TN1965 wrote:But his ability to peak for the big meet is remarkable. I look forward to seeing what he can do next year.
Yes; and he repeated last year's performance in that only two runners from other countries finished ahead of him. Only difference is that this time there was a teammate ahead of him as well. As long as Centro lets only two runners from other countries finish ahead of him, the U.S. will keep winning medals.
the feeling I got watching him accelerate down the back straight took me back to the same feeling I got watching the last lap of the Womens 3,000m at the 2001 World Indoor Championships - anyone agree?? it certainly looked impressive..........
aaronk wrote:I no longer own the 1972 Olympics issue of T&FN, but I'll have to do some research, because I'm certain I read of that 1:46 finish of Vasela in the pages of that issue of T&FN!!! I remember being totally STUNNED by the report!!
The Munich Olympics issue of T&FN, September 1972, pages 22-23, says Vasala ran the last 400 in 53.4 and the last 800 in 1:49.0. The story on the race was written by Cordner Nelson. David Wallechinsky and Jaime Loucky, in The Complete Book of the Olympics, 1968 edition, page 105, perhaps drawing from the T&FN piece, also have 1:49.0.
Congrats to Leo for his silver medal! Well deserved. And a thumbs-up and job-well-done to Centro. I thought he ran a smart (though not perfect) race and should feel good about the way he ran, even though finishing 4th has to sting. I'm pleased to see US distance runners finally (Finally!!) running like they sincerely want to compete.
aaronk wrote:That's maybe a 1:48 pace for 800. The only other time I remember someone running that pace was Pekka Vasela in 1972, when he burned the final 800 in 1:46!!!
Then you have a bad memory.
Please refresh my (ageing) memory!! When else has anyone ever run 1:46 for the final 800 of a Championships 1500 race, no matter how slow the first 700?? I think I recall one or two in the 1:50 range....maybe even 1:49.5......but never anything near 1:46!! That was phenomenal!!! (And Vasela's overall time was 3:36, so he hit his first 700 in 1:50!!)
I see others have chimed in but other than being incorrect regarding Vasala and not recalling faster, more recent runs for home it appears you're memory bank is not up to par.
1fastrunner wrote:A USA runner won the silver, right? Did USA file a protest?
A DQ of the winner would give the USA a bronze, too, but I don't see any protest filed by U.S. coaches.
I saw the race live and just watched the replay. No way was there a foul. Yeah, he shoved a bit and threw a forearm but that's an incidental part of racing. Had it occurred in the last 100 meters, they might have taken a closer look, but with a lap to go that's just part of what goes on in a tightly bunched pack.
Master Po wrote:I know I should be thrilled at Manzano's silver and Centro's 4th, and I guess I am, but I just felt bad seeing Kiprop trailing the field. As much as we all cheer for our own, whoever they are, no one wants to see that, I would think.
When you are as thrilled to see Manzano get silver as I am you fail to even see "that" ... This is the happiest day of my 1500m viewing career !!!
I missed the whole thing due to computer malfunction but got to stay up until near midnight to see it on NBC. I was stunned to see Manzano screaming down the stretch, those little legs a blur, and getting silver. This ranks with Rupp getting his silver for me! I do wonder if Leo left it too late and had he been nearer the front he might have challenged the Algerian more in the end. Still it's great. Too bad NBC did not see fit to interview him, or Pearson.
To all those who corrected my mistake about Vasala's last 800 in Munich....thank you!! It appears that his 1:49 (as noted above by someone) turned into a 1:46 in my mind. That 1:49 was stupendous then. And yes, I do NOT remember anyone before then going sub-1:50, so unless my memory is TOTALLY shot ( ), his 1:49 WAS shocking enough that, as some people do.........I tended to embellish that over the years into a 1:46!! Sorry, but thanks again for the corrections!!!
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bushop wrote:Will we see a protest in the 1500m? Makhloufi shoved through the leaders to take the pole on the bell lap.
I am sure the IAAF are itching to dq him and he should be
NBC showed a close-up of the pushing on the end-of-broadcast replay. Blatant grabbing, pulling and elbowing to move between the leaders and into the front.
This was mild compared to the move Ovett made in the Moscow 800m final. Drugs are the only thing that will DQ an Olympic gold medal winner (.. I know about the 1908 Marathon)
Well, they DQ'd Natalia Rodriguez in Berlin, when she finished first in the 1500, and they did DQ'd Fomenko/Chizhenko (who finished 2nd or 3rd) in 2005 in Helsinki. OTOH, they didn't DQ Anita Weyerman in '97. Cheers, Alan Shank
aaronk wrote:To all those who corrected my mistake about Vasala's last 800 in Munich....thank you!! It appears that his 1:49 (as noted above by someone) turned into a 1:46 in my mind. That 1:49 was stupendous then. And yes, I do NOT remember anyone before then going sub-1:50, so unless my memory is TOTALLY shot ( ), his 1:49 WAS shocking enough that, as some people do.........I tended to embellish that over the years into a 1:46!! Sorry, but thanks again for the corrections!!!
Just looked at the video of El G's 1500m WR of 1998. His time for the final 800m appears to be 1:49.5 give or take 0.5 s. Final time 3:26.0, so I think unbeatable final two laps in a fast race - the fastest of all time.
I get that Kiprop was injured, but why didn't Kiplagat and Chepseba set a faster pace in the early stages? In all the other meets they look like superior runners than anyone else in the race (with the exception of Gebramedhin), how can just not having a pacemaker drop them to 7th and 11th?