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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Daisy » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:18 pm

Definitely a little clunky and very buggy. Here is an example. I was looking at the year lists for the men's 100m. http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/sp ... enior/2012

At the top there are two options Best by Athlete or All. All is in bold but it is obviously the 'Best by Athlete' list that is shown. When I hit the All link still shows the Best by Athlete option. To get the All option I had to hit the Best by Athlete link and then hit the All link. This can't be designed to work this way so it must be a bug.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby pauluk63 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:35 am

I would like to add my complaint. I still find the new site incredibally difficult to navigate.. I have not got used to it as suggested earlier.

I am also still saddened that in Top Lists they have removed the breakdown of events for the Heptathlon and Decathlon. You used to be able to see what result they had gained from the indvidual event as well as the total score. Often this was a great way of seeing form or if one event had cost them. For example, Jessica Ennis 69** (12.54, 1.86, 14.61... ) etc. Why in improving the site, have they taken away stats?? It makes no sense. I have complained to the IAAF I hope they add this back to the results or at least in a PDF form if they can't add to the main site.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby mump boy » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:51 am

I'm having a meeting with the developers next week so if people do have specifics they would like brought up please PM me
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:57 am

Daisy wrote:Definitely a little clunky and very buggy. Here is an example. I was looking at the year lists for the men's 100m. http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/sp ... enior/2012

At the top there are two options Best by Athlete or All. All is in bold but it is obviously the 'Best by Athlete' list that is shown. When I hit the All link still shows the Best by Athlete option. To get the All option I had to hit the Best by Athlete link and then hit the All link. This can't be designed to work this way so it must be a bug.


Why can't they just name it "performers" and "performances"? I find "all" just a tad nebulous!
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Daisy » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:17 am

gh wrote:Why can't they just name it "performers" and "performances"? I find "all" just a tad nebulous!

Agree, there is a problem if you have to look at the list to figure out what they mean.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:13 am

also makes me crazy that if you go to Olympic field-event results there are no series available, but if you click on the >> next to each person it will.

Maybe it's just me, but those look just like arrows pointing to each of the people. What possible clue is there that something lies buried underneath? This isn't an Easter Egg hunt.

And if you've got the data, why not just show it from the get-go?
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby mump boy » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:19 pm

gh wrote:
Daisy wrote:Definitely a little clunky and very buggy. Here is an example. I was looking at the year lists for the men's 100m. http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/sp ... enior/2012

At the top there are two options Best by Athlete or All. All is in bold but it is obviously the 'Best by Athlete' list that is shown. When I hit the All link still shows the Best by Athlete option. To get the All option I had to hit the Best by Athlete link and then hit the All link. This can't be designed to work this way so it must be a bug.


Why can't they just name it "performers" and "performances"? I find "all" just a tad nebulous!


I wouldn't even mind it it actually worked, you can click on 'All' all day and nothing happens :x
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby mump boy » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:22 pm

On relay results don't bother clicking on the arrow hoping to find out the team or split times you get this

REACTION TIME
0.199 S

800M
1:38.63

1200M
2:28.58 1

what use is that to anyone ?!!

in the lists you don't even get that info :x
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby pauluk63 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:16 am

I had a look again yesterday you can emphasise enough how bad it is! So much data missing surely they must know the only people looking want as much data as possible! No teams in the relay, no date of births on 2012 lists, no relay teams is terrible! Re clicking the year and event and update EVERTIME you want to swap events!

It's not just like changing Facebook like Jon said its dreadful and has of some reason taken away data that they had. I really hope they read this page and make the changes.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby skiboo » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:08 am

I've been trying unsuccessfully to find the London Olympic results - anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Jon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:49 am

skiboo wrote:I've been trying unsuccessfully to find the London Olympic results - anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

From the home page, click on "Results" in the main navigation. From there, click on 'Open filters', then select 'Olympic Games', and select year '2012', then click 'Find results'. It should then give you a link to this page:
http://www.iaaf.org/results/olympic-gam ... games-4871
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby skiboo » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:19 am

Thanks Jon, that works.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby mump boy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:03 pm

skiboo wrote:Thanks Jon, that works.


But you shouldn't need someone to explain how to do the basics it should be obvious

What would we do without Jon ??
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:17 pm

Jon wrote:
skiboo wrote:I've been trying unsuccessfully to find the London Olympic results - anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

From the home page, click on "Results" in the main navigation. From there, click on 'Open filters', then select 'Olympic Games', and select year '2012', then click 'Find results'. It should then give you a link to this page:
http://www.iaaf.org/results/olympic-gam ... games-4871


Yes but why the time-consuming extra step? When I open that page, it opens with the Olympics (and all the other categories of meets) visible at the top… for a microsecond.

Then the window closes down, and you have to hit "open filter" to get them back. And it's not a shift in pages, just moves the other material farther down.

While I know that an elemental rule of web design is to avoid having to make people scroll wherever possible, I'd think that's trumped by the rule of never introducing a link where it isn't needed. And to me, this is one of those places (just like the >> for field series).
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Jon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:44 pm

I can't speak on behalf of the web developers* but my guess is that if that panel were open from the get-go, then it wouldn't be obvious that the user has to scroll down the page to see the search results.

*I should perhaps clarify that I wasn't involved with the design/development process from the outset. I was simply brought on board right at the end and I can only control the content of the site. But at the same time, it's not as though I received any special "training" as to how to use the site. I genuinely find the navigation more intuitive than the old site. When the odd person asks me where such-and-such is located on the new site, I simply start from the home page and think: "right, where's the most logical place it will be?" Pretty much every time without fail I'm able to find what I'm looking for without hitting a dead end. I think the main problem is that many people are trying to navigate the new site as they would the old one (which had a LOT of navigational issues which most people seem to have forgotten!). But the sooner you get the old site out of your head, the easier the new one is to navigate.

I should also add that I am in contact with the development team pretty much every day, and I have been alerting them to any glitches that have been discovered.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:51 pm

so while I'm kvetching about Olympic results, let me add this. So you get to the page you want, let's say for London, and the screen presents this

MEETING NAME COMPETITION CATEGORY VENUE COUNTRY DATE
The XXX Olympic Games Olympic Games London GBR 27 JUL 2012 - 12 AUG 2012

So you've got 5 columns, 3 of which are inactive, 2 of which are live (I won't even mention that the differential between the two, at least these eyes, is so not enough shades of grey; it's not readily evident where the link is).

Logic says that at that point your cursor is over on the right side of the page (where you've just clicked on "find results"), and you're ready for more detail. Maybe it's just me, but my first instinct is simply to stop at "Olympic Games" as the closest live link, as opposed to "The XXX Olympic Games." Neither of them hints at the actual results, so you've got to guess.

And if you guess wrong? Bingo! It repaints the whole page with all the Olympic sites/dates and you need to start again.

I agreed with your earlier assessment that much of the carping about the site was akin to every time Facebook gets a makeover and everybody hates it for a day or two and then they're settled in. In terms of much of the front-page content of the IAAF site that's very much the case.

But not so in trying to find data. Just strikes me that too many things have been done in a counter-intuitive fashion. My guess being that because much of the design was by an engineer, not anybody with any experience at being an end-user.

What I'd call Microsoft Syndrome (as manifested in yearning for the glory days of simple, easy to use WordPerfect, rather than the kludginess that is Word).
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby mump boy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:31 pm

They seem to If you want to find out who won a multi event you can't click on decathlon and get a result !! You have to click on '1500m' to pull up the results of the last race and then 'points' to get the final score :?

Just because something is better than the old version (it's not) doesn't mean it's any good :(
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:44 pm

Here's another kvetch (I think; I might always just be blind).... take today's Karlsruhe meet. In the old days, in addition to the by-event results format, there was always a "click here to see meet in text form" button. Which saves immeasurable time over having to open x number of links.

Is that feature still there somewhere?
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Walt Murphy » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:58 am

I'm looking to find out what happened on this date(March 14) at the 1993 World Indoor Championship in Toronto.
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-indoor-championships/4th-iaaf-world-indoor-championships-16

None of the links(startlist, results) under the timetable-by-day heading work. I have to scroll down to the "Winners in Toronto (SD)" section, where the results of all events are available.

This might just pertain to the 1993 Worlds, since I just checked a couple of other years, and the daily links appear to be working.

Another issue--when I look at the results from a heat or a semi-final, there are no "Q/q''s" to indicate who advanced.

Is there an easy way to find the original IAAF report on a specific Championship, complete with articles, previews, etc?
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby batonless relay » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:54 am

Walt, the old site didn't go back to 1993 (or the 1986 WJC), iirc, so they probably haven't added the data yet, but for ease of use for older champs you might want to use the following link http://www.iaaf.net/history/index.html#WIC

A comparison of results for 2010 WJC M100m
old version: http://www.iaaf.net/wjc10/results/event ... 100_hash_f

new version: http://www.iaaf.org/results/iaaf-world- ... nal/result

at a glance I'm given lane and reaction time in the old version and in the new...I have to press a "v" to get to reaction time while apparently the lane is kept a secret unless you press "view" or "download".

I've pretty much given up on the new site. The only defenders of the new IAAF site are the people either consulting, assisting or drawing a paycheck from it.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:36 am

I'm guessing I now go to the IAAF site 10% as much as I did a year ago; it's easier to find alternate sources up and down the line.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby nicest person ever » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:38 am

fasttrack85 wrote:I just realized the top lists only have the seasons best for each athletes instead of all the marks. It looks like that is something they did on purpose and plan to keep. Does anyone know where on the site i can find the old list with all the marks for the year? If they dont have it then we should attack them.


loooooool this fasttrack guy is fuckin awesome :lol: :twisted:
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Master Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:52 am

gh wrote:I'm guessing I now go to the IAAF site 10% as much as I did a year ago; it's easier to find alternate sources up and down the line.


I initially thought that some of the criticisms I read here of the IAAF's new site were overstated, but...my experience is the same as gh's -- it is now far less common for me than it used to be to go there in search of an answer. That seems like a really fundamental critique of their new site. Oh well, at least I can usually find stuff elsewhere.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby jeremyp » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:32 am

Master Po wrote:
gh wrote:I'm guessing I now go to the IAAF site 10% as much as I did a year ago; it's easier to find alternate sources up and down the line.


I initially thought that some of the criticisms I read here of the IAAF's new site were overstated, but...my experience is the same as gh's -- it is now far less common for me than it used to be to go there in search of an answer. That seems like a really fundamental critique of their new site. Oh well, at least I can usually find stuff elsewhere.

I've rarely visited it since it changed and when I do I swear*&^%*)& often.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Jon » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:43 am

Walt Murphy wrote:I'm looking to find out what happened on this date(March 14) at the 1993 World Indoor Championship in Toronto.
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-indoor-championships/4th-iaaf-world-indoor-championships-16

None of the links(startlist, results) under the timetable-by-day heading work. I have to scroll down to the "Winners in Toronto (SD)" section, where the results of all events are available.
From that page, click on 'Timetable/results', then 'by day'. You'll then be able to see results of all events.

Alternatively, you can use the results archive. From the home page, click on 'results', then 'open filters' to search for the event you need. It'll lead you to this page:
http://www.iaaf.org/results/iaaf-world- ... onships-16
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby norunner » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:12 am

mump boy wrote:I had lunch today with the publisher who created the website, he was very interested to hear that there were problems with the site and wants me to email him with suggestions of how it can be corrected and improved

If people want to post here with specific issues i'll make sure he hears about them and hopefully we can get them sorted
Has this person ever published a webpage before? As far as userability goes the new iaaf page looks like it was designed by someone who never heard of it. For example the lists page, it takes up to 6 or 7 mouse clicks to get the list you want. No info on a webpage should take that many mouse clicks for access cause most people get annoyed way before that.
mump boy: Have you forwarded any criticism and has anything happened since you did?
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby toyracer » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:18 am

gh wrote:I'm guessing I now go to the IAAF site 10% as much as I did a year ago; it's easier to find alternate sources up and down the line.


Exactly. When I google search I click on results that do not take me to the IAAF site. That surely is the opposite of what they should have intended.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby vencio2 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:04 am

Another one here who never goes to the IAAF site anymore.

Went on it a few days ago, first time in months. As someone noted, whoever was involved in this site cannot have been a T&F fan or interested in the stats/bio's side of the IAAF content, which used to be one of the main selling points of the site. I am seriously suspicious of their general 'web design/publishing' credentials as well. The home page is so distracting and difficult to read and it just looks like a tonne of 'stuff' floating around a white screen. Why the row of 'social' icons appears twice (once horizontal and once vertical), right next to each other, is also weird.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:39 am

I don't have time to go digging, but rumor has it that the historical results section is now easier to find data in. Like the Q/q data and reaction times being on the results without requiring another dig.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby jeremyp » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:42 am

gh wrote:I don't have time to go digging, but rumor has it that the historical results section is now easier to find data in. Like the Q/q data and reaction times being on the results without requiring another dig.

On my last visit I was more easily able to find shit I was looking for, but I hope it's a work in progress.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Sun May 12, 2013 8:05 am

Am I just blind/inept (a distinct possibility), or is there no longer an option to view meet results as a whole? In the old days there was a link that opened a pdf with the composite results. Now all I can find is having to open each event as a different button.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Weights&Shoes » Sun May 12, 2013 5:25 pm

My only complaints are with their YouTube page.

1) I like their new interviews conducted by Ato Boldon with current athletes, but the videos are only available on their FB page. I would think in 2013, with social media being at such a high, it would make more sense to host the videos on their YT page.

2) Upload past World Championships content/moments more frequently.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Wed May 15, 2013 7:49 am

squeaky wheel continues to get grease... no idea when these changes were implemented, since I've grown to live without the IAAF lists, but this was passed along to me.

<<We reviewed the page and have eliminated three clicks from the previous format for the ‘Top Lists’:

- Default no longer ‘all-time’ >> top lists now open at current season
- Separate tabs for men or women removed >> both genders are now displayed on the same screen
- No need to select ‘Update’ which is removed >> now simply click on discipline to display relevant list>>

All in all, deffo an improvement.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Daisy » Wed May 15, 2013 8:05 am

gh wrote:All in all, deffo an improvement.

That's a big improvement over their completely non-intuitive previous incarnation.

I'm realising that many of these problems come from the fact that they put all the information into a database and the views we see are dependent on the filters that they choose. This explains the nonsense of having to click on each event to see the result, rather than having one page of results for each meet. But it will be easy for them to create a filter to gives us the one page view.

Maybe they should allow third parties to access their databases and write filter options that fit our needs? That is how the human genome databases work. There are many different genome browsers that allow you to see the same information but with a different user interface.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby bushop » Wed May 15, 2013 9:43 am

Any idea why so many old articles (2012) are gone?
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby 26mi235 » Wed May 15, 2013 12:30 pm

Daisy wrote:Maybe they should allow third parties to access their databases and write filter options that fit our needs? That is how the human genome databases work. There are many different genome browsers that allow you to see the same information but with a different user interface.


Yes, but the genome project is much simpler and all of the people are from the same organization so it is much easier to get those things done.... :lol:
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby gh » Wed May 15, 2013 12:34 pm

bushop wrote:Any idea why so many old articles (2012) are gone?


because when you radically alter your platform, all old links may have to be rewritten, and there comes a triage point on whether or not it's worth it to do so.

T&FN is close to that point, sad to say.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby toyracer » Thu May 16, 2013 8:54 am

I "visited" their site today, courtesy of a link through a front page item here on T&FN. I really dislike the washed out look of their site, it makes me feel like I can't get away from it fast enough. I just read the article and left.
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Jon » Thu May 16, 2013 12:46 pm

gh wrote:squeaky wheel continues to get grease... All in all, deffo an improvement.
A lot of the gripes raised in this thread have been addressed. (Click on the numbers of each point below to see the original post that flagged these up):

1. Dates of SBs now shown on profiles (example)
2. Top lists page now easier to navigate and even fewer clicks than before are required, and all other reported glitches were fixed a long time ago (example)
3. Improved presentation of combined events scores (including individual marks) in results and rankings lists (example)
4. In results, the default view now shows full series as well as qualifiers, wind speeds and reaction times (example / example)
5. When searching for results, the filter now stays open from the outset (example)
6. All 'Focus on Athletes' biographies have been incorporated into profile pages (example)
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Re: Tell Iaaf to stop screwing up their site.

Postby Jon » Thu May 16, 2013 12:47 pm

(continued... character limit reached - a gripe of mine about this website...)

7. Team members now viewable in relay results, and split times viewable in distance races (example / example)
8. Final scores (and intermediate scores) of combined events are now presented much better on results pages (example)

bushop wrote:Any idea why so many old articles (2012) are gone?
All old articles (from the early days of the site in the late 90s) should all be there. Most automatically redirect, but some don't. Where there any in particular you were trying to find?
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