¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08


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¶2012 OG: m1500–Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria) 3:34.08

Postby dj » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:08 pm

T&FN formchart advancing to final

1. Asbel Kiprop (Kenya)
2. Silas Kiplagat (Kenya)
3. Nixon Chepseba (Kenya)
4. Nick Willis (New Zealand)
5. Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria)

6. Ayanleh Souleiman (Djibouti)
7. Mekonnen Gebremedhin (Eth)
8. Abdelaati Iguider (Mor)

9. Hamza Driouch (Qatar)
10. Leonel Manzano (USA)
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Master Po » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:40 pm

Perusing the start lists for the first round of this event, and noting the process of advancement (top 6 in each heat Q, plus next 6 fastest times q), and then perusing the 2012 times listed for each athlete...I note, regarding USA entrants:

Manzano is 9th best 2012 "seed time" in his heat; Wheating 10th; Centrowitz 9th.

I know that 2012 SB performances aren't destiny, etc., etc. , but ... looking at all the entrants' 2012 times made me wonder how many of the USA's group will even advance to the semifinal, much less the final. All these guys are capable, but I wonder. I would not be surprised if Wheating does not advance, given his long layoff since last year, his lack of racing this year, injuries, and the fact that he doesn't have all that much international experience in general, relative to others. As for Manzano, I know he's on the formchart, but even with his experience, I don't know. His inconsistency makes me wonder. Centrowitz is of course also young in his int'l career, but his 800m PB last week and my very unscientific sense of his race-smarts gives me more confidence in his advancement. (And as usual, I expect to be wrong on much of this...)
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Randy Treadway » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:43 pm

Chepseba? I'm not puttin' my money on any Kenyan distance runner whose name doesn't start with K. It's a losing proposition.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Alan Shank » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:16 am

Heat 1, like the SC, is loaded, with six PBs under 3:33, compared to three in heat 3.
62, 2:08... >:-)
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby TN1965 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:17 am

Randy Treadway wrote:Chepseba? I'm not puttin' my money on any Kenyan distance runner whose name doesn't start with K. It's a losing proposition.


Uh... who won 1500m in Sydney?
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby EPelle » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:47 am

Olympic Record: 3.32,07, Noah Ngeny, KEN, Sydney 2000

2008 Results: G-Asbel Kiprop, KEN, 3.33,11; S-Nick Willis, NZL, 3.34,16; B-Mehdi Baala, FRA, 3.34,21
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Madd Marine » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:47 am

This kid, and I mean kid (not a 25 yr old Kenyan or Ethiopian "junior") Hamza Driouch looks like the real thing. He's probably a year or two away from taking over the event, but from what I've seen so far, he comes off as a literally can't miss top dog. Wish he'd have been born a couple of years earlier. Maybe it's just me, but for some reason he reminds me of Ryun and El G - like a combination of both of them. I think it's the arm swing at certain angles has me thinking of JR and his smoothness brining back memories of El G.

All that said, looks like it's Kiprop's race to lose, and I wouldn't be surprised if Willis medals again - he had a very strong finish a few weeks back when running his fastest race of the year. He had a lot in the tank. Yeah yeah, Kiplagat has all that potential. But I don't think Kiprop has near lived up to his own potential yet.

If any American is going to snake through and surprise it'll be Centro. Last year I thought it was a waste with him in the worlds. Nope. Had to eat my words. Very savvy runner. Very aware of his surroundings.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Master Po » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:21 pm

madd marine -- agree w your perception of Driouch -- who knows how he will do here, but he seems to have great potential, and also reminds me of Ryun & El G in the way he runs. Also agree w your assessment of Kiprop & Centrowitz. Will be interesting to see how it actually plays out. If I could have it by my preferences (not predictions), it would be Kiprop, Willis, Centrowitz.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby nevetsllim » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:25 pm

Also agree about the similarities with Drouich. The way he won the world junior title was very El Guerrouj-esque (when he didn't have pacemakers in the final, that is)
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby lovetorun » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:23 pm

Now, watch...with no confidence in Mazano justifyably because of his inconsistency...he'll sneek in there with a great kick and surprize...in top 6 somewhere.Centro is not in top shape like last year but I suspect he'll still get in the final and maybe (hopefully) surprize again.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:25 am

Allow me to be the first to express my complete and utter disbelief that a Moroccan distance runner tested positive for a banned substance.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Master Po » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:51 am

MightyBurner wrote:Allow me to be the first to express my complete and utter disbelief that a Moroccan distance runner tested positive for a banned substance.


I'm aware of those disclosed earlier this summer -- Goumri, Selsouli -- and am wondering if you are commenting on someone else, related to this event.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:54 am

Amine Laalou.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Master Po » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:02 am

MightyBurner wrote:Amine Laalou.


Thanks for pointing this out -- link here -- Just announced today, it seems.

http://olympics.runnersworld.com/2012/m ... t-of-olys/
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby EPelle » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:16 am

3.35 first heat. Even pacing. Kiprop second.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:16 am

God, Leo Manzano is infuriating.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby jeremyp » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:17 am

Leo, Leo, Leo! What abysmal tactics. Hint: in semi stay up near the front....all the way.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby EPelle » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:22 am

Wheating can't rely on that tactic in any futher racing. El Guerrouj, Jr. needs some tuning up, too.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:23 am

Wheating's done.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby jeremyp » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:23 am

Wheating 7th but slow heat.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby j-a-m » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:24 am

Difficult to recognize the U.S. runners, wearing all red and no blue. Doesn't help that they are way behind.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:24 am

Didn't expect Wheating to get through given his foot problems. But, when you start out in good position, fight to keep it, don't drop to near last place and expect to blast it. Too many fast guys. Why don't these guys ever seem to learn.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby DecFan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:26 am

jeremyp wrote:Wheating 7th but slow heat.


And did not run through the line!
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:33 am

Wheating looks like he's through. The red shirts are confusing me, I kept thinking a Moroccan was Centrowitz.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby jeremyp » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:34 am

Chepseba tripped and looks like he's out.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:35 am

he doesn't deserve to move on. If he had fallen down, I would have said yes.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Spickard » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:35 am

Will that be chalked up to "just racing" or will there be a Kenyan protest?
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Diego Sahagún » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:36 am

Diego Ruiz is out by 0.01 :(
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby Master Po » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:36 am

MightyBurner wrote:Wheating looks like he's through. The red shirts are confusing me, I kept thinking a Moroccan was Centrowitz.


I think you're correct -- looks like he has the 6th q.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:39 am

Spickard wrote:Will that be chalked up to "just racing" or will there be a Kenyan protest?

I'm almost sure there will be a Kenyan protest, and I'm scared that it will get ugly if it's denied.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby dj » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:47 am

T&FN formchart advancing to semis

1. Asbel Kiprop (Kenya)
2. Silas Kiplagat (Kenya)

3. Nixon Chepseba (Kenya)
4. Nick Willis (New Zealand)
5. Taoufik Makhloufi (Algeria)

6. Ayanleh Souleiman (Djibouti)
7. Mekonnen Gebremedhin (Eth)
8. Abdelaati Iguider (Mor)
9. Hamza Driouch (Qatar)
10. Leonel Manzano (USA)
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby lovetorun » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:07 pm

All 3 USA guys make it thru to semi final...Wheating barely in , but made it.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby MightyBurner » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:27 pm

Chepseba is back in. He shouldn't be.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby Master Po » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:31 pm

MightyBurner wrote:Chepseba is back in. He shouldn't be.


Though I'm not an expert on what the criteria are for advancing a runner on protest, I'm inclined to agree w you. I realize he stumbled a bit on contact with another runner, but it looked really like an ordinary sort of contact, and either no one's fault (or if anyone's, as much Chepseba's as the other guy). Didn't seem worthy of a successful protest. But what do I know?
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby Madd Marine » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:32 pm

MightyBurner wrote:Chepseba is back in. He shouldn't be.


That's for sure. If he were from the US or Europe he'd be out on his luck.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby jeremyp » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:37 pm

Madd Marine wrote:
MightyBurner wrote:Chepseba is back in. He shouldn't be.


That's for sure. If he were from the US or Europe he'd be out on his luck.

Jim Ryun should be pissed.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby hc10003 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:55 pm

MightyBurner wrote:Chepseba is back in. He shouldn't be.


Was someone disqualified? Because if a runner was advanced because he was interfered with, doesn't the 'interferer' by definition have to have committed a disqualifying foul? And if no one committed a disqualifying foul, how can you say Chepseba was a victim of interference, and not just an unfortunate consequence of a tight race? And of course, he could've avoided this by running out front; he chose to hang back in a tight pack, and tactical decisions carry risks and consequences.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby gh » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:57 pm

I can't prove it, but it's my gut feel that the "rules" on advancing downed runners have been greatly liberalized (which is a good thing) since Ryun's day.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby fromage » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:34 pm

Too liberalised by far; in a mid distance race with a large numbers of runners it is always going to involve some unhealthy contact.
Clearly the athletes are not all the same ; if some guy/gal from the back of beyond with no particular reputation got knocked off his/her pace, he /she would not get reinstated imo, despite an appeal. To me its spoiling the races in OG/WC. Part of the skill is keeping out f harms way.
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Re: 2012 OG: m1500–Makhloufi leads Q to semis with 3:35.15

Postby pakillo » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:37 pm

After steeplechase another Spanish debacle , Ruiz, Bustos, Rodriguez- all eliminated!
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