running4life wrote:omg kerron is going to Anchor the 4x100 WTF? Kerron can't even make it in the 100 meters finals how the hell can she run down Jeter? Even if Jamaica gives her a lead Jeter is going to run her ass down.Who the hell idea was it to put vcb on third leg? They just gave away another gold.Vbc is the best anchor Jamaiac has and they are willing to risk a gold medal with Kerron who sisn't even 60%? You can always leave it up to the Jamaicans to fuck things up
VCB is the best curve runner JA has.... Kerron has to be on the team.... And that is the ONLY leg I would put Kerron on.
SAFP - SS - VCB - KS is the best line up we can give at this point....
Dude I am so pissed off right now and trying not to lose my cool. Dude Keron was can't even make it to the 100 finals why the hell would they place her on anchor? VCB is the best anchor Jamaica has and they are putting a lame Kerron on anchor? Jeter is going to wipe the floor with Kerron.Vcb is a fighter and will run her ass off no matter where she gets the baton. Even if Kerron gets a lead Jeter is going to sail pass her for the gold. It's like Jamaica is saying here is the gold take it. What a stupid ass move. And Kerron ass knows she is not a great anchor her ass is being selfish.I cant wait for Jeter to stomp on her and then they will leave vcb on anchor until she retires.
Isn't the lineup being reacted to here simply an opinion?
jamal00005 wrote:As a VCB fan can't say that im not dissapointed but congrats to Felix on her victory and well done to SAFP and Jeter for their respective medals .
Yes,only now will I accept the fact that VCB has finally been defeated in the 200M.She is Olympic & World Champion.Now we can say VCB did'nt win,Congrats to Allyson Felix who has worked hard for her success,coming out of High school to turn pro.The first to do so.
running4life wrote:omg kerron is going to Anchor the 4x100 WTF? Kerron can't even make it in the 100 meters finals how the hell can she run down Jeter? Even if Jamaica gives her a lead Jeter is going to run her ass down.Who the hell idea was it to put vcb on third leg? They just gave away another gold.Vbc is the best anchor Jamaiac has and they are willing to risk a gold medal with Kerron who sisn't even 60%? You can always leave it up to the Jamaicans to fuck things up
VCB is the best curve runner JA has.... Kerron has to be on the team.... And that is the ONLY leg I would put Kerron on.
SAFP - SS - VCB - KS is the best line up we can give at this point....
Dude I am so pissed off right now and trying not to lose my cool. Dude Keron was can't even make it to the 100 finals why the hell would they place her on anchor? VCB is the best anchor Jamaica has and they are putting a lame Kerron on anchor? Jeter is going to wipe the floor with Kerron.Vcb is a fighter and will run her ass off no matter where she gets the baton. Even if Kerron gets a lead Jeter is going to sail pass her for the gold. It's like Jamaica is saying here is the gold take it. What a stupid ass move. And Kerron ass knows she is not a great anchor her ass is being selfish.I cant wait for Jeter to stomp on her and then they will leave vcb on anchor until she retires.
@ running for life you are to dramatic LOOL what ever happens let it be i really dont know how those relay legs will work out but i will go ahead and say that kerron can be ran down by jeter but if she has a great lead i think she can possibly hold off jeter
running4life wrote:Any real coach would have told her to do this. I mean if your going to double at lease do some 400s.VCB couldn't even break a 22.30 for heaven sakes.Omar should never have been near her training muchless coaching. I know I am going over board but a 22.10 use to be cake walk for vcb. Damn fool to make her husband trained her.I would have rather her not show up for the 200 instead of running a amature 22.38 in a finals.She knew damn well she wasn't in great shape that why she wouldn't answer any questions about the 200. Anyways done with my rant, she is still my queen
Veronica has run relatively poor 200s in other global meets; in 2005, she was 4th in 22.38, and in 2007 she ran 22.34 for silver, but .53 behind Allyson. Here 21.74 in Beijing was an outlier for her. She will be 31 next year, but Jeter is even older, so I don't think VCB should be written off in the deuce. Cheers, Alan Shank
t_monk wrote:I think people are being too hard on VCB... She is allowed to have an off season... As much as I might not support her decision(s) at time, I must respect them...
I would hope that she gets it together in the years to come... If she intends to be a force in the 200 she is going to need step it up... We now have a 5 woman battle in the 200 at this point at the majors... one woman clearly out front and 4 women chasing her.... Of the 4 women... VCB is has the best chance of toppling Felix...
I agree she is allowed to go home without a medal in the 200m she gave it her all and that is good enough for me .So onto the relays and we'll see what fortune they bring
running4life wrote:omg kerron is going to Anchor the 4x100 WTF? Kerron can't even make it in the 100 meters finals how the hell can she run down Jeter? Even if Jamaica gives her a lead Jeter is going to run her ass down.Who the hell idea was it to put vcb on third leg? They just gave away another gold.Vbc is the best anchor Jamaiac has and they are willing to risk a gold medal with Kerron who sisn't even 60%? You can always leave it up to the Jamaicans to fuck things up
VCB is the best curve runner JA has.... Kerron has to be on the team.... And that is the ONLY leg I would put Kerron on.
SAFP - SS - VCB - KS is the best line up we can give at this point....
Dude I am so pissed off right now and trying not to lose my cool. Dude Keron was can't even make it to the 100 finals why the hell would they place her on anchor? VCB is the best anchor Jamaica has and they are putting a lame Kerron on anchor? Jeter is going to wipe the floor with Kerron.Vcb is a fighter and will run her ass off no matter where she gets the baton. Even if Kerron gets a lead Jeter is going to sail pass her for the gold. It's like Jamaica is saying here is the gold take it. What a stupid ass move. And Kerron ass knows she is not a great anchor her ass is being selfish.I cant wait for Jeter to stomp on her and then they will leave vcb on anchor until she retires.
@ running for life you are to dramatic LOOL what ever happens let it be i really dont know how those relay legs will work out but i will go ahead and say that kerron can be ran down by jeter but if she has a great lead i think she can possibly hold off jeter
With Allyson on second leg, Jamaica ain't getting no lead.USA will have a lead and Jeter will be gone like a ghost once she gets the baton. Kerron shouldn't be anywhere near the anchor and that is the honest truth.If this was old Kerron then yes but lame Kerron hell no. I will be right here on friday to say I told you so.
Where's Track Daddy? Sanya didn't have a bad Olympics by any means, but certainly not close to what TD was crowing about. After the OT, I never saw her as a medalist in the 2. Her win in the 400 was not as impressive as in Berlin, either, both timewise and margin-wise (.32 in Berlin).
She will be ready, though, for her usual outstanding relay leg, I assume. Maybe she will drop a sub-49 or two in the remaining DL meets. Cheers, Alan Shank
@ running for life - Even when we put VCB on anchor (she is the best anchor Jamaica has since she does not give up and always tries to run down ppl ) the Americans might have a bigger advantage since Stewart will have to resort to running second , where Allyson will trump her and then their third leg will still trump Simpson who will handover to VCB who then, will end up with a timultious task
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - Even when we put VCB on anchor (she is the best anchor Jamaica has since she does not give up and always tries to run down ppl ) the Americans might have a bigger advantage since Stewart will have to resort to running second , where Allyson will trump her and then their third leg will still trump Simpson who will handover to VCB who then, will end up with a timultious task
Ok great point there, I didn't see it that way but Jeter is going to win by a mile where as vcb always close the gap somewhat
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - Even when we put VCB on anchor (she is the best anchor Jamaica has since she does not give up and always tries to run down ppl ) the Americans might have a bigger advantage since Stewart will have to resort to running second , where Allyson will trump her and then their third leg will still trump Simpson who will handover to VCB who then, will end up with a timultious task
Ok great point there, I didn't see it that way but Jeter is going to win by a mile where as vcb always close the gap somewhat
well it's true VCB always makes me feel better when we place second in a relay because of the effort she gives
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - Even when we put VCB on anchor (she is the best anchor Jamaica has since she does not give up and always tries to run down ppl ) the Americans might have a bigger advantage since Stewart will have to resort to running second , where Allyson will trump her and then their third leg will still trump Simpson who will handover to VCB who then, will end up with a timultious task
Ok great point there, I didn't see it that way but Jeter is going to win by a mile where as vcb always close the gap somewhat
well it's true VCB always makes me feel better when we place second in a relay because of the effort she gives
This is so true.I am now over the shock and looking forward to indoors lol
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - Even when we put VCB on anchor (she is the best anchor Jamaica has since she does not give up and always tries to run down ppl ) the Americans might have a bigger advantage since Stewart will have to resort to running second , where Allyson will trump her and then their third leg will still trump Simpson who will handover to VCB who then, will end up with a timultious task
Ok great point there, I didn't see it that way but Jeter is going to win by a mile where as vcb always close the gap somewhat
well it's true VCB always makes me feel better when we place second in a relay because of the effort she gives
This is so true.I am now over the shock and looking forward to indoors lol
First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
Tuariki wrote:It was great to watch Felix win so convincingly and so predictably. What was frustrating is to have to listen to the idiots we have commentating for New Zealand TV. And to quote "The Amecican girl Felix has upset the more favoured Carmelita Jeter".
You should be more pissed off that fox news featured srr this morning and did not even hint at the existence of af
running4life wrote:omg kerron is going to Anchor the 4x100 WTF? Kerron can't even make it in the 100 meters finals how the hell can she run down Jeter? Even if Jamaica gives her a lead Jeter is going to run her ass down.Who the hell idea was it to put vcb on third leg? They just gave away another gold.Vbc is the best anchor Jamaiac has and they are willing to risk a gold medal with Kerron who sisn't even 60%? You can always leave it up to the Jamaicans to fuck things up
VCB is the best curve runner JA has.... Kerron has to be on the team.... And that is the ONLY leg I would put Kerron on.
SAFP - SS - VCB - KS is the best line up we can give at this point....
Dude I am so pissed off right now and trying not to lose my cool. Dude Keron was can't even make it to the 100 finals why the hell would they place her on anchor? VCB is the best anchor Jamaica has and they are putting a lame Kerron on anchor? Jeter is going to wipe the floor with Kerron.Vcb is a fighter and will run her ass off no matter where she gets the baton. Even if Kerron gets a lead Jeter is going to sail pass her for the gold. It's like Jamaica is saying here is the gold take it. What a stupid ass move. And Kerron ass knows she is not a great anchor her ass is being selfish.I cant wait for Jeter to stomp on her and then they will leave vcb on anchor until she retires.
your own biases is blinding you from the realisationthat this is best way to get the best results from these ladies
running4life wrote:omg kerron is going to Anchor the 4x100 WTF? Kerron can't even make it in the 100 meters finals how the hell can she run down Jeter? Even if Jamaica gives her a lead Jeter is going to run her ass down.Who the hell idea was it to put vcb on third leg? They just gave away another gold.Vbc is the best anchor Jamaiac has and they are willing to risk a gold medal with Kerron who sisn't even 60%? You can always leave it up to the Jamaicans to fuck things up
VCB is the best curve runner JA has.... Kerron has to be on the team.... And that is the ONLY leg I would put Kerron on.
SAFP - SS - VCB - KS is the best line up we can give at this point....
Dude I am so pissed off right now and trying not to lose my cool. Dude Keron was can't even make it to the 100 finals why the hell would they place her on anchor? VCB is the best anchor Jamaica has and they are putting a lame Kerron on anchor? Jeter is going to wipe the floor with Kerron.Vcb is a fighter and will run her ass off no matter where she gets the baton. Even if Kerron gets a lead Jeter is going to sail pass her for the gold. It's like Jamaica is saying here is the gold take it. What a stupid ass move. And Kerron ass knows she is not a great anchor her ass is being selfish.I cant wait for Jeter to stomp on her and then they will leave vcb on anchor until she retires.
@ running for life you are to dramatic LOOL what ever happens let it be i really dont know how those relay legs will work out but i will go ahead and say that kerron can be ran down by jeter but if she has a great lead i think she can possibly hold off jeter
i agree, put the best starter in the world in the blocks put the best curve runner on the curve
put the baton in Kerron's hand and hope for the best
tracknut2012 wrote:This is how I think the race will go over tomorrow.
Fraser and Veronica will get out to a blistering start around the curve. Both will come off with a humongous lead. Allyson and Jeter come on like gangbusters at 150m. Fraser goes into overdrive. Fraser barely inches out the victory with Allyson 2nd and Veronica 3rd.
Winning time 21.53 . Felix secon in 21.56. Veronica third in 21.64.
tracknut2012 wrote:This is how I think the race will go over tomorrow.
Fraser and Veronica will get out to a blistering start around the curve. Both will come off with a humongous lead. Allyson and Jeter come on like gangbusters at 150m. Fraser goes into overdrive. Fraser barely inches out the victory with Allyson 2nd and Veronica 3rd.
Winning time 21.53 . Felix secon in 21.56. Veronica third in 21.64.
ChuiTai wrote:Well I hope Richards-Ross can make the best out of a two-day recovery process for the long relay. Haven't a clue on the magnitude of fitness deficit from the last six days.
My colleague determined from his on-site recording that Felix took approximately five fewer steps than Fraser-Pryce in the final 100m with a 0.13 difference in time. Since I was told the recording was @ 60Hz, no doubt its' accuracy is very questionable. Hope to see an IAAF analysis similar to '08 on these sprint races.
60Hz is way more than enough to count the number of steps an athlete takes.
running4life wrote:I hope this was a wake up call for VCB to get her act together and get a real coach.Omar is not a real coach.22.38 in a final really? I am so pissed off, nothing more than vcb focused more on the 100 and was running the 200 just on talent alone. Congrats to Allyson and Shelly and Jeter. Shelly got silver with a 22.08 that was a cake walk for vcb.I am so pissed the hell off.
I think she did focus more on the 100 than the 200... I think she should do a DFM and focus on the 200 from now on in majors... I want her back for Rio and I want her to get the gold... #maniclook. She deserves those 3 gold medals.
I really don't think she will drop the 100m when it's the tittle she most desperately wants .But i think she should drop the 100m for next year and focus on lowering that 200m pr and do some 400m to gain some endurance strength
Veronica did win the 100m at the 2007 World Championships.
running4life wrote:I hope this was a wake up call for VCB to get her act together and get a real coach.Omar is not a real coach.22.38 in a final really? I am so pissed off, nothing more than vcb focused more on the 100 and was running the 200 just on talent alone. Congrats to Allyson and Shelly and Jeter. Shelly got silver with a 22.08 that was a cake walk for vcb.I am so pissed the hell off.
I think she did focus more on the 100 than the 200... I think she should do a DFM and focus on the 200 from now on in majors... I want her back for Rio and I want her to get the gold... #maniclook. She deserves those 3 gold medals.
I really don't think she will drop the 100m when it's the tittle she most desperately wants .But i think she should drop the 100m for next year and focus on lowering that 200m pr and do some 400m to gain some endurance strength
Any real coach would have told her to do this. I mean if your going to double at lease do some 400s.VCB couldn't even break a 22.30 for heaven sakes.Omar should never have been near her training muchless coaching. I know I am going over board but a 22.10 use to be cake walk for vcb. Damn fool to make her husband trained her.I would have rather her not show up for the 200 instead of running a amature 22.38 in a finals.She knew damn well she wasn't in great shape that why she wouldn't answer any questions about the 200. Anyways done with my rant, she is still my queen
Give her coach some credit. Veronica made the decision to focus primarily on the 100m this yea since the Olympic 100m title is the only title she doesn't have(She is a two time Olympic champion at 200m and has won the 100 and the 200m at the World Championships)r. This resulted in the fastest time she has ever run the 100m in a championship(World or Olympics)
running4life wrote:With Allyson on second leg, Jamaica ain't getting no lead.USA will have a lead and Jeter will be gone like a ghost once she gets the baton. Kerron shouldn't be anywhere near the anchor and that is the honest truth.If this was old Kerron then yes but lame Kerron hell no. I will be right here on friday to say I told you so.
This whole line of thought is simply lacking in picking up the whole picture. Sure, she will lose ground to Jeter. That does not mean that she should not be the anchor. If she is on the third leg instead of VB and loses 0.3 (when Jamaica may even be a little bit behind when she starts but is unlikely to be ahead by much), then no female anchor is going to touch Jeter. Since VCB is a better turn runner, it seems likely that their total time will be lowest if she runs 3rd. In fact, if she is a little bit ahead when VCB hands her the baton it might put a little pressure on the US for the exchange and gain time there, leaving Kerron at least a slim chance of running faster than she otherwise would and holding off the US.
As for this comment, with a good tailwind this is a 21.70 (see JRM above). Besides, with a cushion of 0.2, she could ease up a little bit.
@ tracknut - I will give her coach credit for the 100m performance and her start that drastically improved but as for the 200m her coach knew what needed to be done .But the girls were better today and VCB just wasn't good enough for a medal .As her fan i commend her for trying knowing that she wasn't 100 percent 200m sharp
guru wrote:Well one thing's for sure - it's a good thing Felix skipped the 400. That very well may have made the difference in holding back SAFP in the 200
Another thing that is sure - Allyson Felix has made you and Shank eat your stupid words from 2011! I guess we will not hear any more foolish comments about how Felix has not improved since 2007. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth.
jamal00005 wrote:@ tracknut - I will give her coach credit for the 100m performance and her start that drastically improved but as for the 200m her coach knew what needed to be done .But the girls were better today and VCB just wasn't good enough for a medal .As her fan i commend her for trying knowing that she wasn't 100 percent 200m sharp
Again, her primary focus in training was the 100m and it showed.
I am sure she will get back to a more even 100/200m training regimen next year.
kudos to Felix, she waited three years and alas victory. I am not going to be hypocritical but what is due to Caesar should be given and as such she showed that she was truly superlative this year and it was hers for the taking. Nothing to take away from Felix triumph but I am a avid VCB fan and she is truly a champion of champions but the focus for her was the 100m this season and she paid less attention on her specialty. Knowing the caliber of athlete she is however, she will definitely wheel and come again.
