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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby tandfman » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:47 am

You're ignoring the economic impact on the city (estimated at $350 million) and the $26 million raised for many charities. The former is surely a good part of what induced the Mayor to give the green light to going ahead with the event.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Walt Murphy » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:08 am

Mary Wittenberg will give her side of the story on the Today Show in just a bit.

Edit: Wittenberg just confirmed that Saturday's 5k race has been canceled.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:17 pm

tandfman wrote:... the $26 million raised for many charities. ...is surely a good part of what induced the Mayor to give the green light to going ahead with the event.



Yes, well considering Bloomberg just saved the NYRR $14 million, let's see how much of that they give back to the relief efforts. And I don't mean leftover bagels and oranges from the race.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:26 pm

I see NYRR is now giving $1 million to Sandy relief. That's great, but frankly a pittance compared to what they will take in by having the marathon go on as scheduled.

In fact, I looked at last year's numbers. Even assuming there was no increase in entry revenue(unlikely, since that was realized long before Sandy hit), the 2011 financials(using 2012 entry fees) are telling.

Lottery Entrants
US - 4894 x $255 - $1,247,970
Intl - 2210 x $347 - $766,870

Guaranteed Entrants
28412 x $255 - $7,245,060

International Travel Partners(via travel agencies)
19000 x $347 - $6,593,000

Grand Total - $15,852,900(does not include NYRR cut of 7500 charity entries, or additional entry amount for any international "guaranteed entrants")


So, frankly, I'm not impressed by the $1 million donation, considering they stood to lose at least $16 million if the race was cancelled.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:43 pm

Well, Anson Mount - star of AMC's Hell on Wheels, New Yorker, and runner - has made his feelings known lol

http://www.facebook.com/ansonmount1/pos ... 1483199108


Anson Mount wrote:Out of curiosity, if I were to show up at a major NYC Marathon checkpoint and scream, "Too soon, you fu*king as*holes", who would show up to join me?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:06 pm

A lot of small merchants and eateries might not make it through without the additional revenues provided by the race.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:15 pm

26mi235 wrote:A lot of small merchants and eateries might not make it through without the additional revenues provided by the race.



The few that are open.


And for those who say the marathon will have no negative impact on the survivors, how about evacuees getting kicked out of hotels to make room for runners?

Here's one hotel that's telling the runners too bad.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/ ... servations
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby tandfman » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:23 am

guru wrote:I'm not impressed by the $1 million donation . . .


The $1 million is just the beginning. The Rudin family has added $1.1 million to that pot and one of the race's sponsors put up another $500,000. In addition, the NYRR is soliciting donations from their members.

http://www.nyrr.org/newsroom/nyrr-news- ... athon-fund
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:55 am

tandfman wrote:
guru wrote:I'm not impressed by the $1 million donation . . .


The $1 million is just the beginning. The Rudin family has added $1.1 million to that pot and one of the race's sponsors put up another $500,000. In addition, the NYRR is soliciting donations from their members.

http://www.nyrr.org/newsroom/nyrr-news- ... athon-fund



Anything other than what the NYRR is donating out of the entry fees they've collected is beside the point.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:49 am

guru wrote:The few that are open.


And for those who say the marathon will have no negative impact on the survivors, how about evacuees getting kicked out of hotels to make room for runners?

Here's one hotel that's telling the runners too bad.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/ ... servations

I doubt very seriously that Sandy evacuees will be kicked out of hotel rooms to make room for runners based on previous history of similar events. After Katrina, the Baton Rouge hotels were full of evacuees for most of the football seaon and LSU's opponents all had to fly in on the day of the game. Also, it's being reported on ESPN that the Pittsburgh Steelers will be forced to fly into New York on Sunday morning due to a lack of hotel rooms.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby huntinwr » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:52 am

On GMA this morning they showed two massive generators sitting idle in Central Park, presumably waiting to be used Sunday. That's not going to be a popular picture! :(
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:54 am

jazzcyclist wrote:I doubt very seriously that Sandy evacuees will be kicked out of hotel rooms to make room for runners based on previous history of similar events.



http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomber ... 003539.php

“Those marathon rooms were booked months ago,” said Karen Yam, a desk clerk at the DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Metropolitan on Lexington Avenue in midtown Manhattan. About 60 to 70 of the property’s 775 rooms will be occupied by people in town for the race, she said. “It’s been very difficult and frustrating to turn people down from downtown and the suburbs.”

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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:05 am

guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:I doubt very seriously that Sandy evacuees will be kicked out of hotel rooms to make room for runners based on previous history of similar events.



http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomber ... 003539.php

“Those marathon rooms were booked months ago,” said Karen Yam, a desk clerk at the DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Metropolitan on Lexington Avenue in midtown Manhattan. About 60 to 70 of the property’s 775 rooms will be occupied by people in town for the race, she said. “It’s been very difficult and frustrating to turn people down from downtown and the suburbs.”


Nothing in that article indicates they're evicting evacuees from hotel rooms that they already occuppy.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:08 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:I doubt very seriously that Sandy evacuees will be kicked out of hotel rooms to make room for runners based on previous history of similar events.



http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomber ... 003539.php

“Those marathon rooms were booked months ago,” said Karen Yam, a desk clerk at the DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Metropolitan on Lexington Avenue in midtown Manhattan. About 60 to 70 of the property’s 775 rooms will be occupied by people in town for the race, she said. “It’s been very difficult and frustrating to turn people down from downtown and the suburbs.”


Nothing in that article indicates they're evicting evacuees from hotel rooms.



At least in the hotel quoted(and I'm sure there are others), they are turning away evacuees due to marathon reservations. No marathon, those rooms would be available for the needy.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:14 am

Bloomberg deflecting in his press conference today, comparing his decision to allow the marathon to Rudy Giuliani's decision to allow it following 9/11. Of course, the 2001 marathon was almost two months after the terrorist attacks.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:25 am

guru wrote:At least in the hotel quoted(and I'm sure there are others), they are turning away evacuees due to marathon reservations. No marathon, those rooms would be available for the needy.

IMO, eveicting runners, most of whom have flown in from out of town and would have no place to go until their scheduled return flight leaves, would be just as bad as evicting evacuees. I also noted this excerpt from the article you linked:
Hotels, meanwhile, are already full of employees of firms such as Morgan Stanley and UBS AG who are renting rooms in Manhattan, along with other local residents unable or unwilling to return to homes ravaged by Sandy’s rain, wind and flooding.

It sounds like a lot of evacuees have already been accommodated and the hotels have a first-come-first-serve policy. Perhaps the hotels should have contacted the runners last weekend before they all boarded planes to New York and told them not to come, if evacuees were going to be the #1 priority.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby aaronk » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:26 am

Maybe a dumb naive question, but......

Why did they have to cancel Saturday's 5K...while keeping the 26.2 mile marathon through 5 Boroughs??
I would think the logistics would be a lot less complicated than they are for the marathon!!

Couldn't they have moved it to Sunday, held it either before or after the marathon??
Maybe move the race site so it wouldn't interfere with the marathon?
Heck, even hold it INDOORS....at the Armory!!
(Be the first results of the 2012-13 indoor "season"!!!)

Anyway, Wittenburg's decision seems dumb to me!!
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:29 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
guru wrote:At least in the hotel quoted(and I'm sure there are others), they are turning away evacuees due to marathon reservations. No marathon, those rooms would be available for the needy.

IMO, eveicting runners, most of whom have flown in from out of town and would have no place to go until their scheduled return flight leaves, would be just as bad as evicting evacuees.



Not a problem had the marathon been cancelled.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby tandfman » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:32 am

guru wrote:
tandfman wrote:
guru wrote:I'm not impressed by the $1 million donation . . .

The $1 million is just the beginning. The Rudin family has added $1.1 million to that pot and one of the race's sponsors put up another $500,000. In addition, the NYRR is soliciting donations from their members.

http://www.nyrr.org/newsroom/nyrr-news- ... athon-fund

Anything other than what the NYRR is donating out of the entry fees they've collected is beside the point.

Not really. They are generating this revenue for the relief effort one way or another. The dollars that the NYRR raised from sponsors and will raise from their members represent revenue that the relief funds would not have had if they had simply cancelled the race.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:36 am

tandfman wrote:
guru wrote:
tandfman wrote:
guru wrote:I'm not impressed by the $1 million donation . . .

The $1 million is just the beginning. The Rudin family has added $1.1 million to that pot and one of the race's sponsors put up another $500,000. In addition, the NYRR is soliciting donations from their members.

http://www.nyrr.org/newsroom/nyrr-news- ... athon-fund

Anything other than what the NYRR is donating out of the entry fees they've collected is beside the point.

Not really. They are generating this revenue for the relief effort one way or another. The dollars that the NYRR raised from sponsors and will raise from their members represent revenue that the relief funds would not have had if they had simply cancelled the race.



Again, for an organization that is realizing $16 million in income thanks to the mayor's decision to allow the race, $1 million is simply not enough, when so many in the city lost EVERYTHING.

If this were truly about "helping the city", as Wittenberg claims, NYRR would donate ALL entry fees to the relief and recovery efforts. I won't hold my breath...
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:46 am

guru wrote:Again, for an organization that is realizing $16 million in income thanks to the mayor's decision to allow the race, $1 million is simply not enough, when so many in the city lost EVERYTHING.

Do you think the NYRR pockets the whole $16 million? How much money do you think it takes for them to put on this race?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby tandfman » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:47 am

guru, you are looking at one item of revenue, and not at all considering the expense side. Neither you nor I have the slightest idea what the bottom line impact of cancellation would have been on the NYRR. To know that, we'd have to know the terms of all of their contracts (with sponsors, tv, the City, athletes, suppliers, hotels, etc.) as well as the provisions of any applicable insurance policies. I haven't a clue about any of those things and I doubt that you do either.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:48 am

guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:IMO, eveicting runners, most of whom have flown in from out of town and would have no place to go until their scheduled return flight leaves, would be just as bad as evicting evacuees.



Not a problem had the marathon been cancelled.

I suppose if he had cancelled the race last Friday, that would have been early enough to keep most of the runners from boarding planes to New York, but I would imagine that most of them have already checked into their rooms at this point.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:54 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
guru wrote:Again, for an organization that is realizing $16 million in income thanks to the mayor's decision to allow the race, $1 million is simply not enough, when so many in the city lost EVERYTHING.

Do you think the NYRR pockets the whole $16 million? How much money do you think it takes for them to put on this race?



They have alot more revenue than just the entry fees. I dare say the majority comes from sponsors, media contracts, etc.

And had the race been cancelled, and entries refunded / applied to next year, how much of that $16 million would they have?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:58 am

And yes, NYRR has cancellation insurance.

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status ... 0970077184
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:01 am

guru wrote:They have alot more revenue than just the entry fees. I dare say the majority comes from sponsors, media contracts, etc.

And had the race been cancelled, and entries refunded / applied to next year, how much of that $16 million would they have?

You still haven't provided any concrete figures. It's easy to be generous wth other people's money especially when you haven't seen their bank statements.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:05 am

jazzcyclist wrote: It's easy to be generous wth other people's money especially when you haven't seen their bank statements.



How would those bank statements look if the race were cancelled?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby 18.99s » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:18 pm

guru wrote:And yes, NYRR has cancellation insurance.

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status ... 0970077184


If that's true, and the insurance pays for refunding the entrance fees, they're jackasses for not canceling it.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:31 pm

18.99s wrote:
guru wrote:And yes, NYRR has cancellation insurance.

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status ... 0970077184


If that's true, and the insurance pays for refunding the entrance fees, they're jackasses for not canceling it.

I see it differently since all the runners from all over the world and the local businessmen would have still been shit out of luck. If insurance will cover their bottom line, greed can't possibly be their motivating factor for going ahead with the race. Perhaps they're thinking of all those runners and businesses who don't have insurance to cover their losses.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:33 pm

The race should have been cancelled in my opinion. For those who already had flown into the city, they get a vacation out of it.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:18 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:If insurance will cover their bottom line, greed can't possibly be their motivating factor for going ahead with the race.



My guess is insurance only covers expenses, not refunded entry fees
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:20 pm

Media reports in New York saying marathon will not be held

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NY ... 19721.html
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby doug5321 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:20 pm

my sources say it is now cancelled.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:23 pm

NY Post says city officials meeting to discuss tonight.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby bambam » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:25 pm

Just got a tweet from NY Times writer that it is cancelled.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:25 pm

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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:26 pm

<<We have decided to cancel the NYC marathon. The New York Road Runners will have additional information in days ahead for participants. >>
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:31 pm

Via MSNBC-

"We would not want a cloud to hang over the race or its participants, and so we have decided to cancel it," New York Mayor Bloomberg says in statement.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:00 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:....
I see it differently since all the runners from all over the world and the local businessmen would have still been shit out of luck. If insurance will cover their bottom line, greed can't possibly be their motivating factor for going ahead with the race....


Partially greed, and largely (IMHO) the swagger factor. Bloomberg in a pissing match with the rest of the world (even if the rest of the world isn't playing) to show that New Yorkers are the toughest and can stand up in any kind of adversity.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:49 pm

so should the NFL game go on as planned on Sunday? I lean towards yes, its actually being in Jersey, although if it puts a stress on mass transit systems.....
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