T&F Athletes To Unionize


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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:11 am

I thought this was more about the advertising on uniforms. I think it is going to be a loser if the athletes are going to be telling the promoters who is competing.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby lonewolf » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:39 am

Conor Dary wrote:I thought this is was more about the advertising on uniforms. I think it is going to be a loser if the athletes are going to be telling the promoters who is competing.

Concur.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby toyracer » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:46 am

vip wrote:I'm all for athletes getting what they can and while they can get it. But I don't understand why they're trying to get the public behind their cause. What exactly is in it for us? I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but will SRR and Symmonds join me in my next fight to get a raise?


It is easy to understand why.

What good is a NFL player's strike if the public isn't behind the players?

How much sympathy did the NFL-watching public have for the regular officials before the season started? Right now support is on the rise for the regular officials, but only because the substitutes have been making too many mistakes in too many games. If the substitute officials get their level up to the regular standard and make less mistakes then support will fade for the regulars, and their voice will be weaker when they negotiate.

The same applies here. If there is no public support at all for an athletes association then it doesn't have much bite with its bark. Without any public support it is dead in the water.

That's why they are trying to get the public behind their cause.

What's in it for you? Hard to answer that. But then again, can't you support a position or principle without being a direct beneficiary?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby guru » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:16 am

Conor Dary wrote: I think it is going to be a loser if the athletes are going to be telling the promoters who is competing.



Khadevis Robinson, current president of the TFAA, made it clear that is not what they're about.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby MJR » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:38 am

This is 100% about the athletes being able to control their own branding and financial decisions. Right now, the IOC and IAAF have an unbalanced level of control over what an athlete can do to earn a living as a professional because those groups still are designed to lord over an amateur sports world. They haven't changed with the times. The athletes are now trying to force that change and get a seat at the table for all discussions that directly affect their branding rights and earning power. This isn't about hand-outs, its about the right of self-determination, which has been denied to them. If the TFAA can come to the table as a unified voice across the sport, they'l be able affect positive change to benefit every athlete and the sport will get an influx of financial & spectator interest as a result. The only thing stopping it now is the continued head in the sand mindset of the "leaders" in charge of the alphabet groups.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby fortyacresandamule » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:30 am

Good move. I support this movement 100%. It's about damn time.To those who said It can't work or its nonsensical, well, I am old enough to hear people lament the say cry over various issues they thought would be impossible to come to fruition, only for them to eat their words later on. I am an eternal optimist.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby j-a-m » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:44 am

MJR wrote:This is 100% about the athletes being able to control their own branding and financial decisions. Right now, the IOC and IAAF have an unbalanced level of control over what an athlete can do to earn a living as a professional because those groups still are designed to lord over an amateur sports world. They haven't changed with the times. The athletes are now trying to force that change and get a seat at the table for all discussions that directly affect their branding rights and earning power. This isn't about hand-outs, its about the right of self-determination, which has been denied to them.

If that's all it's about, then I'm all for it.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby GDAWG » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:02 am

I think this is good for track and field. They want with the IOC what the basketball players have (control of their own financial decisions and branding). They see that the basketball players (well, the men anyways, not sure about the women) not have to struggle to put food on the table for their families or work 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet.

The main disadvantage that TFAA doesn't have though is leverage. Basketball can say "we'll withdraw our pros and go with amateurs at the next Olympics." Tennis can do the same by saying "we'll withdraw our top athletes" and go with either amateurs and/or lower ranked pros. With tennis and basketball being the two Olympic sports with the highest paid athletes, they have the leverage that Track and Field does not have.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:04 am

j-a-m wrote:
Pego wrote:People of the same profession formed associations since the time immemorial. It used to be called guild, now it is called unions.

And since time immemorial the main purpose of guilds/unions has been to discriminate against outsiders/competitors.


No, the main purpose is to improve the conditions for those in the group. If the outside forces are small and 'scattered', then if demand is high enough, exclusion is a key mechanism. However, few unions actively work to limit the number in the group.

There are a lot of other incentives for the group to do things like increase the quality of the group or help to assure it when the 'customers' (in some broad sense) cannot readily assess the quality of the service. It has to do with the value of reputation, which tends to be good for both those in the group and customers at large.

I only have one paper in this area and it is rather tangential but this area is a lot more subtle than the 'main purpose' claim.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby vip » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:19 am

Hey Toyracer, re-read my first sentence before you post. I'll write it again: I'm all for athletes getting as much as they can, while they can get it.

That sounds like support for their cause.

What I just don't understand is why the athletes are taking their plea to the public. What exactly are we going to do? Threaten not to watch meets on TV or buy tickets? Say "pretty, pretty please" to the IOC and meet directors?

We are powerless, and unless the athletes are ready to take drastic measures -- skip the worlds or the Olympics or whatever -- they don't have the hammer in this fight. Their cause seems more like begging.

I'll repeat myself, Toyracer: I'm all for athletes getting as much as they can, while they can get it.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gh » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:30 am

GDAWG wrote:I think this is good for track and field. They want with the IOC what the basketball players have (control of their own financial decisions and branding). They see that the basketball players (well, the men anyways, not sure about the women) not have to struggle to put food on the table for their families or work 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet.....


Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.

It's a very broad pyramid, and every step you go down the line adds a lot of bodies to the queue, and a finite amount of money can't be divide an infinite number of ways (although I do wholeheartedly agree that the alpha-soup suits could/should do more to pass some of the gravy along).

But at what point is somebody truly getting screwed by the system and at what point is it just somebody dreaming unrealistic dreams?

I mean, I want to write 2-3 columns a week and live in the lap of luxury. But guess what? I don't write that well, so I work 80-100 hours a week keeping my business alive. At some point in your life there has to be a reality check.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:32 am

MJR wrote:This is 100% about the athletes being able to control their own branding and financial decisions. Right now, the IOC and IAAF have an unbalanced level of control over what an athlete can do to earn a living as a professional because those groups still are designed to lord over an amateur sports world. They haven't changed with the times. The athletes are now trying to force that change and get a seat at the table for all discussions that directly affect their branding rights and earning power. This isn't about hand-outs, its about the right of self-determination, which has been denied to them. If the TFAA can come to the table as a unified voice across the sport, they'l be able affect positive change to benefit every athlete and the sport will get an influx of financial & spectator interest as a result. The only thing stopping it now is the continued head in the sand mindset of the "leaders" in charge of the alphabet groups.


Will they strike when their demands aren't met? How do you see this working?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby 18.99s » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:40 am

gh wrote:Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.


How many deserve to make a good living in the sport? As many as can find enough sponsors willing to pay them a good living, if the IAAF and IOC didn't put legalistic and bureaucratic barriers between the athletes and their (potential) sponsors.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:57 am

gh wrote:

But at what point is somebody truly getting screwed by the system and at what point is it just somebody dreaming unrealistic dreams?


Forgetting about the Olympics and fighting the IOC, which I think is rather hopeless, it is a very good question on the track scene. It doesn't seem to me that there is a boat load of money out there that already isn't available.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gh » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:13 pm

18.99s wrote:
gh wrote:Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.


How many deserve to make a good living in the sport? As many as can find enough sponsors willing to pay them a good living, if the IAAF and IOC didn't put legalistic and bureaucratic barriers between the athletes and their (potential) sponsors.


I really-really-really hope I'm proved wrong, but my sad take is that just about everybody who is truly "marketable" is already making that kind of money.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby j-a-m » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:33 pm

gh wrote:finite amount of money

Looking at the big picture, I don't think there's just a finite amount of money; instead there are plenty of opportunities to grow.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby j-a-m » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:42 pm

gh wrote:Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.

It's not about deserving to make a good living, but rather about deserving the opportunity to make a good living. And removing bureaucratic restrictions would give athletes better opportunities to do just that.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby GDAWG » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:39 pm

The state of Track and Field right now is the reason that Jeff Demps jumped ship back to football. Marquise Goodwin could do the same. If Goodwin was to play in the NFL a year from now, the least amount of money he could make is $405,000, which is the rookie minimum for 2013. Demps will make $390,000 this year alone as an "injured" player (I don't think he's seriously inured. I think he was stashed on injured reserve for the rest of the year because the Pats did not want to lose him).

If both become superstars in the NFL, chances are extremely high that they make millions (and not just on the field either), which they would have not seen had they chosen track. Goodwin is still in college now, but he's likely to make a decision within the next year or so. Will the failure of London motivate him for Rio? Or will the lure of NFL money be too much for him to turn down?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:46 pm

GDAWG wrote:The state of Track and Field right now is the reason that Jeff Demps jumped ship back to football. Marquise Goodwin could do the same. If Goodwin was to play in the NFL a year from now, the least amount of money he could make is $405,000, which is the rookie minimum for 2013. Demps will make $390,000 this year alone as an "injured" player (I don't think he's seriously inured. I think he was stashed on injured reserve for the rest of the year because the Pats did not want to lose him).

If both become superstars in the NFL, chances are extremely high that they make millions (and not just on the field either), which they would have not seen had they chosen track. Goodwin is still in college now, but he's likely to make a decision within the next year or so. Will the failure of London motivate him for Rio? Or will the lure of NFL money be too much for him to turn down?


Is it a problem that Robert Griffin III can't put a Subway logo on his Redskins uniform (which, fi he could, would net him more dollars, right?)?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby GDAWG » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:01 pm

Ned Ryerson wrote:
GDAWG wrote:The state of Track and Field right now is the reason that Jeff Demps jumped ship back to football. Marquise Goodwin could do the same. If Goodwin was to play in the NFL a year from now, the least amount of money he could make is $405,000, which is the rookie minimum for 2013. Demps will make $390,000 this year alone as an "injured" player (I don't think he's seriously inured. I think he was stashed on injured reserve for the rest of the year because the Pats did not want to lose him).

If both become superstars in the NFL, chances are extremely high that they make millions (and not just on the field either), which they would have not seen had they chosen track. Goodwin is still in college now, but he's likely to make a decision within the next year or so. Will the failure of London motivate him for Rio? Or will the lure of NFL money be too much for him to turn down?


Is it a problem that Robert Griffin III can't put a Subway logo on his Redskins uniform (which, fi he could, would net him more dollars, right?)?


I don't think he cares since he's making millions based off his rookie contract. The NFL allows their players to do commercials, but they cannot have the logos on the uniforms.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby MJR » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:14 pm

gh wrote:
18.99s wrote:
gh wrote:Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.


How many deserve to make a good living in the sport? As many as can find enough sponsors willing to pay them a good living, if the IAAF and IOC didn't put legalistic and bureaucratic barriers between the athletes and their (potential) sponsors.


I really-really-really hope I'm proved wrong, but my sad take is that just about everybody who is truly "marketable" is already making that kind of money.


GH- You're thinking Marketing in the in the Macroeconomics sense, not marketing in the microeconomics sense. This will not make T&F a big sport, but it will allow the industrious athletes & clubs the ability to fund themselves from local sources and have a greater ability to give back to those sponsors in exchange for funding. Its not about butting heads with meet directors, but making connections with regional companies that may treat the athlete with enough celebrity to fund their training in exchange for PR work, etc.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Dave » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:39 pm

The main problem is that there are not enough events that draw enough people to make much of this sport economically viable. Athletes are paid by shoe companies for the most part rather than from the contracts associated with competitive events.

There simply is not enough money in the sport so that anyone who is not an Olympic finals caliber athlete, if even that, can make a good living.

I remember being at a Prefontaine classic the first time and wondering how all of these athletes were going to get paid for being there. It wasn't going to be a lot and it wasn't all coming from ticket sales.

I wish them luck in their efforts, but I don't see the money coming in so that many will make a real living here.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gh » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:14 pm

MJR wrote:....

GH- You're thinking Marketing in the in the Macroeconomics sense, not marketing in the microeconomics sense. This will not make T&F a big sport, but it will allow the industrious athletes & clubs the ability to fund themselves from local sources and have a greater ability to give back to those sponsors in exchange for funding. Its not about butting heads with meet directors, but making connections with regional companies that may treat the athlete with enough celebrity to fund their training in exchange for PR work, etc.


Sorry, color me a cynic, but looking at the TFAA roster and the big-namers who are signing on, I can't imagine any of them thinking about the sport at the club level. Nor do I think that "funding at the local level" is remotely on the agenda. This remains, I fear, about the big/almost-big names being able to increase their earnings, not some grand social plan by which every hopeful gets a piece of some perhaps-not-there pie. This is the problem I have with the whole concept.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Marlow » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:41 pm

gh wrote:not some grand social plan by which every hopeful gets a piece of some perhaps-not-there pie.

And there's the deal-breaker. What good is a union if 'collective bargaining' is over a pittance? The IOC is the only one raking in real coinage and they're going to be immune to a union, cuz they just won't care. Perhaps a union will get a few more shekels out of USATF and the IAAF, but there's no trickle-down effect to be had, cuz it'll be all dried up by the time it gets to the 'hopefuls'. The 'logo issue' is all they can accomplish at this stage, and while I hope that has some positive economic impact of the wannabes, I still don't see enough to live on.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby ExCoastRanger » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:24 pm

MJR wrote:...GH- You're thinking Marketing in the in the Macroeconomics sense, not marketing in the microeconomics sense. This will not make T&F a big sport, but it will allow the industrious athletes & clubs the ability to fund themselves from local sources and have a greater ability to give back to those sponsors in exchange for funding. Its not about butting heads with meet directors, but making connections with regional companies that may treat the athlete with enough celebrity to fund their training in exchange for PR work, etc.


I really think this is what it's all about.
Certainly most athletes have as good an idea as anybody else about how big the "pie" is and how many ways it can be sliced. If they are allowed more freedom to market themselves they will be less dependent on meet directors, global sponsors, shoe company contracts, etc. And the result may be they bring more sponsors into the sport, which seems like it could only be a good thing.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby ExCoastRanger » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:45 pm

gh wrote:...This remains, I fear, about the big/almost-big names being able to increase their earnings....


Big names should be able to increase earnings. So should everybody else. It's all relative. Focus just on the logo issue for a second. If, say, Bolt were permitted to brandish the BMW logo on his kit in exchange for $1 million and several others for several hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, that could make a big difference in his income.
Likewise for a second- or third-tier sprinter who might be able to cobble together even a few thousand dollars worth of sponsorship from his local Ford dealer and a regional bank, insurance company or nutrition provider.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby toyracer » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:46 pm

vip wrote:What I just don't understand is why the athletes are taking their plea to the public. What exactly are we going to do? Threaten not to watch meets on TV or buy tickets? Say "pretty, pretty please" to the IOC and meet directors?

We are powerless, and unless the athletes are ready to take drastic measures -- skip the worlds or the Olympics or whatever -- they don't have the hammer in this fight. Their cause seems more like begging.


We're not powerless. Fans have a voice too. And the more fans that support a position, the louder their voices are heard.

Again I'll go back to my example using the substitute officials in the NFL: when it's the fans that are making the loudest noises for change the powers-that-be definitely listen. The balance of power shifts whenever the public has its interest on a particular side.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby vip » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:53 pm

Fans have a voice but I would be completely shocked if they used it to "pressure" the powers that be, in this instance. So that argument is flat.

As for the NFL and the replacement refs, fans want football so bad that they'll watch regardless, and therefore the NFL is under no financial pressure to cave to the regular refs.

Again: Fans have nothing to do with this battle, if that's what you wan to call it, between the athletes and the IOC. That's between them.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby lonewolf » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:07 pm

I have no problem with athletes sporting logos to earn sponsor money.

The problem with a union/guild is there must be a demand for your product/service and some definition of who/whom/what you are trying to influence. I don't see either.

I don't know how much the super stars or"journeymen" earn but my intuition is there is simply not enough money available to afford a comfortable living standard for the number of track and field athletes required to fill the lists of multiple meets with quality competition.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Spickard » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:34 pm

gh wrote:
18.99s wrote:
gh wrote:Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.


How many deserve to make a good living in the sport? As many as can find enough sponsors willing to pay them a good living, if the IAAF and IOC didn't put legalistic and bureaucratic barriers between the athletes and their (potential) sponsors.


I really-really-really hope I'm proved wrong, but my sad take is that just about everybody who is truly "marketable" is already making that kind of money.


And my sad take on your sad take is that for selfish and unethical reasons, the powers that be simply don't want the athletes to ever eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil here. It will not kill a supposedly dying sport to find out! It doesn't sit right with me to be told 100 reasons why athletes should be kept from eking out a living chasing a dream when that very same dream is the sustenance of the sport. Then to have those same athletes labelled as selfish slaves to paymasters for even bringing it up?

I have no idea whether this will work, but I'll fall on the side of optimism for the sport I cherish rather than dark clouds. We've had enough of that!
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby EPelle » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:03 am

Ukrainian athletes demand change of federation leadership due to poor conditions for Olympic team preparation
http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/press-conference/116725/
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby lionelp1 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:32 am

gh wrote:
GDAWG wrote:I think this is good for track and field. They want with the IOC what the basketball players have (control of their own financial decisions and branding). They see that the basketball players (well, the men anyways, not sure about the women) not have to struggle to put food on the table for their families or work 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet.....


Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.

It's a very broad pyramid, and every step you go down the line adds a lot of bodies to the queue, and a finite amount of money can't be divide an infinite number of ways (although I do wholeheartedly agree that the alpha-soup suits could/should do more to pass some of the gravy along).

But at what point is somebody truly getting screwed by the system and at what point is it just somebody dreaming unrealistic dreams?

I mean, I want to write 2-3 columns a week and live in the lap of luxury. But guess what? I don't write that well, so I work 80-100 hours a week keeping my business alive. At some point in your life there has to be a reality check.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby j-a-m » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:09 am

MJR wrote: it will allow the industrious athletes & clubs the ability to fund themselves from local sources and have a greater ability to give back to those sponsors in exchange for funding. Its not about butting heads with meet directors, but making connections with regional companies that may treat the athlete with enough celebrity to fund their training in exchange for PR work, etc.

Exactly. Even though most people don't follow t&f on a regular basis, the sport is still popular enough to make this good business for local sponsors. And for many athletes it can make a huge difference.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby lionelp1 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:13 am

lionelp1 wrote:
gh wrote:
GDAWG wrote:I think this is good for track and field. They want with the IOC what the basketball players have (control of their own financial decisions and branding). They see that the basketball players (well, the men anyways, not sure about the women) not have to struggle to put food on the table for their families or work 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet.....


Now let me ask the really tough question: how many people "deserve" to make a good living from track & field? Versus people who want to make a good living.

It's a very broad pyramid, and every step you go down the line adds a lot of bodies to the queue, and a finite amount of money can't be divide an infinite number of ways (although I do wholeheartedly agree that the alpha-soup suits could/should do more to pass some of the gravy along).

But at what point is somebody truly getting screwed by the system and at what point is it just somebody dreaming unrealistic dreams?

I mean, I want to write 2-3 columns a week and live in the lap of luxury. But guess what? I don't write that well, so I work 80-100 hours a week keeping my business alive. At some point in your life there has to be a reality check.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby j-a-m » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:15 am

ExCoastRanger wrote:If they are allowed more freedom to market themselves they will be less dependent on meet directors, global sponsors, shoe company contracts, etc. And the result may be they bring more sponsors into the sport, which seems like it could only be a good thing.

Exactly; and additional sponsors, on top of bringing more money into the sport, also bring more exposure.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby lionelp1 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:21 am

I responded to gh's posts, with which I largely agree, and the message would not allow my words as the characters were over 3000 long.
Suffice to say that I think the movement to unionise will fail , irrelevant to the health of our sport and lord knows why sponsors would be interested in doling out cash to athletes unless they benefit significantly, in a less popular sport that competes 3/4 months a year in most parts of the world.

If the average run of the mill athlete finds he does not get rewarded he/ she can always do something else, but they compete because they have various levels of ability and they enjoy the sport, I suppose.

Track and Field is not Tennis, Golf, Motor Racing or National pro ball sports and will never attract the same interest, or money.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby mal » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:33 am

This is not a union thing. Its an Olympic games rule thing.

They may need someone to negotiate that possible change, but a union will lead to nothing of great value.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby ExCoastRanger » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:24 am

lonewolf wrote:I have no problem with athletes sporting logos to earn sponsor money.

The problem with a union/guild is there must be a demand for your product/service and some definition of who/whom/what you are trying to influence. I don't see either.

I don't know how much the super stars or"journeymen" earn but my intuition is there is simply not enough money available to afford a comfortable living standard for the number of track and field athletes required to fill the lists of multiple meets with quality competition.


But let the athletes try to bring in their own sponsors and money into the sport and see what happens. There are plenty out there who would take, and may be able to earn, enough to at least survive in the sport longer if not achieve that comfortable living standard.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby j-a-m » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:31 am

ExCoastRanger wrote:But let the athletes try to bring in their own sponsors and money into the sport and see what happens. There are plenty out there who would take, and may be able to earn, enough to at least survive in the sport longer if not achieve that comfortable living standard.

Agreed. And what is a "comfortable living standard" anyway? A better benchmark would probably be to "make enough money to be able to follow their passion for a few more years".
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby guru » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:36 am

ExCoastRanger wrote:But let the athletes try to bring in their own sponsors and money into the sport and see what happens. There are plenty out there who would take, and may be able to earn, enough to at least survive in the sport longer if not achieve that comfortable living standard.



Exactly. Let the market decide what each athlete can earn, not the restrictive policies of the "governing" body.

And if the IAAF/IOC doesn't want to change things for fear of upsetting exclusive sponsors, then it's time for them to start passing the hundreds of millions of dollars they bring in down to the athletes, perhaps in the form of salaries.
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