jamal00005 wrote:Well I hope this motivates our girls to train harder and come again next year. I like our legs how they are and to be truthful VCB ran a wonderful third leg but there was really nothing she could do
bruce3404 wrote:Nice to see one of the old dirty records fall.
That's debatable. The longer these records stay the better they show the doping war of the systems in the 70s and 80s. How all here take it for granted that a resounding smashing of the WR of a fully doped GDR relay is such a great thing ... well, I can't but help raise one eyebrow. Or even two.
Just for fun every OG/WC I run a hypothetical speed competition between USA and Jamaica. Now, I am sure we will all agree this is a very down year for USA in m200, m400 and m400IH. Still let's see. Using the 5-3-1 scoring method for a dual meet and 5-0 for the relays, and including all the speed events (100,200,400, 400IH, 110HH, 100H, 4x1 and 4x4) the US men=32 Jamaican men=23 US women=43 Jamaican women =12. These results are based on best times achieved during the competition and give Jamaica a win in the m4x1 and US a win in w4x4. Purely hypothetical but interesting nonetheless. And, take this to the bank, the results in the m400 and m4x4 will be vastly different in Moscow. No way in hell anyone beats the US in m4x4. This was a one time aberration: too many injuries.
jazzcyclist wrote:The truth is that a good percentage of posters on the board feel the same way Atanvarno does.
Allow me to clarify. I'm annoyed when people say they "know" something for which there is no concrete evidence. Look, I have my own doubts about various athletes. But there are forum guidelines about doping accusations for a reason. A witch-hunt does not require proof, but we should.
They just took the Relay time to another level.Like Usain Bolt's 9.69 100M,Micheal Johnson's 19.32 200M,Roger Bannister's 3:59 Mile,and Rudisha's 1:40.9 800M.Outstanding,Brilliant,and flat out smokin' time.
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DDR team could also pass, too; they had multiple sub-42s, at least 7.
If someone had told all the "Jamatriots" on this board that their team would break their NR by .29 and still lose by .59, can you imagine the response?
Madison definitely gained on SAFP on the first leg, and all the passes were sharp, not just "safe". It was no contest at all, to my surprise. When Jeter crossed the line I was thinking they might have come close to the WR, and when the time came up I'm sure my brother's neighbors upstairs heard me screaming! After so many years of relay disasters by US teams, both men and women, it was truly astonishing to see them smash not only a great Jamaican team but Marlies Gohr and company, as well.
I guess Drummond must have devoted some of his coaching to baton passing, after all. Ukraine also set a NR with 42.04, which I think is 7th-best nation, all-time. Fabulous! Cheers, Alan Shank
Actually, let me correct myself. Not many picked the USA, sadly it was dominated by Team Jamaica fans with no sense. I'm all for Jamaica considering that's my background, but in this situation it made no damn sense.
Better team foot speed, clearly better chemistry, and they worked at it. Kudos to John Drummond, your not winning relays with Kerron Stewart as anchor.
Alan Shank wrote:...I guess Drummond must have devoted some of his coaching to baton passing, after all. Ukraine also set a NR with 42.04, which I think is 7th-best nation, all-time. Fabulous! Cheers, Alan Shank
Good job by Drummond. Jeneba Tarmoh and Lauryn Williams definitely earned a share of the Gold...especially after all of the drama of the previous weeks.
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Weights and shoes: time to let go of K. Stewart/anchor leg issue..simply did not make one tiny bit of difference in this situation...everyone knows the 3rd leg actually runs a longer distance than anchor so VCB better in 3 spot..wouldn't have mattered.
Best leg I ever saw was Inger on the 2nd turn of the '99 WCH squad. But no one cares because they finished out of the medals anyway.
I thought the record would go down that year. Marion 10.70, Inger 10.79, Gail could still go 10.9, Angela Williams at 11.04 but best in the world off the blocks for a lead off.
But Marion went down, Williams didn't even make the trip, and Gail was pooped from her 100/100h double. But Inger scorched that turn.
Taplin replaced Williams. Mind you, Taplin ran 11.45, then 11.33 in the individual 100 heats—the latter her SEASON'S BEST. Just pathetic. Anyway, the Bahamian destroyed her on leg 1, then she botched the handoff to Perry (yet another replacement team member after Jenkins withdrew from the 200 w/ a collapsed lung). Perry literally like stopped and looked back to get the baton before the DQ line.
Not only had the Bahamians to our inside made up the stagger, they were about 2-3 meters in front of us ON THE BACKSTRETCH. Meaning they had an 8-9 meter lead after the first exchange.
Inger received the baton OK, then exploded like a bat out of hell. She must have run about 0.5-0.6 seconds faster (zero exaggeration) than her Bahamian counterpart (admittedly, more of a 200/400 runner) bringing the Americans from about 5th to 2nd, close enough that maybe Marion could have caught the Bahamians. But Devers was running her 10th race of the week at age 33 and flat out died, letting the French and Jamaicans push them off the podium. The French were anchored by Christine Arron who was notoriously awful off the blocks but a great closer, making her a nasty relay runner with that running start.
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Atanvarno, you really sound like a LetsRun member. I used to be over there, but it's way too much sexism and finger pointing over there. As I type this, they're claiming both Felix and Jeter are on performance enhancement drugs, or Madison and Jeter, I don't remember
beebee wrote:Felix will blast Simpson on that second leg.
She'll need to, because those who think Madison will run even-up with SAFP are living in a dream world. If it comes into VCB and Knight even, lights out for the US.
LMAO! Congrats to all of the USA ladies. You did a marvelous job. Big congrats to Knight, who a certain person brutalized on this board. Guru will show up when he removes the shoe leather between his teeth after putting his foot in his mouth one more time.