It looked like Talbot couldn't catch Gemili and then Gemili put is hand in a really strange place, as he has a bad shoulder and then panicked and moved it
I'm really excited by him though
He's very mature and he'll do well in the future
That's the disadvantage of putting an athlete who's relatively new to athletics in the relay....
bearraccoon wrote:Prediction for final. Jamaica wins in 37.02 WR. USA 2nd in 37.18.
Jamaica's going 36 tomorrow,and the USA team might as well.
I will be at the Olympic stadium today, and I don't care if it's a WR or not...I just want to see gold. This American team is a pretty decent one, and I'm nervous....
Pelpa wrote:Might have been covered earlier, but wouldn't it be a gamble to put a 9.80 Tyson recovering from surgery and who hasn't run a serious 200 all season on 3rd to compete against a 9.75 19.44 Blake?
It should be a much closer race in the final than most probably though before these semis. Considering the difference of speed that Gay and Baliey have over Patton and Demps, then adding Bolt to the Jamaican team, it almost certain they will both go sub 36, the question is by how much...
uakari wrote:amazing tom hammond, managed to miss japan in the 2nd heat, which finished 2nd, as he's rattling off 3 or 4 of the other teams.
I've been fortunate enough to miss the amazing Tom Hammond and NBC in favor of British Eurosport, thankfully. I would imagine Tom has missed pretty much the whole competition despite his favorite listing of "key qualifiers".
NBC is pretty pleased, it would seem, with poor quality, ineptitude.
Even with knowing before hand what will happen Hammond seems clueless. NBC is so used to incompetence it wouldn't know good quality if it kicked them in the Arse.
I've watched the live stream on the NBC site, thankfully they are using some other commentators.
DJG wrote:Even with knowing before hand what will happen Hammond seems clueless. NBC is so used to incompetence it wouldn't know good quality if it kicked them in the Arse.
I've watched the live stream on the NBC site, thankfully they are using some other commentators.
You're implying that Hammond and Boldon are doing voice-overs, but that's just speculative. Perhaps gh can clear this up.
By the way, did you notice where Jeter placed her go mark? It was right on top of her and a lot closer than all the other go-marks, but luckily she ignored it and left early, otherwise Knight would have run past her and the third exchange would have been terrible.
DJG wrote:Even with knowing before hand what will happen Hammond seems clueless. NBC is so used to incompetence it wouldn't know good quality if it kicked them in the Arse.
I've watched the live stream on the NBC site, thankfully they are using some other commentators.
You're implying that Hammond and Boldon are doing voice-overs, but that's just speculative. Perhaps gh can clear this up.
By the way, did you notice where Jeter placed her go mark? It was right on top of her and a lot closer than all the other go-marks, but luckily she ignored it and left early, otherwise Knight would have run past her and the third exchange would have been terrible.
JC, I did. Maybe Jeter mis-counted her steps (does happen) or more likely they just wanted the baton in her hand ASAP. Definitely like the 2-pt stances from the outgoing runners. If Felix and Jeter had run the prelim, adjustments can be made and both those passes get much better.
While looking at how much the old record was broken by (.55 sec) people should keep in mind that it should have been broken three times since '85 - 41.2, 41.14, 40.94 in the normal progression of things.
DJG wrote:JC, I did. Maybe Jeter mis-counted her steps (does happen) or more likely they just wanted the baton in her hand ASAP. Definitely like the 2-pt stances from the outgoing runners. If Felix and Jeter had run the prelim, adjustments can be made and both those passes get much better.
While looking at how much the old record was broken by (.55 sec) people should keep in mind that it should have been broken three times since '85 - 41.2, 41.14, 40.94 in the normal progression of things.
I'm thinking Drummond wanted to go really conservative and Jeter put the mark where she was instructed to, but once the race started she said, "Screw him, we're gonna run fast today". If that's the case, Drummond is getting more credit than he deserves.
There are pluses and minuses with the two-point stance. The three point stance is faster, but the two-point stance reduces the opportunities for mishaps. I think the same runners who ran yesterday are probably capable of running 40.5-40.6 by stretching the 1st and 3rd exchanges a little more and using three-point stances.
DJG wrote:JC, I did. Maybe Jeter mis-counted her steps (does happen) or more likely they just wanted the baton in her hand ASAP. Definitely like the 2-pt stances from the outgoing runners. If Felix and Jeter had run the prelim, adjustments can be made and both those passes get much better.
While looking at how much the old record was broken by (.55 sec) people should keep in mind that it should have been broken three times since '85 - 41.2, 41.14, 40.94 in the normal progression of things.
I'm thinking Drummond wanted to go really conservative and Jeter put the mark where she was instructed to, but once the race started she said, "Screw him, we're gonna run fast today". If that's the case, Drummond is getting more credit than he deserves.
There are pluses and minuses with the two-point stance. The three point stance is faster, but the two-point stance reduces the opportunities for mishaps. I think the same runners who ran yesterday are probably capable of running 40.5-40.6 by stretching the 1st and 3rd exchanges a little more and using three-point stances.
The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
Pelpa wrote:Might have been covered earlier, but wouldn't it be a gamble to put a 9.80 Tyson recovering from surgery and who hasn't run a serious 200 all season on 3rd to compete against a 9.75 19.44 Blake?
Isn't Drummond scared he blows out a tyre?
In this gun fight no one wants to win a silver or bronze.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
We take enough risk using two-subs, we don't need to compound those risks with more risks on the exchanges.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
We take enough risk using two-subs, we don't need to compound those risks with more risks on the exchanges.
Did you know that the French also used the two-point stance when they set the world record in 1990?
ATK wrote:It should be a much closer race in the final than most probably though before these semis. Considering the difference of speed that Gay and Baliey have over Patton and Demps, then adding Bolt to the Jamaican team, it almost certain they will both go sub 36, the question is by how much...
Yeah, if all the exchanges are fine, then sub-37 seems possible for both teams.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
We take enough risk using two-subs, we don't need to compound those risks with more risks on the exchanges.
Did you know that the French also used the two-point stance when they set the world record in 1990?
If the French knew, it must be right. Please don't start with the underpass stuff, not Now, please!!!!!
I'm wary of Blake having been used in the semi-final. Yes he did not press but that is one more race in legs that must be tired. I would have been far happier if Riley or Weir had been used and Blake rested for the final along with Bolt.
And I may be the only one advocating for Bolt to be on the third leg instead of anchor but I still feel that leg three is where he can make the biggest contribution.
We shall see. I hope all teams pass the baton because I want a good race.
toyracer wrote:And I may be the only one advocating for Bolt to be on the third leg instead of anchor but I still feel that leg three is where he can make the biggest contribution.
I Agree.
Could there have been some IAAF politics involved? The first year that the schedule is changed, Bolt begins to anchor the team.
toyracer wrote:And I may be the only one advocating for Bolt to be on the third leg instead of anchor but I still feel that leg three is where he can make the biggest contribution.
I Agree.
Does he have practice doing both exchanges; in other words, for how long has he only been running anchor?
toyracer wrote:And I may be the only one advocating for Bolt to be on the third leg instead of anchor but I still feel that leg three is where he can make the biggest contribution.
I Agree.
Does he have practice doing both exchanges; in other words, for how long has he only been running anchor?
Daegu was the first time. Before that Berlin and Beijing he was 3rd, Osaka he was 2nd. He never ran a major relay before that.
Bad move! Bailey on anchor? Even 5m down, Bolt will rip his heart out and feed it to his dog! And there's a reason why Gay hasn't run a 200 in a long time (the turn is where he tore his hammy).
