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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:18 pm

Athletics wrote:St. Kitts & Nevis sprinter Tameka Williams retaired from olympics. Apparently she didn't get busted by a test(?), but admitted using doping and decided to withdraw from olympics. Now did that olympic oath at the opening ceremony make her think about the morality of her actions :?:

Funniest shit if she passed all previous tests :lol:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Deuce » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:33 pm

Ivan Tsikhan (Tikhon) is suspended from London games - positive samples from Athens 2004 and Helsinki 2005 :!: Don't know details, in Belarus:

http://racyja.eu/index.php?id=106&zoom=1468

http://nn.by/?c=ar&i=77798
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby lapsus » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:47 pm

So this is one of the positives from retesting samples, were there any other names announced so far?

Oh, and couldn't they have published this a few days earlier? It messed up my Ely prediction contest entry for hammer :twisted:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby aaronk » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:55 pm

Deuce wrote:Ivan Tsikhan (Tikhon) is suspended from London games - positive samples from Athens 2004 and Helsinki 2005 :!: Don't know details, in Belarus:

http://racyja.eu/index.php?id=106&zoom=1468

http://nn.by/?c=ar&i=77798
lapsus wrote:So this is one of the positives from retesting samples, were there any other names announced so far?

Oh, and couldn't they have published this a few days earlier? It messed up my Ely prediction contest entry for hammer :twisted:


Mine too!!
I have Tikhon to win!!
Dang!! :evil:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Flumpy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:09 am

HA!!! How many years of reassigned medals does that mean???
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Master Po » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:08 am

MightyBurner pointed this one out over in the OG forum, on the m1500 thread:

Amine Laalou (Morocco)
http://olympics.runnersworld.com/2012/m ... t-of-olys/

"Laalou tested positive for furosemide, a diuretic used to hide the presence of performance-enhancing drugs in the urine. In July, Moroccan Mariem Alaoui Selsouli also tested positive for furosemide and was barred from the Olympics."
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Blues » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:46 pm

pakillo wrote:
Athletics wrote:St. Kitts & Nevis sprinter Tameka Williams retaired from olympics. Apparently she didn't get busted by a test(?), but admitted using doping and decided to withdraw from olympics. Now did that olympic oath at the opening ceremony make her think about the morality of her actions :?:

Funniest shit if she passed all previous tests :lol:


She might have passed the WADA tests anyway, since they might not have tested for what she used despite the fact that it was banned... According to the article from the St.Kitts Nevis Observer below, she injected "Blast Off Red", which is some kind of blood boosting PED injectable combination for animals, like race horses and dogs, that's not approved for human use.. I haven't been able to find what drugs or ingredients Blast Off Red contains yet...

I really hope there's not a current trend for athletes to inject veterinary medicines (with no proof of safety in humans) as PEDs, just because they may not be individually listed on the WADA banned list and possibly might not be specifically tested for, even though veterinary medicines as a group are banned by WADA under the category of "non-approved substances"... :shock:

http://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/ ... liams.html

http://www.horseprerace.com/index.php?m ... cts_id=143
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby rsb2 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:48 pm

I really hope that athletes who are striving to cheat are injecting huge doses of various substances that have never been approved as safe for human consumption. Hopefully, the damage done to these individuals will increase the numbers of athletes who choose the level playing field alternative !
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby croflash » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:48 pm

Master Po wrote:MightyBurner pointed this one out over in the OG forum, on the m1500 thread:

Amine Laalou (Morocco)
http://olympics.runnersworld.com/2012/m ... t-of-olys/

"Laalou tested positive for furosemide, a diuretic used to hide the presence of performance-enhancing drugs in the urine. In July, Moroccan Mariem Alaoui Selsouli also tested positive for furosemide and was barred from the Olympics."


I'm starting to wonder how many more positives are going to be revealed. Those names aren't big outside the T&F world, but well-known among those who follow the sport on a regular basis.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby EPelle » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:22 am

Moldavians Margieva Marina and Natalia Artyk withdrawn prior to start.
http://ava.md/news/016947-skandal-v-lon ... pinga.html
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby andyjgt » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:39 am

EPelle wrote:Moldavians Margieva Marina and Natalia Artyk withdrawn prior to start.
http://ava.md/news/016947-skandal-v-lon ... pinga.html


I'm surprised at Marghieva, more because her brother competed in the men's event yesterday and her sister also competes in her event!

All three are coached by their father, Soslan Marghiev, so I'd expect all 3 to be doping or none of them.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:26 am

andyjgt wrote:
EPelle wrote:Moldavians Margieva Marina and Natalia Artyk withdrawn prior to start.
http://ava.md/news/016947-skandal-v-lon ... pinga.html


I'm surprised at Marghieva, more because her brother competed in the men's event yesterday and her sister also competes in her event!

All three are coached by their father, Soslan Marghiev, so I'd expect all 3 to be doping or none of them.

I'm not surprised, just proves what a FARCE all doping testing is!
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby andyjgt » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:31 am

pakillo wrote:
andyjgt wrote:
EPelle wrote:Moldavians Margieva Marina and Natalia Artyk withdrawn prior to start.
http://ava.md/news/016947-skandal-v-lon ... pinga.html


I'm surprised at Marghieva, more because her brother competed in the men's event yesterday and her sister also competes in her event!

All three are coached by their father, Soslan Marghiev, so I'd expect all 3 to be doping or none of them.

I'm not surprised, just proves what a FARCE all doping testing is!


I'm not surprised she failed a test as such, more that her brother and sister haven't too if she did.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:37 am

andyjgt wrote:
pakillo wrote:
andyjgt wrote:
EPelle wrote:Moldavians Margieva Marina and Natalia Artyk withdrawn prior to start.
http://ava.md/news/016947-skandal-v-lon ... pinga.html


I'm surprised at Marghieva, more because her brother competed in the men's event yesterday and her sister also competes in her event!

All three are coached by their father, Soslan Marghiev, so I'd expect all 3 to be doping or none of them.

I'm not surprised, just proves what a FARCE all doping testing is!


I'm not surprised she failed a test as such, more that her brother and sister haven't too if she did.

I got your point, I thought the same. I am surprised she failed a test but that her sister and brother haven't I am not surprised ( just proves the farce). I like them btw but doping hunters are just into east at the moment (puking)
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby andyjgt » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:20 am

Talking about Moldova, Luchianov is coached by Mihai Cravtov (can't get the Moldovan/Romanian diacritics on my keyboard), he also coaches Cristea (former WJ 800 champ from 2006) who failed a dope test in 2010 after the Barcelona Euros. Not sure what this means...
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby dvorakfan » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:16 am

Did anyone notice the story about Laalou published by Andreas Vojta (Austrian 1500m runner)?

Shearch for "Andreas Vojta Laalou" on google and you are getting things like this (articles and interview are in German but I think most of you would understand it or translate it by google):

http://www.laola1.at/de/olympia/leichta ... 955--.html

http://kurier.at/sport/sportmix/4506752 ... erband.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyOg6J784_0
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Deuce » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:28 am

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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:49 am

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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:00 am

pakillo wrote:I'm not surprised, just proves what a FARCE all doping testing is!


You are very, very wrong. You can dope but you cannot dope with impunity. If you do not understand the substantial differences implied by that statement then you fit into the 'old saw' "if you know, you know, and if you don't know, forget it."
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:50 pm

26mi235 wrote:
pakillo wrote:I'm not surprised, just proves what a FARCE all doping testing is!


You are very, very wrong. You can dope but you cannot dope with impunity. If you do not understand the substantial differences implied by that statement then you fit into the 'old saw' "if you know, you know, and if you don't know, forget it."

Are you telling me how it should be or how it is?
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:47 pm

Why are the all-time lists in the most PED-influencable events still dominated by by marks from the 80s? Do people in the US cheat on their Income Tax; sure, but not like in Greece, and a big enough difference in degree is a difference in kind.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Marlow » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:07 am

Here's a timely drug bust. The Honey Badger is out at LSU!! :shock:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:33 am

Ostapchuk (regular on the circuit in last couple of years) tests positive for metenolone they say. They could come up with something better.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby mump boy » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:27 pm

This is SO amazing i don't know where to start :lol:

http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/29472905178/itsrainingepo
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby dj » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:36 pm

mump boy wrote:This is SO amazing i don't know where to start :lol:

http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/29472905178/itsrainingepo


I think the dog ate her excuse!
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby kuha » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:09 pm

This makes the toothpaste thing COMPLETELY believable.
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Postby lonewolf » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:14 pm

Ya gotta give her points for originality.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby CookyMonzta » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:01 pm

kuha wrote:This makes the toothpaste thing COMPLETELY believable.

Didn't Dieter Baumann try the toothpaste excuse in 2000?
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby croflash » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:18 am

CookyMonzta wrote:
kuha wrote:This makes the toothpaste thing COMPLETELY believable.

Didn't Dieter Baumann try the toothpaste excuse in 2000?


Actually, the circumstances of it still remain unclear. There has been evidence to believe that Baumann was indeed the victim of a manipulation. Even some renowned anti doping campaigners publically said that someone was trying to get him.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby Flumpy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:17 am

Yes if you look into his case it actually has some merit.

I don't know the exact details but after he failed the test (For nandrolone I believe) he was so adamant of his innocence and the circumstances were so peculiar that I think the authorities continued to test him as an experiment. It turned out that he failed test in the morning but passed them in the afternoon, or something like that. This is where the idea of the toothpaste being tampered with came from. I don't think it was ever supposed to be an actual excuse just a theory that was put out there which became a bit of an urban myth.

Around the same time when Mark Richardson was caught for nandrolone he got a reduced ban for helping out the IAAF with their enquiries. I think they were sure that something weird was going on with the spate of +ives that were appearing at the time. He went and did numerous tests and it was discovered that he too failed some and passed others depending on how much exercise he's done. It's thought that the nandrolone cases had something to do with a supplement that was on the face of it harmless to ingest but changed composition after vigorous exercise.

I know nothing at all about science and could have explained this all wrong so please don't start telling me all the reasons why my explanation makes no sense but I was told all of this recently by someone who was involved at the time it was something along these lines.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby andyjgt » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:01 am

There were rumours that Franke (RIP) and Kallabis (or someone connected with them) spiked Baumann's toothpaste after he called them out and kicked them out of his training group (coached by his wife) because he 'knew' they were doping...(apparently Adam Goucher refused to train with Kallabis because he 'knew' too)

Don't know much of the details myself, but there are plenty of threads on Letsrun about it.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby peach77 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:16 am

In all honesty, I think all the nandrolone positives of the time were a load of old rubbish. The authorities were aware there was something bizarre going on somewhere...
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby nevetsllim » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:24 am

Another positive. Another Turk. This time, it's Karen Melis Mey (PB 6.93m). She was a DNS in the Olympic final and I guess we know why now.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby Flumpy » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:17 pm

It's so obvious what is going on in Turkey. They've bid for the Olympics and to bolster their claim think it will look good to have more world class athletes only their attempts at cheating are so crude and obvious this will undoubtedly do more harm than good to their cause.

Exactly the same thing happened in Greece at the turn of the century and look how well that turned out :roll:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby gh » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:08 pm

Let's stop that train of thought right there.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby mump boy » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:30 pm

What happened to the 7 positives they were waiting till after OG to announce ? :?
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