The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.


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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby Flumpy » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:16 pm

The Euro Team Champs are there in 2016.

On the one hand I'm tempted to go just for the experience but on the other hand it's 400 miles past Moscow in the middle of nowhere.

Travel would be a nightmare.

Might be worth it just for the lols and to actually witness some of those ridiculous performances in person.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby jamal00005 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:25 pm

fasttrack85 wrote:
Gabriella wrote:Apparently Vdovina ran 49.80 today in Cheboksary. That's a big PB for her. This is quite a surprise for me. I'm not a fan of here as her relay legs have all been awful.




aaaah good ole Cheboksary its like the Eugene of far East Europe.

LMFAO!!!!
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby fasttrack85 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:19 am

Gabriella wrote:Apparently Vdovina ran 49.80 today in Cheboksary. That's a big PB for her. This is quite a surprise for me. I'm not a fan of here as her relay legs have all been awful.



Can you provide a source for this? I cant find any info on it which is weird since it would be the new world leading time.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:29 am

fasttrack85 wrote:
Gabriella wrote:Apparently Vdovina ran 49.80 today in Cheboksary. That's a big PB for her. This is quite a surprise for me. I'm not a fan of here as her relay legs have all been awful.



Can you provide a source for this? I cant find any info on it which is weird since it would be the new world leading time.


http://gorod48.ru/news/167950/

The translation:

Having started in Cheboksary Russian championship in athletics among young people has brought some unexpected results.

Out of competition in these competitions has decided to make 26-year-old runner Kseniya Vdovina Lipetsk, which took the surname after marriage Ryzhov. Result athletes in the preliminary race at 400 meters struck the imagination - 49.80. This is not just a personal record Xenia, but also the best season in the world for women.

For comparison, which had the best figure of the year in Russia Kseniya Zadorina ran one lap around the stadium "only" 50.56 seconds. That is Ryzhov ahead of her almost a second!

However, in the final of our athlete has not passed - have made it only to the pre-start.

The competition continues.


It sounds genuine, after all a Russian women's 400m runner running a obscene time before a final and likely burning herself out sounds realistic. I expect her to run 51.2s or something in the final.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby fasttrack85 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:15 am

49.80 in the prelims? I see the Krivoshapka method is alive and well throughout all of Russia.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby t_monk » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:57 pm

I still await to hear from AK49
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:28 am

Seriously though where the hell are the Russians ?
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:39 am

jamal00005 wrote:Seriously though where the hell are the Russians ?



The Russians around bar 3 have been around (the main 400m runners), most of them all season. Quoting myself from AW:


"Despite the confusion or snide comments the majority of Russian Athletes have been performing all season. We've seen all their long jumpers, their olympic medallist high jumpers, their major 800m runners, 1500m runners, 5000m runner, their throwers and hurdlers.

The only major ones I can think of who haven't started is Yuliya Zaripova and the 400m runners. Zaripova who usually runs longer races like 10ks before a late start to the season because she is studying at University and bringing up a daughter and has been preparing for this years Universiade which is being hosted by her University and she gave several interviews a few months ago about it saying it's the title she hasn't got. She also spoke about eventually moving up to the marathon.

Out of the 400m runners we have seen the C team in the indoors and at Gateshead, second string a lot in Natalya Antyukh, Kseniya Ustalova and Ksenia Zadorina and Tatyana Firova ran a stormer at Gateshead to get them into second. That leaves only Antonina Krivoshapka, and Yuliya Gushina as major names who haven't started as far as I'm aware. Oh and the drug cheat whom I'm not remotely interested in an hope doesn't make the team."



It's quite weird the Russian perception. Message boards often state they appear out of nowhere for the Russian champs and then disappear. However last year pretty much all of them who won at the Olympics contested the Diamond league afterwards and this season, as I pointed out they have been around indoor and out for many of them. I this stereotype only applies to the women's 400m runners to some degree, but all but 2 of the major ones have been around.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby Gabriella » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:44 pm

Guschina ran 51.82 at the Znamensky meet today. Apparently not great conditions though; very windy.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:03 pm

Gabriella wrote:Guschina ran 51.82 at the Znamensky meet today. Apparently not great conditions though; very windy.



So we are just waiting for Antonina Krivoshapka to run and every major Russian in every event hasn't started in 2013.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby Gabriella » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:22 am

Exactly. So all the top Russian female 400m runners have competed thus far apart from Krivoshapka. Is she preparaing behind closed doors? Is she injured?

The Russian top list over 400m at this point in time looks like this:

Ryzhova (Vdovina) 49.80
Zadorina 50.56
Ustalova 50.84
Kapachinskaya 51.05
Tamkova 51.52
Guschina 51.82
Kotljarova 52.12
Gusarova 52.14
Renzhina 52.16
Terekhov 52.49
Firova 52.57

The key points are:
1./ Ryzhova ran her WL in a heat at a junior meet and was about 3 seconds ahead of second place. She did not run the final. Her previous best was 50.43 from the national champs last season. Her only other outdoor race this year was a 23.48 (into the wind) at the end of May.

2./ The race on the 15th June in Erin was a key race with all of the top women in it apart from Ustalova and Ryzhova:

1st Zadorina 50.56
2nd Kapachinskaya 51.24
3rd Tamkova 51.57
4th Kotljarova 52.12
5th Renzhina 52.16
6th Gusarova 52.50
7th Firova 52.57

Guschina competed in the 200m, her opening race, and ran 23.32

3./ No sign of Krivoshapka outoors yet. She did have a couple of races indoors: 52.57 and 23.70 for 1st and 2nd at the Governors Cup and then 52.75 for 3rd at the Russian Winter meet. So her indoors form was ok at best. Perhaps she is injured or simply behind where she wants to be.

4./ Kapachinskaya has lost to both Ustalova (50.94 v 51.05) and Zadorina (Erin results above). Zadorina lost to Ustalova in Sochi, 50.84 v 51.59, so in terms of head to heads, in this very limited Russian season, Ustalova is top and Zadorina next best.
Note Guschina beat Kotljarova & Gusarova in Znamensky, the two women just behind her on the lists, 51.82 v 52.58 v 53.59. (Tamkova ran the 200m there in 23.35)

5./ Stalwart Nazarova, now 34, has run 52.95 and 53.96. Surely this is the end of her international championship running?
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:13 am

So every single Russian of note excluding Zaripova has raced indoors or out and Zaripova had cameras following her at training and interviewing her for the University games earlier this year anyway. So it seams all this talk of Russians not appearing before championships appears to be more people not bothering to catch-up on news outside of the west rather than anything else :wink:
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby jjimbojames » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:44 am

To be fair, at this point we've normally had performances which meant that people didn't need to go looking - they screamed out to be noticed.

Obviously we've got their champs to come, but the stand out performances from unknowns and races with amazing depth have yet to happen this year - you've highlighted the 'names' but where are the multiple sub-2s and sub-50s? The fact that we haven't had these yet suggests the Russians may actually peak in time for the WCs this year... :shock:
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby mump boy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:24 am

Gabriella wrote:
Ryzhova (Vdovina) 49.80
Zadorina 50.56
Ustalova 50.84
Kapachinskaya 51.05
Tamkova 51.52
Guschina 51.82
Kotljarova 52.12
Gusarova 52.14
Renzhina 52.16
Terekhov 52.49
Firova 52.57



Kapa and Guchina are the only 2 i could pick out of line up !! :? i find the rest totally interchangeable :?

I might get AK49 depending on what she's done with her hair
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby Gabriella » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:02 am

Ha! Come on mump, Ustalova and Ryzhova are both v similar looking; tall, slim & blonde (although Ustalova went brown indoors). Ryzhova has run in international relays before (generally poor legs, esp indoors) while Firova has that lovely wiry hair she wears in a ponytail :D Zadorina is stockier (another pony tail too). I agree re the other though, as theyve hardly competed internationally!

The Universiade starts on the 6th of this month in Kazan. Ustalova is down to run the 400m while Ryzhova is in the relay so we will get a glimpse of their form on the international scene, albeit it still in Russia.

As an aside, Ustalova and Ryzhova are not the fastest over the first 200m of a 400m race. This is more about ability then tactics, but maybe this is a good change to the usual Russian who blasts out then dies.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby az2004 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:46 am

competeing at home, i.d favor the russianns to do well
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:09 am

mump boy wrote:
Gabriella wrote:
Ryzhova (Vdovina) 49.80
Zadorina 50.56
Ustalova 50.84
Kapachinskaya 51.05
Tamkova 51.52
Guschina 51.82
Kotljarova 52.12
Gusarova 52.14
Renzhina 52.16
Terekhov 52.49
Firova 52.57



Kapa and Guchina are the only 2 i could pick out of line up !! :? i find the rest totally interchangeable :?

I might get AK49 depending on what she's done with her hair


Surely you recognise Tatyana Firova? European champion and the tall leggy brunette who now has 3 Olympic silver medals? She looks nothing like the rest and is the only one I have heard speaking English. She's been the mainstay of the Russian relay team for almost a decade now.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:11 am

Gabriella wrote:
The Universiade starts on the 6th of this month in Kazan. Ustalova is down to run the 400m while Ryzhova is in the relay so we will get a glimpse of their form on the international scene, albeit it still in Russia.

As an aside, Ustalova and Ryzhova are not the fastest over the first 200m of a 400m race. This is more about ability then tactics, but maybe this is a good change to the usual Russian who blasts out then dies.


Indeed. The only one who has consistently not done this is Firova. You would have thought Gushina would have learned but she just seems average most championships, like all the Russians in the Beijing 100m relay gold.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby Gabriella » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:15 am

Kapachinskaya has just run 22.39 in the heats of the 200m at the Moscow Champs. (NWI) She's not going to run the final. Apparently she's running the 400 at the nationals and will decide on the 200 after.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:37 am

Gabriella wrote:Kapachinskaya has just run 22.39 in the heats of the 200m at the Moscow Champs. (NWI) She's not going to run the final. Apparently she's running the 400 at the nationals and will decide on the 200 after.

Very good time for her....interesting to see what kind of time she will run in the 400m
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby az2004 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:10 am

I think running in Russia will he ahrd on some americans easier for Russians

we will find out sooner than later
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby peach77 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:16 am

Gabriella wrote:Kapachinskaya has just run 22.39 in the heats of the 200m at the Moscow Champs. (NWI) She's not going to run the final. Apparently she's running the 400 at the nationals and will decide on the 200 after.


0.01 off the lifetime best she ran just before she got banned for drugs... :roll:
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:17 am

peach77 wrote:
Gabriella wrote:Kapachinskaya has just run 22.39 in the heats of the 200m at the Moscow Champs. (NWI) She's not going to run the final. Apparently she's running the 400 at the nationals and will decide on the 200 after.


0.01 off the lifetime best she ran just before she got banned for drugs... :roll:

Are you hinting at something or am i looking for things that aren't there ? :D
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:50 am

jamal00005 wrote:
peach77 wrote:
Gabriella wrote:Kapachinskaya has just run 22.39 in the heats of the 200m at the Moscow Champs. (NWI) She's not going to run the final. Apparently she's running the 400 at the nationals and will decide on the 200 after.


0.01 off the lifetime best she ran just before she got banned for drugs... :roll:

Are you hinting at something or am i looking for things that aren't there ? :D


Nah, we are all thinking the same thing with this one.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby jamal00005 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:39 pm

Well Krivoshapka ran 49.57 today @ the Kuts Memoria :D . I am very happy fpr her and i hope she gets her nerves together come Moscow. I love her :D Also Zhukovskaya did 7.02 in the long jump.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby run4urlyfe » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:46 pm

jamal00005 wrote:Well Krivoshapka ran 49.57 today @ the Kuts Memoria :D . I am very happy fpr her and i hope she gets her nerves together come Moscow. I love her :D Also Zhukovskaya did 7.02 in the long jump.



Yes Jamal my old friend(wink wink). I knew Krivoshapka was brewing up something really good.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:43 pm

jamal00005 wrote:Well Krivoshapka ran 49.57 today @ the Kuts Memoria :D . I am very happy fpr her and i hope she gets her nerves together come Moscow. I love her :D Also Zhukovskaya did 7.02 in the long jump.


She has the speed, now it's about putting the energy together for the rounds. It's set-up this year for it too. No SSR, Montsho slowing down, Hastings not that consistent.

However Krivoshapka is the anti-Ohuruoghu. Those two are exact opposites to each other.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby dustoff » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:52 pm

How on Earth does Russia pump out so many women, but the US is unable to get more than a few competitive white girls in any event? It is absolutely mind boggling to me, especially with the participation rates and facilities we have available.

If Roesler was in Russia, she would probably have some medals by now or at least championship finals appearances.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:40 pm

dustoff wrote:How on Earth does Russia pump out so many women, but the US is unable to get more than a few competitive white girls in any event? It is absolutely mind boggling to me, especially with the participation rates and facilities we have available.

If Roesler was in Russia, she would probably have some medals by now or at least championship finals appearances.


I think psychology and background. Generally Russian's are relatively poor and work ethic is highly valued. In fact it's a culture where work ethic among women is hugely prized and a strong part of their identity, Russian women thought in WWII in battalions, defending Stalingrad and were thought to make the better snipers. There is also the admiration for tough women hence more dedication to sport. In a culture that physically values and praise the gender they are bound to respond and also have a number of female coaches which of course encourages retention in women. Less so the men. Hence why women have a 20 odd year average lifespan longer than the men who regularly fit the profile of drunk Russians. Another factor is that Russia is a country who has one of the only big gender imbalances in favour of women so women have to go out and find a career or vocation. Meanwhile western women are spoilt and pampered basically.

It's a similar story with Tennis, Russia quietly puts out considerably more top female Tennis players than any other country by some distance. At various times having 6 of the top 10. The fact these are the top 2 female sports where women can earn comparable amounts to the men is probably why their talent isn't diluted to team sports.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby fasttrack85 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:38 am

run4urlyfe wrote:
jamal00005 wrote:Well Krivoshapka ran 49.57 today @ the Kuts Memoria :D . I am very happy fpr her and i hope she gets her nerves together come Moscow. I love her :D Also Zhukovskaya did 7.02 in the long jump.



Yes Jamal my old friend(wink wink). I knew Krivoshapka was brewing up something really good.



Yes i actually said that in an earlier thread that I feel Krivoshapka was brewing up something and the silence was killing me. Others had written her off as irrelevant i hope those people can show themselves now for their rightfully due public shaming.

As of now Krivo is my fav for the world champs and I am looking forward to womens 400 almost more than any other race excpet maybe womens 200. This really is Krivos race to lose. If she goes out at a fast pace and can maintain she is going to force everyone into a territory that they are not used to. Cmon Krivo help us forget that SRR is not in the race for this year.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby t_monk » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:03 pm

Postmortem....
Krivoshopka did 49.78
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby dustoff » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:53 pm

t_monk wrote:Postmortem....
Krivoshopka did 49.78

And from the far outside! Of course, she put herself there by not running well enough in the semi to get a preferred lane and leave it a bit to chance, but it seems like she was a bit slow the first 200-250 and had to really put it on and it had her come on hard down the straight. She might have had a chance to be in the mix if it was a wee bit faster in the first half.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:52 am

dustoff wrote:
t_monk wrote:Postmortem....
Krivoshopka did 49.78

And from the far outside! Of course, she put herself there by not running well enough in the semi to get a preferred lane and leave it a bit to chance, but it seems like she was a bit slow the first 200-250 and had to really put it on and it had her come on hard down the straight. She might have had a chance to be in the mix if it was a wee bit faster in the first half.


To be fair that was a fast a championship race as can be expected, been a long while since we had sub-49.5 and especially more than one in a final so in context her time was awesome as was the achievement in a strong field.

What we should really be looking at is how Americans were fast on times this season but couldn't clock a sub-50 to contend for a medal ;)
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby t_monk » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:04 am

eldanielfire wrote:
dustoff wrote:
t_monk wrote:Postmortem....
Krivoshopka did 49.78

And from the far outside! Of course, she put herself there by not running well enough in the semi to get a preferred lane and leave it a bit to chance, but it seems like she was a bit slow the first 200-250 and had to really put it on and it had her come on hard down the straight. She might have had a chance to be in the mix if it was a wee bit faster in the first half.


To be fair that was a fast a championship race as can be expected, been a long while since we had sub-49.5 and especially more than one in a final so in context her time was awesome as was the achievement in a strong field.

What we should really be looking at is how Americans were fast on times this season but couldn't clock a sub-50 to contend for a medal ;)


The tables definitely did turn in the finals for the US runners. They did an AK49 by blowing their wad in the semi's by running really fast semi's and not being able to reproduce in the finals.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby fasttrak85 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:43 am

Krivoshapka actually took it easy in both the heats and semis so I thought she would really step on the gas in the finals. I think if she had upped the intensity a bit maybe 50 meters earlier she would have been running with or slightly ahead of Montsho and and it might have been a threesome at the line.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:35 am

Well......Russia topped the table this time. That includes a 400m medal, hurdles medal, a men's relay medal and a relay gold medal for the women.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby t_monk » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:51 am

eldanielfire wrote:Well......Russia topped the table this time. That includes a 400m medal, hurdles medal, a men's relay medal and a relay gold medal for the women.


And this is without Zaripova, an not in top form Savinova, Antyukh not in form and Chicherova under-performing.
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Re: The Russians: Fast on times short on medals.

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:07 am

t_monk wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Well......Russia topped the table this time. That includes a 400m medal, hurdles medal, a men's relay medal and a relay gold medal for the women.


And this is without Zaripova, an not in top form Savinova, Antyukh not in form and Chicherova under-performing.



I think Chicherova was cancelled out by Shkolina winning the gold. I suspect we have seem the last of Antyukh on top form anyway. You might add Ustalova never recovered her top form after that early season fall in the European Indoors, Ikhov also not in top form (tough raised his game) and all their female Long jumpers having a mare. All things being equal a number of their young men stepped up this year.
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