World youth 100m best broken


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World youth 100m best broken

Postby Jon » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:23 am

...by a Japanese athlete!

Last weekend at the Kokutai Games Yoshihide Kiryu ran 10.21 (0.1m/s) to break Rynell Parson's world youth 100m best of 10.23 from 2007. It's also a world age-16 best. He's got very little prior form though. According to Tilastopaja, his only other previous competition was at last year's Kokutai Games where he ran 10.58.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby aaronk » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:19 am

He'll have to improve by 0.12 to tie, and by 0.13 to break the age-17 record for the 100.
It's 10.09.
Do you know his exact birthdate??
Also, has he run a 200??
The age-17 record for the 200 is by one Usain Bolt, time of 19.93!!
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby Marlow » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:51 am

Jon wrote:Yoshihide Kiryu ran 10.21 (0.1m/s). . . world age-16 best. . . . previous competition was last year 10.58.

I can see a 10.21 at 16 if he ran 10.58 at 15!!!
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby Blues » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:20 am

According to the IAAF website, Kiryu's birthdate is Dec. 15th, 1995, so he'll be competing with the Juniors, rather than Youth, in future outdoor competitions since he'll turn 18 in 2013.. Here's a link to his race video.. It doesn't appear to be pirating since it seems to be someone's personal video from youtube..

http://youtu.be/lr_KsCnmEm8
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby preston » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:42 am

I didn't see anyone in that field who looks like they were of West African descent!! Not ONE!!!! Or anyone who looks like they had eaten Jamaican yams! Or grown up in abject poverty and were just "hungrier". And where were the requisite muscles from an unknown, uncorroborated national drug program where they don't test their athletes because they don't have an ADA that can be sanctioned not by WADA but by the opinions of the internet? And, how about that wind meter? 0.1?! Come on! I'm sure there was SOMEONE who was trackside who could feel a strong breeze. This is obviously the IAAF and IOC's fault: when are they gonna go to universal time verifications. It's a travesty that this will be allowed to stand. Are these not the requirements often cited by people who like to think they know where performances come from, how, and by whom? I mean, a skinny Japanese guy with the two-foot together start ran 10.21 before his 17th birthday when no Jamaicans or Americans could do it? Surely this is an internet video that's been doctored. Why is there not more outrage? Probably because Nike conspired with USATF because Mizuno and Asics have a bigger share of the Japanese Market and USATF will do anything to ruin USA track.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby user4 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:59 am

preston wrote:I didn't see anyone in that field


Well, to my credit,l I could follow you up to there.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby Marlow » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:51 pm

user4 wrote:
preston wrote:I didn't see anyone in that field

Well, to my credit,l I could follow you up to there.

Satire does that sometimes.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby user4 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:31 pm

Marlow wrote:
user4 wrote:
preston wrote:I didn't see anyone in that field

Well, to my credit,l I could follow you up to there.

Satire does that sometimes.


I should have added that I was impressed not only with the winner but with the depth of the field with 6 guys under 10.7.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby preston » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:13 am

user4 wrote:
preston wrote:I didn't see anyone in that field


Well, to my credit,l I could follow you up to there.

You're patting yourself on the back for jumping to conclusions? And then trying to dress it up with another self-congratulatory nod to "field impressiveness" (which is not that impressive for Japan...it more closely hews to the norm for the last decade)? Well, I'm gonna pat you on the back for seemingly outsmarting yourself. Take a bow.

In 2011 when he registered the 10.58 that Jon notes, there were the following Japanese youth sprinters who ran faster (he was the youngest of them all, Yonhara is windy and 3 days older)

10.39 1.5 Kazuma Oseto JPN 05/08/1994 1 Kitakyushu 14/05/2011
10.46 -0.6 Kazuma Oseto 2 Miyazaki 20/08/2011
10.47 1.9 Kazuya Tsukamoto JPN 23/01/1994 1sf3 Nara 04/05/2011
10.47 -1.5 Kazuya Tsukamoto 1 Nara 04/05/2011
10.47 0.4 Tatsuro Suwa JPN 17/08/1994 1h3 U19 Yamaguchi 07/10/2011
10.51 0.7 Akiyuki Hashimoto JPN 18/11/1994 2r1 Kitakyushu 03/11/2011
10.58 0.4 Kazuki Kanamori JPN 18/07/1994 2sf3 U19 Yamaguchi 07/10/2011
10.58 -0.2 Yoshihide Kiryu JPN 15/12/1995 1 U17 Yamaguchi 08/10/2011

Wind assisted

10.41 2.2 Akiyuki Hashimoto JPN 18/11/1994 1h4 Kagoshima 17/06/2011
10.47 3.5 Nariyoshi Sanuki JPN 07/11/1994 1 Kitakami 01/10/2011
10.48 3.0 Kazuki Kanamori JPN 18/07/1994 1 Izumo 17/07/2011
10.55 3.4 Hayato Suda JPN 23/10/1994 1 Odawara 15/05/2011
10.57 2.4 Takumi Tsuchiya JPN 15/10/1994 1r2 Utsunomiya 18/09/2011
10.58 4.6 Ryoki Yonhara JPN 11/12/1995 2 Okinawa 03/09/2011

That's 10 youth sprinters under 10.60 in all conditions! A number only surpassed by the United States. Thank heavens for Japan as it seems to be the only country outside of the North America that hasn't abandoned sprinting by relying on the usual excuses noted in my satirical previous post. Until and unless the rest of the world, namely Europe - but we can add the rest of Asia as well, commits to developing sprinters, the world championships and the sport will ultimately go the way of World Cross Country.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby Marlow » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:29 am

preston wrote:You're patting yourself on the back for jumping to conclusions? And then trying to dress it up with another self-congratulatory nod to "field impressiveness" (which is not that impressive for Japan...it more closely hews to the norm for the last decade)? Well, I'm gonna pat you on the back for seemingly outsmarting yourself. Take a bow.

Thank heavens for Japan as it seems to be the only country outside of the North America that hasn't abandoned sprinting by relying on the usual excuses noted in my satirical previous post.

Then I guess you need to pat yourself on the back for your dismissive generalization. If Japan IS meeting your expectations, why aren't these non-NA sprinter/(presumably)nations?

2012
10.02 Dwain Chambers GBR
10.02 Jimmy Vicaut FRA
10.04 Christophe Lemaitre FRA
10.05 Adam Gemili GBR
10.06 Simon Magakwe RSA
10.06 Ben Youssef Meité CIV
10.09 Julian Reus GER
10.10 Aziz Ouhadi MAR
10.10 Jeffery Demps USA
10.11 Obinna Metu NGR
10.11 Gerald Phiri ZAM
10.13 Jaysuma Saidy Ndure NOR
10.13 James Dasaolu GBR
10.15 Rytis Sakalauskas LTU
10.17 Ángel David Rodríguez ESP
10.18 Suwaibou Sanneh GAM
10.19 Marek Niit EST
10.19 Aleksandr Brednev RUS
10.19 Ogho-Oghene Egwero NGR
10.19 Bingtian Su CHN

Please lighten up on the pomposity. I don't mind you taking me to task, but you discourage others from even offering their views.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby preston » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:46 am

Marlow, you must need someone to play with... My post was not pompous; educational maybe, but not pompous - but the other posters... Anyway, stop trying to cause trouble with your usual intention mangling, word-slicing interpretation of semantics. And, if my reply discourages future posts than it would be a lesson well learned for the poster: Stop trying to be cute.

Second, as usual, you go off the tracks by conflating what you want to debate with what is being discussed. Please show me the YOUTH results for all of those countries that you named with as many entries as Japan. Show me where the other countries have shown the consistency over the last decade as Japan. Go ahead, you've grabbed enough cherries in that last post for a bushel, now you only have to find their corresponding teammates in the numbers of Japan to prove your point.

You won't, you can't, you're wrong. I'm holding my breath until you apologize. :wink:
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby Marlow » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:53 am

preston wrote: if my reply discourages future posts than it would be a lesson well learned for the poster: Stop trying to be cute.

Oh . . . I see . . . you're the Cute Police!! My bad. (there's my apology!!)

[I already feel gh's hot breath on my neck, so Peace, Out!!) :D
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby user4 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:10 pm

preston wrote:...
That's 10 youth sprinters under 10.60 in all conditions! A number only surpassed by the United States. Thank heavens for Japan as it seems to be the only country outside of the North America that hasn't abandoned sprinting by relying on the usual excuses noted in my satirical previous post. Until and unless the rest of the world, namely Europe - but we can add the rest of Asia as well, commits to developing sprinters, the world championships and the sport will ultimately go the way of World Cross Country.


Ok, I finally get what you are trying say, with the satire filtered, If I can paraphrase, you are happy that Japan is developing sprinters. I would agree with that, but who wouldnt. Could it be that Japan is not really making any national effort to "develop" sprinters but simply that the country has reasonable accommodations for those that want to train as sprinters.
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Re: World youth 100m best broken

Postby preston » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:06 pm

user4 wrote:...Could it be that Japan is not really making any national effort to "develop" sprinters but simply that the country has reasonable accommodations for those that want to train as sprinters.

China, India, United States, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Russia all have bigger populations than Japan and Mexico is about the same size as Japan. NONE of those other countries -aside from the United States- produce sprinters in near the numbers that Japan does. I have to assume that it is deliberate; that they have fast runners because they are making a conscious effort to have fast runners - without making the usual excuses. When you factor in other events you find that Japan has great long distance, extremely few field events and lot's of depth under 800m in mens athletics - thats nearly unheard of...I have to assume that they are making a national effort. Why would they not have middle distance runners?

Also, reasonable accomodations for those who want to train as sprinters? Hmmm...that's a good point. But the only "reasonable accomodation", that I believe is present in countries that develop sprinters consistently, is that they have coaches, who believe that their athletes can run fast. Japan has this, and most European countries outside of GBR and FRA don't - especially, if those European countries don't have a history of athletes of African descent. I forget the name of the Japanese coach who is convinced that you must train "yellow sprinters" differently than "black sprinters" but though it seems crazy, but how can you argue with the Japanese results. Even their starts are different. Again, Japan has probably qualified more athletes on the A-standard in the sprints in the last 10 years than any other country not named USA or JAM. And, when you consider the results of the Japanese youth and junior athletes you have to give credit to Japanese coaching.

Are you saying that none of the other countries the size of Japan, or bigger, don't have the "reasonable accomodations"?
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