¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) NR


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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby Jackaloupe » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:17 am

Que envidia (envy)! It was that Opener that did it: Put the pressure on the rest, who are not responding, in fact pressing, esp. V who seemed to have his upper body way ahead of plant. His distances are actually declining, barely over 80m. He could well come thru on this final throw, but doubtful.
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby j-a-m » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:20 am

Potentially two medalists from outside the formchart.
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby j-a-m » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:26 am

shivfan wrote:I am in the stadium and loving every minute of walcotts performance....
:)

And he wins gold.
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby croflash » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:28 am

Most shocking Olympic Champion in T&F since?
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:31 am

Congratulations to Keshorn Walcott on his historic gold medal.

The Caribbean nations continue to show why the Olympics shouldn't allow charity cases.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby shivfan » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:38 am

Most of the crowd didnt even notice...
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby gm » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:46 am

Shortest winning throw since 1988, but certainly the most wonderful!
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby DentyCracker » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:47 am

shivfan wrote:Most of the crowd didnt even notice...
:|

World Junior champ and Olympic Champ in the space of a month. He must think he's dreaming.
Big up to the young man. His brother is a good TJer
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby t_monk » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:50 am

BIGGEST UPSET OF THE MEET!!!!! GOOOOO TRINIDAD & TOBAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby pakillo » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:56 am

croflash wrote:Most shocking Olympic Champion in T&F since?

Thorkildsen in Athens? Merah-Benida in Sydney?
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Don't understand how the rest of the world permits Trinidad to dominate in this event.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby errolM » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:30 pm

Trinidad win the javelin gold.

No matter how often I say that, it still sounds absolutely too far-fetched for words.

Marvellous stuff - delighted for the young man.

T&T's second Olympic gold. Ever. In anything. Move over Hasley :D :D :D
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby mcgato » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:38 pm

Anybody have Walcott picked for a medal in any of the contests? Great day for him. Good on T&T.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby j-a-m » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:43 pm

mcgato wrote:Anybody have Walcott picked for a medal in any of the contests? Great day for him. Good on T&T.

Agreed.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby croflash » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:45 pm

mcgato wrote:Anybody have Walcott picked for a medal in any of the contests? Great day for him. Good on T&T.


Nobody picked Walcott for any medal at atletiektoto.nl. Not one single person.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Alan Shank » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:51 pm

Really poor throwing, but not without precedent:

'87 83.54,82.52,82.20 (Zelezny)
'88 84.28,84.12 (Zelezny), 83.26

Still, whoda thunk nobody would throw 85?
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby cladthin » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:52 pm

One of the best stories of these games-possibly the best? Anyone know who the coach is, where he's from? I know T & T has a rich tradition in the javelin but this performance did not just happen.
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby Jackaloupe » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:57 pm

OmiGod, Walcott's done it! V. finally got off a good throw, >84 but only good for 4th. Ukraine had one last good shot, but his foot went into the bucket; still ~84. Walcott, who'd been slipping, himself pressing, passed last throw.

New whirled order, eh?

Oops, this Post, typed at the moment of victory, got shunted aside. Sorry,
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Jackaloupe » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:02 pm

Really poor throwing, but not without precedent:

Maybe in absolute terms, but we're still waiting to hear more about the wind. In any case, you could see that few were hitting it low, as needed. Then there's the effect of that stunning opener of Walcott's--which he even managed to improve on w/ his 2nd throw, just enough to stay ahead of the Ukrainian, who came close to hitting a winner on his final throw.

Thorkildsen seemed to float high off the ground on his final effort. As said earlier, all were pressing--fatal in Javelin, if not all Field events.

BTW, After the event V. made a show of uncovering, and displaying his severely wrapped (plant?) ankle. Not just regular tape, but 'medical' elastic wrap.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby croflash » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:14 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:Really poor throwing, but not without precedent:

Maybe in absolute terms, but we're still waiting to hear more about the wind. In any case, you could see that few were hitting it low, as needed. Then there's the effect of that stunning opener of Walcott's--which he even managed to improve on w/ his 2nd throw, just enough to stay ahead of the Ukrainian.

BTW, After the event V. made a show of uncovering, and displaying his severely wrapped (plant?) ankle. Not just regular tape, but 'medical' elastic wrap.


If 84.58 is considered "stunning", then it simply reiterates the poor overall standard and quality this season. The competition was the crapshoot a lot of people expected well before the qualification took place, but I'm not sure anyone would have guessed the result was going to be this shocking.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby user4 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:51 pm

This is a great great story!.. Keshorn Walcott !
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby Randy Treadway » Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:56 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:The Caribbean nations continue to show why the Olympics shouldn't allow charity cases.


I may agree about charity cases, but I don't understand a connection to Caribbean nations.

Actually, I'm all for something that will never happen--- ditch the national affiliations completely, other than for relays. Anybody with the "A" standard gets in, period.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby andyjgt » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:01 pm

TRINIDAD WON OLYMPIC GOLD AT A THROWING EVENT...

How did it happen?!
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby andyjgt » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:02 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:Really poor throwing, but not without precedent:

Maybe in absolute terms, but we're still waiting to hear more about the wind. In any case, you could see that few were hitting it low, as needed. Then there's the effect of that stunning opener of Walcott's--which he even managed to improve on w/ his 2nd throw, just enough to stay ahead of the Ukrainian, who came close to hitting a winner on his final throw.

Thorkildsen seemed to float high off the ground on his final effort. As said earlier, all were pressing--fatal in Javelin, if not all Field events.

BTW, After the event V. made a show of uncovering, and displaying his severely wrapped (plant?) ankle. Not just regular tape, but 'medical' elastic wrap.


At least you know how to spell Ukrainian.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Marlow » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:11 pm

This is AWESOME!!!

In the NBC interview he said he just wanted to make the finals!

The bad news is that from now on all we're gonna hear on this board is how awesome the T&T Javelinists are compared to the USA! Smack talk on every thread! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby AS » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:24 pm

1952... last Olympics at which a European thrower did NOT win javelin gold!

1972... last Olympics at which European throwers did NOT win all three javelin medals!
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby CookyMonzta » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:34 pm

croflash wrote:Most shocking Olympic Champion in T&F since?

Paraskevi Patoulidou, when Gail Devers went down in the w100H in Barcelona 1992.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby CookyMonzta » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:37 pm

andyjgt wrote:TRINIDAD WON OLYMPIC GOLD AT A THROWING EVENT...

How did it happen?!

I am not shocked. Laverne Eve from Bahamas was an excellent javelin thrower in her prime, maybe half a level short of the elite, but always good enough to win a big one.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Per Andersen » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:16 pm

CookyMonzta wrote:
andyjgt wrote:TRINIDAD WON OLYMPIC GOLD AT A THROWING EVENT...

How did it happen?!

I am not shocked. Laverne Eve from Bahamas was an excellent javelin thrower in her prime, maybe half a level short of the elite, but always good enough to win a big one.

I'm not shocked at all. I believe I called it a couple of days ago :lol:
Kidding aside. This guy is not bad. but the world's supposed elite was pathetic. Hard to understand.

The only thing I did not mind was Ruuskanen winning bronze. First Olympic medal for Finland? Not sure.

Thorkildsen might be done for the season. He will decide later this week. He's lost now. Something new went wrong in every throw. Last year he could almost stumble his way to a 85m.

Yes, they threw that kind of distances in 1987 and 1988 but that just after the "new" javelin was introduced.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Jackaloupe » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:16 pm

the world's supposed elite was pathetic. Hard to understand.

Still awaiting information on wind conditions, viz. whether they were varying or constant. As I posted earlier, few seemed to keep it low as called for by the headwind.

Vesely's opening throw, some pathetic 70m or below, looked like a classic case of "blowback", but he may've been testing that tender ankle (revealed after competition ended when he (intentionally?) showed off that ACE bandage.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby lionelp1 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:55 pm

Marlow wrote:This is AWESOME!!!

In the NBC interview he said he just wanted to make the finals!

The bad news is that from now on all we're gonna hear on this board is how awesome the T&T Javelinists are compared to the USA! Smack talk on every thread! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Rather sneering, but then how many 84 m Javelin throwers have you in your populous country. Well done, 19 y.o. Walcott from little Trinidad, World Junior Champ and OG Gold.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby Marlow » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:35 am

lionelp1 wrote:Rather sneering, but then how many 84 m Javelin throwers have you in your populous country.

Four
91.29 Breaux Greer
89.16 Tom Petranoff
87.12 Tom Pukstys
84.20 Mike Barnett

but I think you misunderstood my joke (sic). It wasn't about the . . . JAVELIN. :wink:
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:40 am

andyjgt wrote:TRINIDAD WON OLYMPIC GOLD AT A THROWING EVENT...

How did it happen?!

A few years ago, Caribbean kids found out that there's more to track and field than sprinting (eg. Kenia Sinclair, Maurice Smith, Donald Thomas, etc.}.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby gm » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:49 am

cladthin wrote:One of the best stories of these games-possibly the best? Anyone know who the coach is, where he's from? I know T & T has a rich tradition in the javelin but this performance did not just happen.


His coach is a Cuban gent named Ismael Mastrapa
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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby gh » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:18 am

Randy Treadway wrote:Maybe this slipped under the radar....

none of the three Latvians made the final. This, the country of the great Janis Lusis, voted by the IAAF as the Greatest Javelin Thrower of All Time. (I guess that's GJTOAT :lol: ), and a traditional hotbed of javelin throwers.

Finland looks somewhat down too, but at least they'll have a shot in the finals.


When did the IAAF say that? (Indeed, when they ever take a stance of crowning anybody as a GOAT?)
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

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Re: 2012 OG: mJT–Vesely (Cze) leads Q at (88.34) 289-10 WL

Postby lapsus » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:10 pm

gh wrote:
Randy Treadway wrote:Maybe this slipped under the radar....

none of the three Latvians made the final. This, the country of the great Janis Lusis, voted by the IAAF as the Greatest Javelin Thrower of All Time. (I guess that's GJTOAT :lol: ), and a traditional hotbed of javelin throwers.

Finland looks somewhat down too, but at least they'll have a shot in the finals.


When did the IAAF say that? (Indeed, when they ever take a stance of crowning anybody as a GOAT?)

In 1987, according to Wikipedia. Couldn't find a better reference on the Internet, so I don't know if it is true or not.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby uakari » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:54 pm

walcott probably trains in the US?

btw, kenya had a decent m200 sprinter in the 90's, right?
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby preston » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:05 pm

uakari wrote:walcott probably trains in the US?

btw, kenya had a decent m200 sprinter in the 90's, right?

Trains in the US with a Cuban coach? Not likely. And, with the recent "success" of American Javelin throwers he's better off in Trinidad.
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Re: ¶2012 OG: mJT–Keshorn Walcott (Trinidad) 277-6 (84.58) N

Postby cladthin » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:24 am

gm wrote:
cladthin wrote:One of the best stories of these games-possibly the best? Anyone know who the coach is, where he's from? I know T & T has a rich tradition in the javelin but this performance did not just happen.


His coach is a Cuban gent named Ismael Mastrapa


Yep, I just saw this yestereday.

http://www.elitetrack.com/blogs/details/7268/
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