¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08


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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby odelltrclan » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:02 pm

BillVol wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:Anyone find it a little odd that Manzano raised his hand at the finish line with a single finger raised as in #1! Did he miss the guy far to his left in lane 1?


Not at all. He broke through a major barrier for US runners. I didn't have a number one up as he finished but I was pumping my fist and screaming YES!


Well, Centro won a medal in the WC last year so who broke through first? Either way, it was a great race for Manzano. Surprising to be sure because you never know which Manzano is going to show up.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby bman » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:35 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HsWDpk3ZhA

Good for Algeria. We've won over sixty medals and I am going nuts for a silver, this is more or less it for them.

The way the race transpired was perfect for Makloufi, ie good for a kick from 400, and perfect as well for Manzano, ie slow but with open space as a result of guys trying to kick from 400. If Makloufi wouldn't have gone so ridiculously fast the guys wouldn't have died at the end like they did. And if the pace early in the race would have been faster Leo would have been way out of it.

Amazes me that the Kenyans don't just take turns setting a blisteringly fast pace.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby kevinsdad » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:56 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Please refresh my (ageing) memory!!
When else has anyone ever run 1:46 for the final 800 of a Championships 1500 race, no matter how slow the first 700??


Seriously? You can remember 1972 (wrongly-Vasala ran about 1:48:8 last 800) but not all three medalists in 2004?
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby EPelle » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:20 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:That's maybe a 1:48 pace for 800.
The only other time I remember someone running that pace was Pekka Vasela in 1972, when he burned the final 800 in 1:46!!!


Then you have a bad memory.


Please refresh my (ageing) memory!!
When else has anyone ever run 1:46 for the final 800 of a Championships 1500 race, no matter how slow the first 700??

2004. El Guerrouj. Lagat. Silva. Also, Abdi Bile's 1987 WC victory.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:38 pm

lovetorun wrote:I'm really puzzled by Willis's race...he seemed perfectly poised to medal and possibly win...and has a great big meet record. Anyone know what happened?

He said on Twitter afterwards that "on reflection my poor performance wasn't likely a miss-timed (sic) peak, but inability to recover from rounds. How to fix that is the Q" :o
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:02 am

kevinsdad wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Please refresh my (ageing) memory!!
When else has anyone ever run 1:46 for the final 800 of a Championships 1500 race, no matter how slow the first 700??


Seriously? You can remember 1972 (wrongly-Vasala ran about 1:48:8 last 800) but not all three medalists in 2004?


I no longer own the 1972 Olympics issue of T&FN, but I'll have to do some research, because I'm certain I read of that 1:46 finish of Vasela in the pages of that issue of T&FN!!!
I remember being totally STUNNED by the report!!
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby EPelle » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:09 am

At any rate, you needn't revert back to 1972. Athens had El G and Lagat both close in 1.46,7. Even more astonishing was that Silva closed in 1.46,3. Abdi Bile closed the '87 World Champs in 1.46,9
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby j-a-m » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:43 am

odelltrclan wrote:People keep talking on here about "blatant fouls". I did not see anything that (to me) warrants expulsion from the race.

Just watched the race again. When he made his move, there were two situations where he fought his way through a couple other runners. Both seemed fine, though, and if there was a blatant foul I wasn't able to find it.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby j-a-m » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:45 am

odelltrclan wrote:Anyone find it a little odd that Manzano raised his hand at the finish line with a single finger raised as in #1! Did he miss the guy far to his left in lane 1?

May have just pointed towards the sky.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby j-a-m » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:50 am

Weights&Shoes wrote:1 - He was far from that lead group of 4 coming around the last 200.

Just watched the race again, and looked specifically at the gap between Centro and the guy who ended up winning bronze, and that gap was still reasonable. Don't think Centro let him get too far away; didn't quite catch him in the end, but it was fine in terms of tactics.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby j-a-m » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:53 am

TN1965 wrote:But his ability to peak for the big meet is remarkable. I look forward to seeing what he can do next year.

Yes; and he repeated last year's performance in that only two runners from other countries finished ahead of him. Only difference is that this time there was a teammate ahead of him as well. As long as Centro lets only two runners from other countries finish ahead of him, the U.S. will keep winning medals.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby liuxuan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:26 am

the feeling I got watching him accelerate down the back straight took me back to the same feeling I got watching the last lap of the Womens 3,000m at the 2001 World Indoor Championships - anyone agree?? it certainly looked impressive..........
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby CKuykendall » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:23 am

aaronk wrote:I no longer own the 1972 Olympics issue of T&FN, but I'll have to do some research, because I'm certain I read of that 1:46 finish of Vasela in the pages of that issue of T&FN!!! I remember being totally STUNNED by the report!!

The Munich Olympics issue of T&FN, September 1972, pages 22-23, says Vasala ran the last 400 in 53.4 and the last 800 in 1:49.0. The story on the race was written by Cordner Nelson. David Wallechinsky and Jaime Loucky, in The Complete Book of the Olympics, 1968 edition, page 105, perhaps drawing from the T&FN piece, also have 1:49.0.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby catson52 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:04 am

A close look at the video of the Munich race shows that Vasala ran 1:49.0, give or take 0.1, from 700m to the finish.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby asindc » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:10 am

Congrats to Leo for his silver medal! Well deserved. And a thumbs-up and job-well-done to Centro. I thought he ran a smart (though not perfect) race and should feel good about the way he ran, even though finishing 4th has to sting. I'm pleased to see US distance runners finally (Finally!!) running like they sincerely want to compete.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Dutra5 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:35 am

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:That's maybe a 1:48 pace for 800.
The only other time I remember someone running that pace was Pekka Vasela in 1972, when he burned the final 800 in 1:46!!!


Then you have a bad memory.


Please refresh my (ageing) memory!!
When else has anyone ever run 1:46 for the final 800 of a Championships 1500 race, no matter how slow the first 700??
I think I recall one or two in the 1:50 range....maybe even 1:49.5......but never anything near 1:46!!
That was phenomenal!!! (And Vasela's overall time was 3:36, so he hit his first 700 in 1:50!!)


I see others have chimed in but other than being incorrect regarding Vasala and not recalling faster, more recent runs for home it appears you're memory bank is not up to par.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby bruce3404 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:18 am

ExCoastRanger wrote:
1fastrunner wrote:A USA runner won the silver, right? Did USA file a protest?


A DQ of the winner would give the USA a bronze, too, but I don't see any protest filed by U.S. coaches.


I saw the race live and just watched the replay. No way was there a foul. Yeah, he shoved a bit and threw a forearm but that's an incidental part of racing. Had it occurred in the last 100 meters, they might have taken a closer look, but with a lap to go that's just part of what goes on in a tightly bunched pack.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Dutra5 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:26 am

There was no foul. There was some bumping and pushing but I thought Kiplagat was trying to block him in both instances and cut in too soon anyway.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby jeremyp » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:32 am

user4 wrote:
Master Po wrote:I know I should be thrilled at Manzano's silver and Centro's 4th, and I guess I am, but I just felt bad seeing Kiprop trailing the field. As much as we all cheer for our own, whoever they are, no one wants to see that, I would think.


When you are as thrilled to see Manzano get silver as I am you fail to even see "that" ... This is the happiest day of my 1500m viewing career !!!

I missed the whole thing due to computer malfunction but got to stay up until near midnight to see it on NBC. I was stunned to see Manzano screaming down the stretch, those little legs a blur, and getting silver. This ranks with Rupp getting his silver for me! I do wonder if Leo left it too late and had he been nearer the front he might have challenged the Algerian more in the end. Still it's great. Too bad NBC did not see fit to interview him, or Pearson.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:42 am

To all those who corrected my mistake about Vasala's last 800 in Munich....thank you!!
It appears that his 1:49 (as noted above by someone) turned into a 1:46 in my mind.
That 1:49 was stupendous then. And yes, I do NOT remember anyone before then going sub-1:50, so unless my memory is TOTALLY shot ( :( ), his 1:49 WAS shocking enough that, as some people do.........I tended to embellish that over the years into a 1:46!!
Sorry, but thanks again for the corrections!!!
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Daisy » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:42 am

jeremyp wrote:Too bad NBC did not see fit to interview him, or Pearson.

Pearson gives a great interview too. Maybe they could not get her since she was being interviewed by TV networks from other countries?
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby TN1965 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:34 am

jeremyp wrote:Too bad NBC did not see fit to interview him, or Pearson.


Yes, I wanted to hear him talk about his bizarre pre-race ritual in front of national TV. :)
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby jeremyp » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:40 am

Loved the medal ceremony. Leo got up on the podium and he was still shorter than the presenter.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby thedodge » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:58 pm

His 143.88 speed was just to much, wondering if that's the future of the mile good 800m men moving up.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Dutra5 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:19 pm

jeremyp wrote:Loved the medal ceremony. Leo got up on the podium and he was still shorter than the presenter.


Presenter being El G.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby errolM » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:28 pm

thedodge wrote:His 143.88 speed was just to much, wondering if that's the future of the mile good 800m men moving up.


Not exactly a new phenomenon, no?
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:47 pm

errolM wrote:
thedodge wrote:His 143.88 speed was just to much, wondering if that's the future of the mile good 800m men moving up.


Not exactly a new phenomenon, no?


In my lifetime, Peter Snell was the first to move up, first winning the 800 in Rome, then the 800 and 1500 in Tokyo.
But wasn't Seb Coe also first an 800 guy who then moved up to the mile?

After he breaks 1:40 in the next year or two, would love to see what Rudisha can do in a mile!!
The first sub-3:40??
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:50 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
jeremyp wrote:Loved the medal ceremony. Leo got up on the podium and he was still shorter than the presenter.


Presenter being El G.


Congrats on being the first person to mention El G!!!
He looked great, didn't he??
Too bad he retired!!
He could probably still whip these rookie's asses!!! :P
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby errolM » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:57 pm

aaronk wrote:But wasn't Seb Coe also first an 800 guy who then moved up to the mile?


Coe was actually more of a XC runner at school and early Uni before settling on the 800. Ovett did a bit of 200 and 400 as well as before the 8.

Neither, of course, were as good as the legendary Kirk Dumpleton :wink:
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby bitrot » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:18 pm

bushop wrote:
tm71 wrote:
bushop wrote:Will we see a protest in the 1500m? Makhloufi shoved through the leaders to take the pole on the bell lap.

I am sure the IAAF are itching to dq him and he should be

NBC showed a close-up of the pushing on the end-of-broadcast replay.
Blatant grabbing, pulling and elbowing to move between the leaders and into the front.


This was mild compared to the move Ovett made in the Moscow 800m final. Drugs are the only thing that will DQ an Olympic gold medal winner (.. I know about the 1908 Marathon)
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Alan Shank » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:17 am

bitrot wrote:
bushop wrote:
tm71 wrote:
bushop wrote:Will we see a protest in the 1500m? Makhloufi shoved through the leaders to take the pole on the bell lap.

I am sure the IAAF are itching to dq him and he should be

NBC showed a close-up of the pushing on the end-of-broadcast replay.
Blatant grabbing, pulling and elbowing to move between the leaders and into the front.


This was mild compared to the move Ovett made in the Moscow 800m final. Drugs are the only thing that will DQ an Olympic gold medal winner (.. I know about the 1908 Marathon)


Well, they DQ'd Natalia Rodriguez in Berlin, when she finished first in the 1500, and they did DQ'd Fomenko/Chizhenko (who finished 2nd or 3rd) in 2005 in Helsinki. OTOH, they didn't DQ Anita Weyerman in '97.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:20 am

aaronk wrote:But wasn't Seb Coe also first an 800 guy who then moved up to the mile?



In school Coe was more of a distance type...3000m etc. On the world stage he first showed up as an 800m runner.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby uakari » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:05 pm

i think makhloufi shouldda been DQ for his shenanigans in the 800m, coming up with a fake doctor's note. but i guess it's easier to scapegoat 8 asian female badminton players for "cheating."
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby catson52 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:37 pm

aaronk wrote:To all those who corrected my mistake about Vasala's last 800 in Munich....thank you!!
It appears that his 1:49 (as noted above by someone) turned into a 1:46 in my mind.
That 1:49 was stupendous then. And yes, I do NOT remember anyone before then going sub-1:50, so unless my memory is TOTALLY shot ( :( ), his 1:49 WAS shocking enough that, as some people do.........I tended to embellish that over the years into a 1:46!!
Sorry, but thanks again for the corrections!!!


Just looked at the video of El G's 1500m WR of 1998. His time for the final 800m appears to be 1:49.5 give or take 0.5 s. Final time 3:26.0, so I think unbeatable final two laps in a fast race - the fastest of all time.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby EPelle » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:04 pm

If run evenly, that would make sense. His WR time averages 54,93/lap (1.49,87 for any 800m segment during the race).
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Re: ¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby athleticshushmail » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:29 am

I get that Kiprop was injured, but why didn't Kiplagat and Chepseba set a faster pace in the early stages? In all the other meets they look like superior runners than anyone else in the race (with the exception of Gebramedhin), how can just not having a pacemaker drop them to 7th and 11th?
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