Great analysis by Master Po! I agree, Centro ran a perfect race ... until the bell. Even then, he is so smooth, he got out of trouble without too much effort. But when Manzano passed him, he hesitated to go with him, and that made all the difference. Awesome race by Manzano!! He can drive us nuts, but he has such speed!
The real stud, of course, was Makhloufi. His acceleration was incredible, and he held form all the way home. Plus he & Manzano only had 3:42s in their legs from the semi, not the 3:34s Iguider & Centro had. For the sake of the sport, I hope he raced clean. It will be interesting to see what happens regarding his shoving to get through. Not quite as blatant as Rodriguez in the W1500 at Berlin, and it didn't seem to disrupt Centro too much ... but it was right at the border of what is acceptable.
I'm surprised at Willis. He is usually so fit and tactically sound. I will be interested to hear his post race comments. And all 5 Kenyan born runners in the back half?! Yikes! I would love to have seen a totally fit & confident Kiprop. Maybe next year at the WC.
Willis did surprise me, too. Though he was obviously boxed in for a while, he seemed to have 2-3 opportunities to get out and run wide but he elected to keep falling back late then try to move. I don't understand what he was thinking.
Nice race by Manzano and Centro. Manzano did not look very sharp in the race(s) I saw between the OT and the OG so it was good to see him rebound. What was the comment from the Kenyan coach about them winning so many medals here? They've been a big disappointment.
uakari wrote:what's coe's distaste for the winner?
Lord Coe doesn't confide in me, but in my interpretation of the comments, it seemed very much frustration that the top runners (Kenyans, Willis) let it develop the way it did and let Makhloufi get away.
I don't know any more about Makhloufi than what's on all-athletics.com (and I doubt if most of us reading this thread do at this point), but he was a 3:34 guy by 2009, and had 3:32 & 3:33 on his resume before his 3:30.80 in Monaco earlier this summer. He competed at 1500 in both Berlin and Daegu (sf both), won the African championships 800 earlier this year (1:43.88), and did an 800/1500 double (1st, 3rd) at the All-Africa Games last year. So, he's got some championship experience, and some of it successful. And, he has a faster 800m PB than most of the guys in this field.
And, given the schedule of these OG, it's no great mystery at least for me that (as reported) he didn't want to run both the 800 & 1500 -- I don't think he would have had that 3:34 in him today if he had just run an 800 sf an hour earlier.
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Master Po wrote:I know I should be thrilled at Manzano's silver and Centro's 4th, and I guess I am, but I just felt bad seeing Kiprop trailing the field. As much as we all cheer for our own, whoever they are, no one wants to see that, I would think.
When you are as thrilled to see Manzano get silver as I am you fail to even see "that" ... This is the happiest day of my 1500m viewing career !!!
gh wrote:congrats to the 3 of you who have (so far) earned bans for your commentary on this thread. Anybody wanna try for 4?
Yikes! You have the best "job" in the world ... T&FN, plus "suffering" through another awesome Olympics in person. And then you gotta go check the threads for every event and delete the unacceptable. I hope you have a good staff working with you.
I love these event forums. Track & Field fans are the best and most knowledgable in all of sports. I love the back and forth comments and analyses of the various events. Thanks gh for the work you put into this!
I have been aware of Makhloufi for quite a few years and I considered him very progressive to the end of '11.
Throughout '09, '10 and to September '11 he was continually (but slowly) improving despite injuries but I believed that he lacked the basic speed and the required change of pace to ever be a championship 1500m runner. I thought he would eventually end up as a world class 5k and maybe10k runner given his youthful promise at longer distances.
When he beat the Kenyans and won the All African games 800m in Mozambique at the beginning of September '11 he had clearly worked hard on his basic speed and this new found speed was fabulously re-enforced by the 1.43.88 win in Porto Novo at the end of June '12.
Makhloufi was by now a very different athlete than the man (22) who finished down the field (3.32.9) in Monaco in '10 and I was pretty excited about how fast he was going to run when back at 1500m in '12 and I admit I was very disappointed when he finished 5th in Monaco on July 20.
I thought he'd run 3.28 and would comfortably beat Kiprop so 3.30.8 was really disappointing! I knew he could and would go much faster and place much higher in a slowly run race.
Not wanting to aftertime or be boastful, I tried really hard to get betting odds for the Olympic 1500m but because there was no strong British interest in the event it was difficult to get any bookmaker to give a price in advance of the heats but eventually the world's largest betting exchange provided some prices and I managed to get 100/1, 66/1 and 50/1.
The point of the above is not to relate my good fortune rather it is to evidence that whilst Makhloufi might not have had the fast times and championship form in the run up to London he was a rapidly improving runner who was certainly a very possible winner.
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Didn't everyone see that fiasco in th 1500? what the hell does it take to be dq'd? Is there a statute of limitations on how fast a dq must take place? The video of that race has gone viral and another black eye for T&F
TELF: it doesn't mean a darn thing if you like him or if he has been improving..fine..he has been improving...did you see the 1500 final? he needs to be dq'd!!!! no personal opinions need enter in to the discussion..case closed...thanks for coming..good night!!
Wow, just now reading the results. So proud of our mid-to-long distance guys and women. They have come a long way. I was starting to wonder if we could do it. Incredible! I've liked Leo for quite a while. Can't wait to see it tonight.
I was pleased to see Manzano get up for silver. I have been a Leo admirer ever since I watched him come out of nowhere( well, actually Marble Falls, Texas) to run 4:02 mile as a HS junior (?) at the Texas Relays.
People keep talking on here about "blatant fouls". I did not see anything that (to me) warrants expulsion from the race. I saw him get pushed earlier in the race, I also saw him get pushed and elbowed with about 450 meters to go, and yes he did break through fighting for position with about a lap to go but that did not appear to be a blatant foul where he will be disqualified and I don't see how anyone was impeded by the actions you are discussing. So I think all you who are crying foul need to give it a rest. He was the strongest and fastest today and won fair and square so get over it.
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odelltrclan wrote: I did not see anything that to me warrants expulsion from the race.
Agree, just normal racing for a tight middle distance race. Also don't understand some of the surprise expressed in the thread. The TFN form chart had him 5th, which becomes 4th when the injury removed Kiprop from the top tier. So he finished three places above the experts' predictions, hardly a drastic upset (we've already had two winners from #9 in the form charts). So not predicted, but not shocking either from the pre-meet forecasts.