Conor Dary wrote:Maybe the problem is that Hayward Field is not operating in a Euclidean mathematical Universe. Perhaps, Hayward Field is actually in a Hyperbolic Space, where no unique parallel line passes through a point. This would explain a lot.
I don't know about Euclid, Archimedes, Newton or even 26mi235, but as a Coug from Pullman, I do know there are just way too many quacks at Hayward Field for anyone to be certain about anything.
fourjz wrote:First of all most people that have commented about her "agents advice" have made the wrong assumption that the agent told ,and or counseled Jeneba Tarmoh to pullout of the runoff.Jeneba made the decision in her own "heart" to pullout of the notorious runoff scenario.It was'nt the agent who "gave bad advice".That story just is'nt the truth.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong! The agent/manager fed Tarmoh the information that the "time manager" was on her side and thus Tarmoh felt she had won. Where else could Tarmoh get this information? She was not in contact with her coach. She did not have any time to do any research. Tarmoh may have made the decision, but it was based upon what her agent told her!
And furthermore, I am not sure why you call it the "notorious runoff scenario." The person who made a farce of the scenario is Tarmoh by deciding to have it and then by backing out of it.
Let's hope that Atkinson (JAMAICA) and Van Bielen (Canada) who tied for 8th and last finals spot in w100 breaststroke and are scheduled for a swim off don't seek advice from Tarmoh
Tuariki wrote:Let's hope that Atkinson (JAMAICA) and Van Bielen (Canada) who tied for 8th and last finals spot in w100 breaststroke and are scheduled for a swim off don't seek advice from Tarmoh
They didn't. They completed the swim-off a little more than an hour ago.
Tuariki wrote:That's no fun then. What else do I have to talk about.
Well it so happens that the swim-off resulted in a Jamaican national record by over a half-second, and a time that makes her a medal contender if she can duplicate it in the final on Monday (a time that would have won a medal in Beijing). Jamaica's first ever swimming medal in the Olympics would be something to talk about if actually happens.
Because she probably couldn't break 11.00 on the track it was off to the pool. She should be right in the mix for the bronze although I don't think she has any chance of beating the young Lithuanian 15 year old Meilutyte for the gold. She was massively impressive in the semis and the heats. Soni should get the silver for the USA.
Tuariki wrote:That's no fun then. What else do I have to talk about.
Well it so happens that the swim-off resulted in a Jamaican national record by over a half-second, and a time that makes her a medal contender if she can duplicate it in the final on Monday (a time that would have won a medal in Beijing). Jamaica's first ever swimming medal in the Olympics would be something to talk about if actually happens.
She's in good form too, breaking the national record twice yesterday. And importantly she has cleared a mental hurdle; she no longer sees herself as a 1:07 swimmer; she knows she is faster.
I suspect she would hear the cheers from Jamaica if she won a medal. For me, her effort yesterday, and getting into the final, is more than enough. Very proud of her and I wish her well.
Tuariki wrote:Because she probably couldn't break 11.00 on the track it was off to the pool.
Or more likely, she simply loved swimming from she was a small child and didn't ever try track seriously. She swam in her first Olympics at 15 in Athens, placing 3rd in her first-round heat (but didn't advance).
fourjz wrote:First of all most people that have commented about her "agents advice" have made the wrong assumption that the agent told ,and or counseled Jeneba Tarmoh to pullout of the runoff.Jeneba made the decision in her own "heart" to pullout of the notorious runoff scenario.It was'nt the agent who "gave bad advice".That story just is'nt the truth.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong! The agent/manager fed Tarmoh the information that the "time manager" was on her side and thus Tarmoh felt she had won. Where else could Tarmoh get this information? She was not in contact with her coach. She did not have any time to do any research. Tarmoh may have made the decision, but it was based upon what her agent told her!
And furthermore, I am not sure why you call it the "notorious runoff scenario." The person who made a farce of the scenario is Tarmoh by deciding to have it and then by backing out of it.
This situation transpired over a period of a week.Her agent was not the only one giving her information on what happened.And as her agent she should have been giving Jeneba every bit of info especially since the results were'nt given to Tarmoh,her Agent,and company until late that evening.So Tarmoh did'nt get convinced she had won only after talking with her agent late that night,or throughout the week building toward the end of the trials.The "notorious runoff scenario" is just what it is,"notorious" whether the had run on Monday or not.It's notorious .
fourjz wrote:First of all most people that have commented about her "agents advice" have made the wrong assumption that the agent told ,and or counseled Jeneba Tarmoh to pullout of the runoff.Jeneba made the decision in her own "heart" to pullout of the notorious runoff scenario.It was'nt the agent who "gave bad advice".That story just is'nt the truth.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong! The agent/manager fed Tarmoh the information that the "time manager" was on her side and thus Tarmoh felt she had won. Where else could Tarmoh get this information? She was not in contact with her coach. She did not have any time to do any research. Tarmoh may have made the decision, but it was based upon what her agent told her!
And furthermore, I am not sure why you call it the "notorious runoff scenario." The person who made a farce of the scenario is Tarmoh by deciding to have it and then by backing out of it.
This situation transpired over a period of a week.Her agent was not the only one giving her information on what happened.And as her agent she should have been giving Jeneba every bit of info especially since the results were'nt given to Tarmoh,her Agent,and company until late that evening.So Tarmoh did'nt get convinced she had won only after talking with her agent late that night,or throughout the week building toward the end of the trials.The "notorious runoff scenario" is just what it is,"notorious" whether the had run on Monday or not.It's notorious .
The only thing that is notorious here is fourjz. It was the agent - no! It was the coach - no! It was the manager - no! It was Felix - no! It was the man in the moon - no! It wasn't Neil Armstrong It was Tarmoh - YES !!!
Tarmoh decided - Tarmoh gave up - Tarmoh quit - no one else.
fourjz wrote:First of all most people that have commented about her "agents advice" have made the wrong assumption that the agent told ,and or counseled Jeneba Tarmoh to pullout of the runoff.Jeneba made the decision in her own "heart" to pullout of the notorious runoff scenario.It was'nt the agent who "gave bad advice".That story just is'nt the truth.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong! The agent/manager fed Tarmoh the information that the "time manager" was on her side and thus Tarmoh felt she had won. Where else could Tarmoh get this information? She was not in contact with her coach. She did not have any time to do any research. Tarmoh may have made the decision, but it was based upon what her agent told her!
And furthermore, I am not sure why you call it the "notorious runoff scenario." The person who made a farce of the scenario is Tarmoh by deciding to have it and then by backing out of it.
This situation transpired over a period of a week.Her agent was not the only one giving her information on what happened.And as her agent she should have been giving Jeneba every bit of info especially since the results were'nt given to Tarmoh,her Agent,and company until late that evening.So Tarmoh did'nt get convinced she had won only after talking with her agent late that night,or throughout the week building toward the end of the trials.The "notorious runoff scenario" is just what it is,"notorious" whether the had run on Monday or not.It's notorious .
The only thing that is notorious here is fourjz. It was the agent - no! It was the coach - no! It was the manager - no! It was Felix - no! It was the man in the moon - no! It wasn't Neil Armstrong It was Tarmoh - YES !!!
Tarmoh decided - Tarmoh gave up - Tarmoh quit - no one else.
For future reference USATF officials can call upon what happened in 1952 and 1960.
In 1952 there was a tie for 3rd in the 100 between Dean Smith and Jim Gathers. Gathers went on to place 3rd in the 200, and ran for the US in Helsinki, earning a bronze. Smith was selected for the 100 and like Gathers, won a bronze in his event. The officials made the choice primarily because Gathers earned an indiviual spot in another event. Itdidn't hut that Smith had won the AAU 100 (with Gathers 5th)
In 1960 Paul Winder and Dave Sime tied for 3rd in the OT 100. There was an 8 week gap until the Rome Olympics (as opposed to 6 weeks this time). The officials decided to use the post trials races as the determining factor. Sime beat Winder twice, equaling the US 100m record in the last meet before flying to Europe (and they then tied in Bern 1 1/2 weeks before the Games). Sime's overall record gave him the nod, and he was of course the best American in Rome.
It's been mentioned to me that the team needed to be settled by the end of the Trials for the purposes of passports/uniforms - but 3rd/4th in the 100 would both qualify for the relay squad, so that can't be correct. Putting it simply, the team did not need to be settled before the end of the Trials, and the two could have met over 100m at one of the post Trials meets.
