's basketball coaches Pat Summitt ($2.2 million) and Gino Auriemma ($1.8 million), with Vin Lananna being the most overpaid in track and field.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:42 am

jazzcyclist wrote: Vin Lananna being the most overpaid in track and field.

a. No such thing :wink:
b. He's much more than just a 'coach'. He's Tracktown USA!!!
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:02 am

Another way of looking at it would be that given the revenue and attention he brings to both the University of Oregon and the city of Eugene (without him, the OT may not even be there) that Lananna is underpaid.

Perhaps the only track coach in the nation whose program pays its own way (relatively speaking)?
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:12 am

gh wrote:Another way of looking at it would be that given the revenue and attention he brings to both the University of Oregon and the city of Eugene (without him, the OT may not even be there) that Lananna is underpaid.

Perhaps the only track coach in the nation whose program pays its own way (relatively speaking)?

According the Oregon's athletic department books, their track program loses money. Keep in mind that I'm not arguing that Lananna is overpaid, I'm just pointing out that based on JumboElliott's logic, he's overpaid since he makes more than Oregon's governor and he coaches a program that loses money.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:15 am

gh wrote:Another way of looking at it would be that given the revenue and attention he brings to both the University of Oregon and the city of Eugene (without him, the OT may not even be there) that Lananna is underpaid.

Perhaps the only track coach in the nation whose program pays its own way (relatively speaking)?


Helps having a billionaire as your best supporter. Who also helps keeps the football coach from going.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:15 am

that's why I said "relatively speaking"; the track operation itself undoubtedly loses money, but Lananna's work makes money elsewhere, for both university and city.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:18 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
gh wrote:Another way of looking at it would be that given the revenue and attention he brings to both the University of Oregon and the city of Eugene (without him, the OT may not even be there) that Lananna is underpaid.

Perhaps the only track coach in the nation whose program pays its own way (relatively speaking)?

According the Oregon's athletic department books, their track program loses money. Keep in mind that I'm not arguing that Lananna is overpaid, I'm just pointing out that based on JumboElliott's logic, he's overpaid since he makes more than Oregon's governor and he coaches a program that loses money.


Overpaid? Pocket change in Nikeland....as is Chip Kelly's salary.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:21 am

Conor Dary wrote:Overpaid? Pocket change in Nikeland....as is Chip Kelly's salary.

Chip Kelly's salary is easy to justify since the football program makes money.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:26 am

Conor Dary wrote:
gh wrote:Another way of looking at it would be that given the revenue and attention he brings to both the University of Oregon and the city of Eugene (without him, the OT may not even be there) that Lananna is underpaid.

Perhaps the only track coach in the nation whose program pays its own way (relatively speaking)?


Helps having a billionaire as your best supporter. Who also helps keeps the football coach from going.


Oh, absolutely (and on the football side, anybody who was surprised that Kelly stayed at home wasn't paying attention). But note how well Lananna's predecessor did in forging a working relationship with Knight and turning Eugene back into TrackTown.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby guru » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:31 am

gh wrote:Oh, absolutely (and on the football side, anybody who was surprised that Kelly stayed at home wasn't paying attention)...



Considering the looming NCAA sanctions, I'm shocked he didn't get out while the getting was good(ala P. Carroll).
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:34 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:What is the head coach of a non-revenue generating sport doing making over two times what the governor of Texas is making?

If we're comparing the salaries of non-revenue coaches at public universities to the salary of that state's governor, there are literally hundreds of coaches all over the country in a variety of sports who are overpaid, not just Bev Kearney. The two most egregious examples are probably women's basketball coaches Pat Summitt ($2.2 million) and Gino Auriemma ($1.8 million), with Vin Lananna being the most overpaid in track and field.

UConn and Tennessee both turn (small) profits for women's basketball.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:38 am

Yes, Lananna has done a wonderful job and knows how to play the game. The program had been going downhill for quite a while before he got there.

As for Kelly:

    What I believe now is that Kelly, who makes $3.5 million in guaranteed salary and has the blessing of Nike-infused infrastructure, knows his current gig is the best amateur coaching job in America.

    I now suspect he would only trade it for the dream gig of every little kid who grows up in New England -- head coach of the Patriots.

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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:42 am

guru wrote:
gh wrote:Oh, absolutely (and on the football side, anybody who was surprised that Kelly stayed at home wasn't paying attention)...



Considering the looming NCAA sanctions, I'm shocked he didn't get out while the getting was good(ala P. Carroll).

The one thing that Roger Goodell did that I agree with is enforcing NCAA sanctions on Terrell Pryor and Jim Tressell when the left college to avoid punishment. I wish he had done the same with Pete Carroll who left USC one step ahead of the NCAA mob. I wouldn't have a problem if in the future, the NFL formalized this symbiotic relationship and refused to accept coaches under these circumstances until they settled things with the NCAA.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby TxHottrack » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:42 am

Marlow wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote: Vin Lananna being the most overpaid in track and field.

a. No such thing :wink:
b. He's much more than just a 'coach'. He's Tracktown USA!!!


:lol:
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby KevinM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:43 am

Conor Dary wrote:Yes, Lananna has done a wonderful job and knows how to play the game. The program had been going downhill for quite a while before he got there.



I'm not debating that Lananna's teams have been better than Smith's, but as I recall, Smith's teams were markedly better than the teams late in the Dellinger/Heinonen eras.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:54 am

KevinM wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Yes, Lananna has done a wonderful job and knows how to play the game. The program had been going downhill for quite a while before he got there.



I'm not debating that Lananna's teams have been better than Smith's, but as I recall, Smith's teams were markedly better than the teams late in the Dellinger/Heinonen eras.


As I said the program had been in decline for quite a while.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:15 am

JumboElliott wrote:UConn and Tennessee both turn (small) profits for women's basketball.

Not according to the latest figures I've seen.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Blues » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:15 am

26mi235 wrote:The timing is part of the picture here. My guess is there that she had a few strong enemies and that they decided this was the time to stop her rather than enshrine her and found a way to transform rumors in action, and given the climate change since Penn State (but also, the climate has been progressively changing in that direction from when I started teaching in the early '80s).


Maybe. There might also be at least a slim chance that in the absence of a conspiracy, a former athlete from that 2002 team returned after quite a while to be coached by Bev recently, and that maybe something happened during their latest coach-athlete association that made the athlete choose to reveal details of the past relationship, or threaten to go public. Stranger things have happened, so I'm not ready to accept the conspiracy theory as having the highest probability of explaining the situation just yet, although I won't rule it out either.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:46 am

A lot of folks have brought up the timing of this issue, but don't forget that Jerry Sandusky's Penn State crimes were also nearly ten years old but that didn't save the University from having the hammer dropped on them.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Blues » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:30 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:A lot of folks have brought up the timing of this issue, but don't forget that Jerry Sandusky's Penn State crimes were also nearly ten years old but that didn't save the University from having the hammer dropped on them.


I don't think the NCAA would drop the hammer on UT though, unless it turns out that the coach also committed crimes that were covered up. In comparing this to Penn State, whether or not higher officials were previously aware and covered things up at the time could be one ace in the hole that Coach Kearney could be holding since it could further damage the institution's reputation and put them more at risk of possible civil suits by the athlete (or athletes) involved. If there's an ugly lawsuit between Coach Kearney and UT, I wonder if more former and present UT women's track and field athletes and staff would tend to feel more loyalty to their University and possibly to the athlete involved, or to their coach if they have to be involved. Hopefully it won't come to that.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:51 pm

I've never heard of the NCAA punishing a school for a non-criminal relationship between an athlete and a coach?
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:06 pm

polevaultpower wrote:I've never heard of the NCAA punishing a school for a non-criminal relationship between an athlete and a coach?

Prior to the Jerry Sandusky scandal, I had never heard of the NCAA punishing a school for criminal actions at all unless it violated NCAA bylaws. Even when there was a murder and a coverup involving Baylor basketball players, the NCAA let the criminal justice system handle it.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:54 pm

polevaultpower wrote:I've never heard of the NCAA punishing a school for a non-criminal relationship between an athlete and a coach?

It's not criminal, but it's surely unethical.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Cooter Brown » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:21 am

Blues wrote:a former athlete from that 2002 team returned after quite a while to be coached by Bev recently, and that maybe something happened during their latest coach-athlete association that made the athlete choose to reveal details of the past relationship, or threaten to go public.


You must have contacts. That is the exact story that is being passed around locally.

There's also a conspiracy theory like you mentioned but the above is most likely what happened.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:16 am

Original post has been deleted to honor the integrity of the board. :oops:
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Blues » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:56 pm

No specific accusations had been made, but post deleted by author in response to gh's post below.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby gh » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:14 pm

At this point let me interject that these are real people with real feelings we're talking about here, and speculation on specifics on who the person might be should stop at this level. Thanks for understanding.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:31 pm

gh wrote:At this point let me interject that these are real people with real feelings we're talking about here, and speculation on specifics on who the person might be should stop at this level. Thanks for understanding.

Sorry gh. :oops: I've followed blues' lead and erased my error.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby gh » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:44 pm

thanks for erring on the side of caution, but there was no need to yank your originals. If I'd objected to their presence I would simply have excised them myself. I merely said that the investigative trail should end at that point.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby guru » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:00 am

Rose Brimmer assumes position as interim head coach.

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/sports/ ... terim-head
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby TxHottrack » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:23 pm

guru wrote:Rose Brimmer assumes position as interim head coach.

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/sports/ ... terim-head



Coach Brimmer Rose is an excellent coach. She is a pretty good recruiter as well. I hope Texas eventually hires her as the permanent T&F head coach.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby Peter Michaelson » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:53 pm

Just wondering, if a coach has a relationship with an athlete and later they get married, does that make the original relationship OK?
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby 18.99s » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:50 am

Another Texas coach (football) confesses:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1512 ... th-student

However, in this case it's not specified whether the student was an athlete, and the university has already disciplined him years ago.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby guru » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:14 am

18.99s wrote:Another Texas coach (football) confesses:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1512 ... th-student

However, in this case it's not specified whether the student was an athlete, and the university has already disciplined him years ago.



It was a student, and though the two situations are not identical, it makes you wonder how things would have been handled with Kearney had she not voluntarily resigned.

That said, Applewhite far from out of thw woods. From ESPN -

While Dodds and Applewhite both said in their statements that the matter had been dealt with, Texas has called a special meeting of the board of regents for Sunday at 1:45 p.m. ET.

"We are first and foremost concerned with the safety, health and well-being of our students on all 15 UT campuses and wherever they travel under the auspices of our institutions," the board said in a statement. "As a result, it was with great disappointment and sadness that we learned a short time ago about the reprimand given in February of 2009 to one of the assistant football coaches employed by UT Austin for inappropriate conduct during the football team's trip to the Fiesta Bowl in January 2009."

The agenda for the Sunday meeting states there will be a personnel matters discussion, as well as a "discussion regarding legal issues concerning individual athletic personnel" and a "discussion regarding legal issues related to inappropriate relations between employees and students."
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby 18.99s » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:20 am

guru wrote:It was a student, ...


Did you mean "non-athlete"? It's well established that the individual was a student.
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby guru » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:34 am

I dont think it matters if she was an athlete or not. Obviously the woman wasn't a football player under Applewhite's purview, while Kearney was involved with an athlete she coached(an important, and key, distinction).
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Re: Something going on at Texas?

Postby 18.99s » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:45 pm

guru wrote:I dont think it matters if she was an athlete or not.


I think it matters. A college athlete (especially one on a scholarship) is much more vulnerable to coercion and authoritative influence by a coach than a non-athlete student would be, even if that coach is of a different sport. There's still more influence compared to students who don't fall under the jurisdiction of the athletic department in any way.
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