wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković


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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby t_monk » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:40 pm

mump boy wrote:It's a given the AF overall season wasn't better than Jess or Val but

Jen Suhr competed 14 times this year and won 12, the other 2 were NH she won OG Gold and jumped the 2nd best ever indoors (Only 2 other have ever gone higher outdoors)

Sally Pearson won 8/9 and ran 12.35 !! a time only 4 other people have ever run and that hasn't been run since 2000 except by Sally last year

Yelena Lashmanova set a WR at the OG in the 20k walk (what was i doing when this happened because i have no recollection at all)

Sandra Perkovic won 13/14 contest including European and Olympic champs

and how anyone can think Allyson's season was better than these is beyond me !!


I don't think she should have even gotten in the top 3 much less win the whole thing.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:33 pm

Undefeated at her event [I might have missed this a loss, sorry for that failing], did well in other events, including a relay leg that counts for IAAF (apparently - you can quibble about the criteria, but if that is included as counting, then it counts) and did very credibly outside her primary event. The relatively small number of competitions are a result of competing in other events, but she ran six 200s just in the OT/OG duo, so it is not that little, and she looked dominant in those preliminary rounds -- she was dusting everyone in terms of the apparent performance level.

Yes, I do not have her at the top, but to say that she deserves no consideration is to go in the face of even the title of this thread started by someone that is not a primary Felix fan (Tuariki). Again, extreme statement that she does not belong in consideration is absurd. And voicing such an extreme position makes me think that the writer does not have as valuable of an opinion as if they did not write such silliness. That she won the IAAF variant certainly is consistent with the position that she at least belongs in the conversation.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby mump boy » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:09 am

IAAF PR fest is over so i'm now speaking about T&FN where thankfully relays and heats !! should not be taken into consideration
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby eldanielfire » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:40 pm

mump boy wrote:IAAF PR fest is over so i'm now speaking about T&FN where thankfully relays and heats !! should not be taken into consideration


Why shouldn't relays and heats be considered?
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby mump boy » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:16 pm

eldanielfire wrote:
mump boy wrote:IAAF PR fest is over so i'm now speaking about T&FN where thankfully relays and heats !! should not be taken into consideration


Why shouldn't relays and heats be considered?


because T&FN rules say relays aren't and of course heats aren't !!

I'm very sure of my top 5 after that it becomes a free for all, there are 2 i've knocked out who could easily be my 6-7 !! :?
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby ATK » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:02 pm

mump boy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
mump boy wrote:IAAF PR fest is over so i'm now speaking about T&FN where thankfully relays and heats !! should not be taken into consideration


Why shouldn't relays and heats be considered?


because T&FN rules say relays aren't and of course heats aren't !!

Are you sure heats aren't considered? If an athlete was to break a WR/CR/OR in the heats, would it not count towards their yearly ranking for T&FN?
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby gh » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:15 pm

yes, of course we include heats....
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby mump boy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:26 am

gh wrote:yes, of course we include heats....


Please explain how heats are evaluated in such considerations ??

When counting someone's winning streak heats are not counted as qualifying for next round is the object not necessarily winning. Obviously if someone sets WR or runs really fast heats become relevant but to suggest that 'looking dominant in preliminary rounds' should be considered in AOY assessment seems ludicrous and grasping at straws to me.

Do you also get marked down if you're not dominant in heats but are in finals ?!! :?

BY the way, while looking at ancillary marks it should be noted that Valerie has the top 25 :shock: marks of the year !! has there ever been such dominance ??
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:08 am

Losses, for one.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby aaronk » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:13 pm

As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:

1. Jessica Ennis (Maybe more sentimentality than reality, but gotta go with the LONDON OG "S.T.A.R."!!! Plus twice over 6900 and an OG Gold. Small matters, I know.)
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)
3. Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce (Rating the women 2 through 10 is VERY difficult!! SAFP squeaks into 3rd.)
4. Sanya Richards-Ross (Again, barely misses #3 and is inches ahead of #5.)
5. Barbara Spotakova (Most consistent in an INconsistent event!!)
6. Valerie Adams (On sympathy alone, wanted to give her 2nd, or even first!!)
7. Anna Chicherova (Several female field-eventers to choose from. She beat an excellent HJ field!!)
8. Carmelita Jeter (Again, her part in THAT relay speaks volumes!! Plus the 100-200!!)
9. Tirinish Dibaba (IF she had won both the 5K and 10K, MUCH higher!!)
10. Sooooo hard to choose #10. Could be Antyukh, Savinova, Yaripova, Reese, Suhr, Perkovic, Lysenko!! I'll close my eyes (and mind!!!) and go with........Sandra Perkovic!!
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:58 pm

Adams? want to edit the list just once?
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby Tuariki » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:08 am

aaronk wrote:As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:

1. Jessica Ennis (Maybe more sentimentality than reality, but gotta go with the LONDON OG "S.T.A.R."!!! Plus twice over 6900 and an OG Gold. Small matters, I know.)
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)
3. Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce (Rating the women 2 through 10 is VERY difficult!! SAFP squeaks into 3rd.)
4. Sanya Richards-Ross (Again, barely misses #3 and is inches ahead of #5.)
5. Barbara Spotakova (Most consistent in an INconsistent event!!)
6. Valerie Adams (On sympathy alone, wanted to give her 2nd, or even first!!)
7. Anna Chicherova (Several female field-eventers to choose from. She beat an excellent HJ field!!)
8. Carmelita Jeter (Again, her part in THAT relay speaks volumes!! Plus the 100-200!!)
9. Tirinish Dibaba (IF she had won both the 5K and 10K, MUCH higher!!)
10. Sooooo hard to choose #10. Could be Antyukh, Savinova, Yaripova, Reese, Suhr, Perkovic, Lysenko!! I'll close my eyes (and mind!!!) and go with........Sandra Perkovic!!

Spotakova and SAFP were each beaten 3 times. SRR had a loss.

Adams and Perkovic undefeated
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby mump boy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:34 am

26mi235 wrote:Losses, for one.


What does this mean ??
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby mump boy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:37 am

aaronk wrote:As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:

1. Jessica Ennis (Maybe more sentimentality than reality, but gotta go with the LONDON OG "S.T.A.R."!!! Plus twice over 6900 and an OG Gold. Small matters, I know.)
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)
3. Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce (Rating the women 2 through 10 is VERY difficult!! SAFP squeaks into 3rd.)
4. Sanya Richards-Ross (Again, barely misses #3 and is inches ahead of #5.)
5. Barbara Spotakova (Most consistent in an INconsistent event!!)
6. Valerie Adams (On sympathy alone, wanted to give her 2nd, or even first!!)
7. Anna Chicherova (Several female field-eventers to choose from. She beat an excellent HJ field!!)
8. Carmelita Jeter (Again, her part in THAT relay speaks volumes!! Plus the 100-200!!)
9. Tirinish Dibaba (IF she had won both the 5K and 10K, MUCH higher!!)
10. Sooooo hard to choose #10. Could be Antyukh, Savinova, Yaripova, Reese, Suhr, Perkovic, Lysenko!! I'll close my eyes (and mind!!!) and go with........Sandra Perkovic!!


Do you actually get to vote ? :?

I really hope not, because you CAN AND MUST discount the relays

Have you just picked your favourite athletes ? because this list has NOTHING to do with achievement
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby nevetsllim » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:12 am

aaronk wrote:2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)


I fail to see how Felix's 100m campaign strengthens her AOY credentials. :?

I'd also put Lashmanova and Gelana inside the top-10.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby Flumpy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:18 am

aaronk wrote:As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:

1. Jessica Ennis (Maybe more sentimentality than reality, but gotta go with the LONDON OG "S.T.A.R."!!! Plus twice over 6900 and an OG Gold. Small matters, I know.)
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)
3. Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce (Rating the women 2 through 10 is VERY difficult!! SAFP squeaks into 3rd.)
4. Sanya Richards-Ross (Again, barely misses #3 and is inches ahead of #5.)
5. Barbara Spotakova (Most consistent in an INconsistent event!!)
6. Valerie Adams (On sympathy alone, wanted to give her 2nd, or even first!!)
7. Anna Chicherova (Several female field-eventers to choose from. She beat an excellent HJ field!!)
8. Carmelita Jeter (Again, her part in THAT relay speaks volumes!! Plus the 100-200!!)
9. Tirinish Dibaba (IF she had won both the 5K and 10K, MUCH higher!!)
10. Sooooo hard to choose #10. Could be Antyukh, Savinova, Yaripova, Reese, Suhr, Perkovic, Lysenko!! I'll close my eyes (and mind!!!) and go with........Sandra Perkovic!!


I feel like you must have been watching different season to everybody else??? :?
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:27 am

mump boy wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Losses, for one.


What does this mean ??


If you lose and do not advance it goes as an (important) loss for the athlete in a heat/prelim.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby aaronk » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:37 am

mump boy wrote:
aaronk wrote:As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:

1. Jessica Ennis (Maybe more sentimentality than reality, but gotta go with the LONDON OG "S.T.A.R."!!! Plus twice over 6900 and an OG Gold. Small matters, I know.)
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)
3. Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce (Rating the women 2 through 10 is VERY difficult!! SAFP squeaks into 3rd.)
4. Sanya Richards-Ross (Again, barely misses #3 and is inches ahead of #5.)
5. Barbara Spotakova (Most consistent in an INconsistent event!!)
6. Valerie Adams (On sympathy alone, wanted to give her 2nd, or even first!!)
7. Anna Chicherova (Several female field-eventers to choose from. She beat an excellent HJ field!!)
8. Carmelita Jeter (Again, her part in THAT relay speaks volumes!! Plus the 100-200!!)
9. Tirinish Dibaba (IF she had won both the 5K and 10K, MUCH higher!!)
10. Sooooo hard to choose #10. Could be Antyukh, Savinova, Yaripova, Reese, Suhr, Perkovic, Lysenko!! I'll close my eyes (and mind!!!) and go with........Sandra Perkovic!!


Do you actually get to vote ? :?

I really hope not, because you CAN AND MUST discount the relays

Have you just picked your favourite athletes ? because this list has NOTHING to do with achievement


In a sense, yes to your last question, as I tend to rate things emotionally rather than sticking to facts and reality.
I know we can't count relays, but how can I ignore such an outstanding WR as that 40.82??
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aaronk wrote:2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)


I fail to see how Felix's 100m campaign strengthens her AOY credentials. :?

I'd also put Lashmanova and Gelana inside the top-10.


I considered the walkers, but decided against them in my rankings....emphasis on "MY"!!
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby Tuariki » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:37 am

It would appear obvious that Aaronk in attempting to justify his "interesting" selection choices went back to his high school mathematics and remembered that when you multiply a minus by a minus you come up with a positive.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby mump boy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:00 pm

aaronk wrote:
mump boy wrote:
aaronk wrote:As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:

1. Jessica Ennis (Maybe more sentimentality than reality, but gotta go with the LONDON OG "S.T.A.R."!!! Plus twice over 6900 and an OG Gold. Small matters, I know.)
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)
3. Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce (Rating the women 2 through 10 is VERY difficult!! SAFP squeaks into 3rd.)
4. Sanya Richards-Ross (Again, barely misses #3 and is inches ahead of #5.)
5. Barbara Spotakova (Most consistent in an INconsistent event!!)
6. Valerie Adams (On sympathy alone, wanted to give her 2nd, or even first!!)
7. Anna Chicherova (Several female field-eventers to choose from. She beat an excellent HJ field!!)
8. Carmelita Jeter (Again, her part in THAT relay speaks volumes!! Plus the 100-200!!)
9. Tirinish Dibaba (IF she had won both the 5K and 10K, MUCH higher!!)
10. Sooooo hard to choose #10. Could be Antyukh, Savinova, Yaripova, Reese, Suhr, Perkovic, Lysenko!! I'll close my eyes (and mind!!!) and go with........Sandra Perkovic!!


Do you actually get to vote ? :?

I really hope not, because you CAN AND MUST discount the relays

Have you just picked your favourite athletes ? because this list has NOTHING to do with achievement


In a sense, yes to your last question, as I tend to rate things emotionally rather than sticking to facts and reality.
I know we can't count relays, but how can I ignore such an outstanding WR as that 40.82??
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aaronk wrote:2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)


I fail to see how Felix's 100m campaign strengthens her AOY credentials. :?

I'd also put Lashmanova and Gelana inside the top-10.


I considered the walkers, but decided against them in my rankings....emphasis on "MY"!!


Oh, i thought AOY was an attempt to determine the athletes who had the best achievements of the year, not a list of people that we like we quite like for emotional reasons, no matter what their achievements !!

It is impossible to be totally unbiased but i try my best to keep emotion out of my choices
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby toyracer » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:01 pm

aaronk wrote:As I just posted my male AOY Top Ten picks, here's the female version:
2. Allyson Felix (I just can NOT discount the 4X100 relay!! With that, and her 200-100 performances, she's an easy #2......or #1??)


I wasn't aware that a 5th place finish in the Olympics was so highly valued.
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Re: wAOY - Felix, SRR, Adams, Perković

Postby nianchengyu » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:56 am

This vote has no abusolutetly correct standard after all,such as Ackermann of GDR was given 100 percent support for first women clearing 2m.From current view,2m is not that great,but finbingerova 22.50m indoor mark and 22.32m outdoors are terrific.As for eva wilms,using today scoring table she can hold pentathlon record until 1980,plus 21.43m SP,incredible for human beings, :shock: :shock: :shock:
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