T&F Athletes To Unionize


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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby mump boy » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:05 am

gh wrote:
mump boy wrote:
guru wrote:Excellent editorial regarding the path forward

http://www.writingaboutrunning.com/2012 ... field.html


If No2 is something they want to strike about i'll join them on the picket line


If No. 2 is high on the agenda, count me out. Track is struggling to make it and you want to make drugs (the subject that has most damned us) a big talking point? We have met the enemy, and he is us. Holy shit.


I ALWAYS want to make better testing a talking point and so should every fan. Or do you think the ridiculous sight of some of the OG winners is a better advert for the sport ?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gh » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:15 am

Is there any parade you can't rain on?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby 18.99s » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:53 am

decafan wrote:4. Force the IOC's hand for the 2016 Olympics? Here is where the writer jumped the shark. I pray this will never happen. The Olympics are about nations competing against each other. I have no problem keeping the USA on the singlet and keeping McDonald's off of it.

They're not worried about logo restrictions on their competition uniforms. Their problem is with the restrictions against sponsorship outside Olympic venues during the Olympics. They can't even thank their sponsors on Facebook or Twitter during that time frame.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby GDAWG » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:34 am

26mi235 wrote:
GDAWG wrote:....


The Europeans are less labor and union oriented than the US??????????????????????????????? :cry:


I have no clue.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:51 am

decafan wrote:

I didn't find this editorial great at all.


Yes, I agree. Everyone in a union? And if you don't want to be in one? And stronger testing? Yes, more positives! That is always great for the sport. And forcing the IOC's hand? What dreamland is this dude in?

And replicating OTC elsewhere? About as easy as franchising Hayward Fields all over the country. UCTC, among other clubs, were big....like 40 years ago....I guess he missed the fact that Oregon is track nuts and Phil Knight lives nearby.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gh » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:23 pm

gibson wrote:does anyone have a name list of the top 10 promoters in track and field?


bump.... as asked earlier, but never answered, exactly what are you asking for here? "Top" by what metric?
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gibson » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:35 am

gh wrote:
gibson wrote:does anyone have a name list of the top 10 promoters in track and field?


bump.... as asked earlier, but never answered, exactly what are you asking for here? "Top" by what metric?



let the metric be guesstimated cash generated per promo dude.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby gh » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:07 pm

If "cash-generated" means profit, then it's probably very close to a multi-way tie at zero. These meets don't exist as revenue sources. The more revenue they have the more they spend.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:32 pm

Track meets need some sort of jogathon to get the big bucks. Having just top class athletes is not where the money is.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby tandfman » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:46 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Track meets need some sort of jogathon to get the big bucks. Having just top class athletes is not where the money is.

But jogathons are not track meets. You might as well say they need some sort of fast food hamburger operation or a Toyota dealership to get the big bucks.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby rsb2 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:57 pm

The somewhat demeaning term jog-a-thon may be indicative of one of our problems. Instead of accepting and working with the local road-running communities, some look down on the road-runs and lose the chance to see them as important partners in the bigger picture of our sport.
Many of our larger road-races are not only paying good money to our elite athletes as appearance and/or prize money, but are often major supporters of elite track meets, which of course are also paying out $$$ to our best runners. Not to mention providing the public exposure that brings big money sponsors to the table, not only for the events, but also directly to the athletes.
In the bigger picture of trying to professionalize our sport, I think the road runs are a critical component towards a better funding picture for our athletes. Yes, of course I realize that the direct money goes to the distance runners, but a solid business model could also include funding of clubs, centres, meets, etc., and this is already happening in some places. As has been noted, this is where the real money in our sport is. For instance, I just read that the Vancouver Marathon, reasonably sized but not huge as big city Marathons go, brings an economic impact of 37 million dollars to the Vancouver area !
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:19 pm

tandfman wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Track meets need some sort of jogathon to get the big bucks. Having just top class athletes is not where the money is.

But jogathons are not track meets. You might as well say they need some sort of fast food hamburger operation or a Toyota dealership to get the big bucks.


Oh, dear. I should have put a smiley. With the Chicago Marathon coming up and their 120+ dollar entry fee, plus whatever, and 45,000 entries, I thought it was obvious I was joking.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:21 pm

rsb2 wrote:The somewhat demeaning term jog-a-thon may be indicative of one of our problems. Instead of accepting and working with the local road-running communities, some look down on the road-runs and lose the chance to see them as important partners in the bigger picture of our sport.
Many of our larger road-races are not only paying good money to our elite athletes as appearance and/or prize money, but are often major supporters of elite track meets, which of course are also paying out $$$ to our best runners. Not to mention providing the public exposure that brings big money sponsors to the table, not only for the events, but also directly to the athletes.
In the bigger picture of trying to professionalize our sport, I think the road runs are a critical component towards a better funding picture for our athletes. Yes, of course I realize that the direct money goes to the distance runners, but a solid business model could also include funding of clubs, centres, meets, etc., and this is already happening in some places. As has been noted, this is where the real money in our sport is. For instance, I just read that the Vancouver Marathon, reasonably sized but not huge as big city Marathons go, brings an economic impact of 37 million dollars to the Vancouver area !


All Great, but so what, unless you are a Kenyan. Their relevance to track and field is zero. In fact less than zero, since it is pretty obvious that the East Africans are abandoning distance races on the track for the marathon.

And 99% of the participants have zero interest in the sport.

And what is so demeaning about pointing out the obvious. Marathons these days are something for folks to finish. Or qualify for the Boston Marathon. Which I suspect has more fraud involved, as to qualifying, than anyone cares to admit.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby tandfman » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:58 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
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Conor Dary wrote:Track meets need some sort of jogathon to get the big bucks. Having just top class athletes is not where the money is.

But jogathons are not track meets. You might as well say they need some sort of fast food hamburger operation or a Toyota dealership to get the big bucks.

Oh, dear. I should have put a smiley. With the Chicago Marathon coming up and their 120+ dollar entry fee, plus whatever, and 45,000 entries, I thought it was obvious I was joking.

Sorry. I missed that. I'm delighted to know you were, indeed, joking.
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Re: T&F Athletes To Unionize

Postby bushop » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:45 pm

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