EPelle wrote:Felix's sixth sub-22,00, equals her 3rd-fastest career 200m (Stockholm, 2009). First season in Felix's storied career that she has twice broken 22,00 in the same season.
I haven't gone through all the post to see if anyone has corrected your posting but where you get six sub-22 clocking last time I check it was five once 2007: her then PB 21.81 In Osaka once 2008: 21.93 behind VCB 21.74 in Beijing Once 2009: 21.88 in Stockholm Twice 2012: Her astonishing 21.69 @ the US Trials & her second best of 21.88 for the Olympic gold!
TrackFan4Ever wrote:Like I said, you are a dunce! Enjoy the shoe leather that Allyson is making you eat.
I suggest you read up on that idiom. I'm not sure stating facts meets the criteria...
Will do! Good to know that based upon your facts that VCB has lost years in the 200 since 2009 and that SRR also has lost years in the 400 since 2007. It is amazing what people can accomplish during lost years!
@tracknut I have to agree with you on this. It's the first time that I recalled VCB running all three rounds of the 100m and her start was not atrocious! He certainly deserves some credit! I know many fans would be disgruntled that VCB did not medal in the 200m but this is track and field you win some you loose some and who knows when VCB has be defeated she comes back stronger and ferocious than before!
TrackFan4Ever wrote:Good to know that based upon your facts.... SRR also has lost years in the 400 since 2007.
I dont think Richards-Ross would argue with that. Fortunately, her health issue was finally correctly diagnosed last fall and she was able to have arguably the best overall season of her career this year.
skiboo wrote:First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
skiboo wrote:First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
There was a strong headwind, I was told.
Wind was slight -0.2
In Eugene, she had a week break between the 100 and the 200m.
TrackFan4Ever wrote: So now 2008 through 2011 were lost years for Felix.
From an improvement standpoint, yes(not to mention one individual gold in three championship meets).
This isn't fair.
Felix ran under 21 for the first time after Osaka in 2008. Ran under 11 for the first time in 2008. And ran under 50 for the first time since 2007, in 2008.
2009, she won the W gold.
2010, she focused primarily on the 400m and won every race she competed in, without putting forth maximum effort. She also won the 100m title at US champs.
2011, she ran under 50 2 or 3 times and broke her 400m pr from Stockholm, losing to Montsho by a hair for the gold. She was back on the track the next day after, too. And very narrowly lost the silver to Jeter.
These were all prime improvement years for Felix as a sprinter. All of those years are the reason she's as good as she is today.
I'll never understand why Americans take their uberly successful and talented sprinters for a pile of dust. I still wish Nicola gave a toss about getting back to peak form. Be thankful
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EPelle wrote:Felix's sixth sub-22,00, equals her 3rd-fastest career 200m (Stockholm, 2009). First season in Felix's storied career that she has twice broken 22,00 in the same season.
I haven't gone through all the post to see if anyone has corrected your posting but where you get six sub-22 clocking last time I check it was five once 2007: her then PB 21.81 In Osaka once 2008: 21.93 behind VCB 21.74 in Beijing Once 2009: 21.88 in Stockholm Twice 2012: Her astonishing 21.69 @ the US Trials & her second best of 21.88 for the Olympic gold!
She ran 21.82 at the US Olympic trials in 2008, though I'm not completely sure if it was legal...
EPelle wrote:Felix's sixth sub-22,00, equals her 3rd-fastest career 200m (Stockholm, 2009). First season in Felix's storied career that she has twice broken 22,00 in the same season.
I haven't gone through all the post to see if anyone has corrected your posting but where you get six sub-22 clocking last time I check it was five once 2007: her then PB 21.81 In Osaka once 2008: 21.93 behind VCB 21.74 in Beijing Once 2009: 21.88 in Stockholm Twice 2012: Her astonishing 21.69 @ the US Trials & her second best of 21.88 for the Olympic gold!
She ran 21.82 at the US Olympic trials in 2008, though I'm not completely sure if it was legal...
Check the wind reading, it was wind assisted. Ask all the expert analysts or statistician. As a matter of fact, here is the verification look under the wind assisted listing for the 200m http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists ... etail.html
ChuiTai wrote:Well I hope Richards-Ross can make the best out of a two-day recovery process for the long relay. Haven't a clue on the magnitude of fitness deficit from the last six days.
My colleague determined from his on-site recording that Felix took approximately five fewer steps than Fraser-Pryce in the final 100m with a 0.13 difference in time. Since I was told the recording was @ 60Hz, no doubt its' accuracy is very questionable. Hope to see an IAAF analysis similar to '08 on these sprint races.
60Hz is way more than enough to count the number of steps an athlete takes.
I agree. I was thinking more of the time difference.
Congratulations to Allyson!! Well deserved gold for her to cap off a great year! Congrats also to SAFP and Carmelita. Both surprised me a bit, but earned their medals as well.
At 30, I'm not sure VCB can continue to double much longer. Maybe for next year's WC, but beyond that she might be better served by focusing on one event. She clearly did not have her usual strength for the 200. Both Allyson and Jeter were ahead of her off the curve, and SAFP quickly passed her as soon as they hit the straight.
I'm hoping that Allyson focuses on the 400 for next year, just to see what she can do with it without worrying about anything else.
skiboo wrote:First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
First of all, don't pay attention to times clocked in Eugene...they have as much credibility as times clocked in Rieti. So, 21.6x was never really on the cards, despite what you might read on this thread. I thought Felix ran well to win in 21.88, and that's a winning time in London.
Secondly, she's new to the 100m, and not as good at it as she is the 200m, so her times are going to be inconsistent in the 100m, and not comparable to the 200m.
jamal00005 wrote:I just heard lance mention something along the lines about VCB thinking of retirement and i was a bit shocked because VCB should now be looking forward to Moscow to retaining her 200m world tittle
I doubt that, VCB will bounce back at worlds.She said once she stop winning medals she will retire. She won a bronze in the 100 and is still world champion.I am sure she will go back to the drawing board and work on whatever needs fixing. Again congrats to Allsyon
I doubt it too....
VCB can still earn decent money on the Diamond League circuit, and as long as she can do so, we'll see her running. That said, we may just have seen the best years of VCB's career....
guru wrote:Well one thing's for sure - it's a good thing Felix skipped the 400. That very well may have made the difference in holding back SAFP in the 200
One thing's also for sure: Good thing Felix tried that double last year. She's never run faster. That endurance gain may very well have made the difference in this break-through year.
It seems to me that SAFP is a much more complete sprinter than she used to be. I think that the SAFP of prior years would not have hung on as well as she did in the 100, and hence her win (I remember her having a (much?) bigger early margin last time) despite a more narrow start margin.
She clearly has got something different because no only did she not start fading at 120, she really was not fading to anyone except possibly Felix at 185m. People might remember that I have been critical to some Jamaican posters about her but she has shown more the second half of this season than I expected, which is why I thought she was the 100 fav and a threat in the 200.
As for questioning Felix with 'only' a 21.88 (vis a vis Eugene's 21.69), not wind was not quite as good, the weather likewise, and she hard more rest there. In addition, look at what VCB and Jeter ran in the Final compared to the semi with only the top two looking better.
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EPelle wrote:Felix's sixth sub-22,00, equals her 3rd-fastest career 200m (Stockholm, 2009). First season in Felix's storied career that she has twice broken 22,00 in the same season.
I haven't gone through all the post to see if anyone has corrected your posting but where you get six sub-22 clocking last time I check it was five once 2007: her then PB 21.81 In Osaka once 2008: 21.93 behind VCB 21.74 in Beijing Once 2009: 21.88 in Stockholm Twice 2012: Her astonishing 21.69 @ the US Trials & her second best of 21.88 for the Olympic gold!
She ran 21.82 at the US Olympic trials in 2008, though I'm not completely sure if it was legal...
It was five. Thank you. I made a mistake. Appreciate the correction.
skiboo wrote:First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
Horridly inconsistent. Interesting viewpoint.
I'd like to understand how one becomes horridly inconsistent (despite running their second-fastest global championships time) from your perspective. Can you please help me understand what criteria you use to judge Felix against her predecessors? I'd like to understand why I object to this sentiment.
If you compare Felix to those past stars who ran sub-22 at the USAOT (the common denominator) then went on to both win and run sub-22 at the Olympics, you'll discover, remarkably enough, that Felix is on par or ahead.
Or, to simplify things, compare Felix to previous OT winners. See if she's was faster or slower in London than the previous USA Olympic Trials winners.
The only real, valid data to work with is comparing Felix to Felix in 2008. It's the only venue where the OT's were contested at the same venue. There, Felix ran with an assisted wind. And, she didn't win the OG. Felix in 2012 slowed against the OT, but won the OG. Every athlete (save one) in the London final behind Felix ran slower than their best times.
I'm not seeing the horrid inconsistency. Perhaps my vision is weakening.
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This one was an easy one to pick. Glad Felix won. She has easily been the best 200m runner this season and anything less than Gold would have been disappointing. Thought VCB would have challenged through the line but she really hasn't had a good season. Shelly is in fine form and if she works on this event she could become as dominant as Felix is.
Well well well, VCB fans are up in arms about Kerron running anchor.Jeter is going to blaze pass Kerro, what is Jamaica thinking? kerron didn't even make it to the 100 finals.Why would you replace the best anchor that Jamaica has for a lame Kerron? Jeter is going to blow Kerron away and open up the gap more on Kerron.VCB is a fighter and always close the gap whenever she is running anchor.Don't feed me that busllshit about vcb is the best turn runner. You need someone who can hang in there with Jeter on anchor, Kerron is not in form to run anybody down or even keep up with the other ladies. I hope Jamaica come to their senses and put back the queen on anchor. All of vcb fans are cussing. Put back vcb on anchor or else JAMAICA will be running for bronze
This is what a fan on facebook have to say about the matter
Gregg I agree so much with you. Why put Kerron on anchor. Kerron is not up to any scratch right now at all!! Yes Jeter will kill her on the field. Gregg everything surrounding our athletes, our camp is very fishy right now to me. It is putting me in a frame of mind if big money a run to keep down our athletes. Look at the kind of decisions being made by the JAAA management team. I don't want to sound like my brain gone off but I would a swear there is a sell-out somewhere, I could be wrong but I just can't shake the feeling.. Chat Conversation End
The J'can Camp for this Olympics I must is made up of some coaches whose brains are apparently saw dust. How can you give Veronica third leg and making Kerron run against Jeter? Do you guys really want the Gold or just settling for Silver AGAIN? Remember Kerron was the cause we had a baton change prob in '08 and now we want her to anchor us to Bronze. This Olympics I will just not understand.
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