Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the dust


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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:47 pm

Why are the all-time lists in the most PED-influencable events still dominated by by marks from the 80s? Do people in the US cheat on their Income Tax; sure, but not like in Greece, and a big enough difference in degree is a difference in kind.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby Marlow » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:07 am

Here's a timely drug bust. The Honey Badger is out at LSU!! :shock:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely positives :-)

Postby pakillo » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:33 am

Ostapchuk (regular on the circuit in last couple of years) tests positive for metenolone they say. They could come up with something better.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby mump boy » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:27 pm

This is SO amazing i don't know where to start :lol:

http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/29472905178/itsrainingepo
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby dj » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:36 pm

mump boy wrote:This is SO amazing i don't know where to start :lol:

http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/29472905178/itsrainingepo


I think the dog ate her excuse!
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby kuha » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:09 pm

This makes the toothpaste thing COMPLETELY believable.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby lonewolf » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:14 pm

Ya gotta give her points for originality.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby CookyMonzta » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:01 pm

kuha wrote:This makes the toothpaste thing COMPLETELY believable.

Didn't Dieter Baumann try the toothpaste excuse in 2000?
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby croflash » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:18 am

CookyMonzta wrote:
kuha wrote:This makes the toothpaste thing COMPLETELY believable.

Didn't Dieter Baumann try the toothpaste excuse in 2000?


Actually, the circumstances of it still remain unclear. There has been evidence to believe that Baumann was indeed the victim of a manipulation. Even some renowned anti doping campaigners publically said that someone was trying to get him.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby Flumpy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:17 am

Yes if you look into his case it actually has some merit.

I don't know the exact details but after he failed the test (For nandrolone I believe) he was so adamant of his innocence and the circumstances were so peculiar that I think the authorities continued to test him as an experiment. It turned out that he failed test in the morning but passed them in the afternoon, or something like that. This is where the idea of the toothpaste being tampered with came from. I don't think it was ever supposed to be an actual excuse just a theory that was put out there which became a bit of an urban myth.

Around the same time when Mark Richardson was caught for nandrolone he got a reduced ban for helping out the IAAF with their enquiries. I think they were sure that something weird was going on with the spate of +ives that were appearing at the time. He went and did numerous tests and it was discovered that he too failed some and passed others depending on how much exercise he's done. It's thought that the nandrolone cases had something to do with a supplement that was on the face of it harmless to ingest but changed composition after vigorous exercise.

I know nothing at all about science and could have explained this all wrong so please don't start telling me all the reasons why my explanation makes no sense but I was told all of this recently by someone who was involved at the time it was something along these lines.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby andyjgt » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:01 am

There were rumours that Franke (RIP) and Kallabis (or someone connected with them) spiked Baumann's toothpaste after he called them out and kicked them out of his training group (coached by his wife) because he 'knew' they were doping...(apparently Adam Goucher refused to train with Kallabis because he 'knew' too)

Don't know much of the details myself, but there are plenty of threads on Letsrun about it.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby peach77 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:16 am

In all honesty, I think all the nandrolone positives of the time were a load of old rubbish. The authorities were aware there was something bizarre going on somewhere...
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby nevetsllim » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:24 am

Another positive. Another Turk. This time, it's Karen Melis Mey (PB 6.93m). She was a DNS in the Olympic final and I guess we know why now.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby Flumpy » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:17 pm

It's so obvious what is going on in Turkey. They've bid for the Olympics and to bolster their claim think it will look good to have more world class athletes only their attempts at cheating are so crude and obvious this will undoubtedly do more harm than good to their cause.

Exactly the same thing happened in Greece at the turn of the century and look how well that turned out :roll:
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby gh » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:08 pm

Let's stop that train of thought right there.
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Re: Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the

Postby mump boy » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:30 pm

What happened to the 7 positives they were waiting till after OG to announce ? :?
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