To be bold,I predict Chernova made team of LJ with a beyond 7m jump.and 2 women over 20m,also W DT see a 70m throw，HT see Lysenko to be the second women over 79m even setting WR.
nianchengyu wrote:To be bold,I predict Chernova made team of LJ with a beyond 7m jump.and 2 women over 20m,also W DT see a 70m throw，HT see Lysenko to be the second women over 79m even setting WR.
To be fair, there will be plenty of Amis who shone brightly in Eugene and will exit quietly in London. There were several performances, especially on the women's side, that will remain lifetime PRs . . . by a lot.
Not unexpected to see the Americans going into their usual we -will -win everything triumphalist mode immediately after their Trials; plenty of athletes in their Trials who will not replicate in London the stuff we have seen in Oregon , and they wont have those comforting winds that plenty of performances enjoyed. we will soon be seeing who peeked for the trials! The Russians whose in russia performances are rarely repeated elsewhere are not that interested in T and F and with much smaller talent base but the American performances are based on an entirely fifferent atttitude with massive basic talent pools, college system,ruthless methodology of selection etc.
The American sports establishment know that their medals come from two sports largely, Track and Field and Swimming. mind you only 320 million citizens in the country... dont know how you find the talent?
nianchengyu wrote:To be bold,I predict Chernova made team of LJ with a beyond 7m jump.and 2 women over 20m,also W DT see a 70m throw，HT see Lysenko to be the second women over 79m even setting WR.
To be fair, there will be plenty of Amis who shone brightly in Eugene and will exit quietly in London. There were several performances, especially on the women's side, that will remain lifetime PRs . . . by a lot.
Indeed,some American and other countries athletes whose result in NC cannot be gotten close,but RUS,BLR,UKR have more.
nianchengyu wrote:Indeed,some American and other countries athletes whose result in NC cannot be gotten close,but RUS,BLR,UKR have more.
You sure'bout that?
For some reason people on these boards always go on about the Russian female 400m runners not performing in major champs. As it happens, there were 3 Russians in the final in Beijing 4 years ago: two of them ended up setting PBs in that final, while the third set a SB. Meanwhile, all three Americans ran slower than they did at the OG.
nianchengyu wrote:Indeed,some American and other countries athletes whose result in NC cannot be gotten close,but RUS,BLR,UKR have more.
You sure'bout that?
For some reason people on these boards always go on about the Russian female 400m runners not performing in major champs. As it happens, there were 3 Russians in the final in Beijing 4 years ago: two of them ended up setting PBs in that final, while the third set a SB. Meanwhile, all three Americans ran slower than they did at the OG.
You mean the OT, right? Maybe someone with a lot of time on his/her hands can do a study of this and actually base an opinion on facts, rather than vague recollections. It won't be I, however. >:-)
We are seeing lots of crap from US posters about timing at the Jamaican Trials, and from Jamaican posters about winds and timing at the US Trials. We'll see the same when the Russians hold their championships. Hey, it doesn't really matter, IMO. Let each country select their teams however and send them to London, where everyone will have the same judges and wind gauges and timing systems, and see who comes out on top.
nianchengyu wrote:Indeed,some American and other countries athletes whose result in NC cannot be gotten close,but RUS,BLR,UKR have more.
You sure'bout that?
For some reason people on these boards always go on about the Russian female 400m runners not performing in major champs. As it happens, there were 3 Russians in the final in Beijing 4 years ago: two of them ended up setting PBs in that final, while the third set a SB. Meanwhile, all three Americans ran slower than they did at the OG.
You mean the OT, right? Maybe someone with a lot of time on his/her hands can do a study of this and actually base an opinion on facts, rather than vague recollections. It won't be I, however. >:-)
We are seeing lots of crap from US posters about timing at the Jamaican Trials, and from Jamaican posters about winds and timing at the US Trials. We'll see the same when the Russians hold their championships. Hey, it doesn't really matter, IMO. Let each country select their teams however and send them to London, where everyone will have the same judges and wind gauges and timing systems, and see who comes out on top.
Cheers, Alan Shank Алеша Второй Москва >:-)
Now that I'll drink to lol! Indeed London will surely give us the results that will not be faulty or times that cannot be replicated.
nianchengyu wrote:Indeed,some American and other countries athletes whose result in NC cannot be gotten close,but RUS,BLR,UKR have more.
You sure'bout that?
For some reason people on these boards always go on about the Russian female 400m runners not performing in major champs. As it happens, there were 3 Russians in the final in Beijing 4 years ago: two of them ended up setting PBs in that final, while the third set a SB. Meanwhile, all three Americans ran slower than they did at the OG.
You mean the OT, right? Maybe someone with a lot of time on his/her hands can do a study of this and actually base an opinion on facts, rather than vague recollections. It won't be I, however. >:-)
We are seeing lots of crap from US posters about timing at the Jamaican Trials, and from Jamaican posters about winds and timing at the US Trials. We'll see the same when the Russians hold their championships. Hey, it doesn't really matter, IMO. Let each country select their teams however and send them to London, where everyone will have the same judges and wind gauges and timing systems, and see who comes out on top.
Alan Shank wrote:Maybe someone with a lot of time on his/her hands can do a study of this and actually base an opinion on facts, rather than vague recollections. It won't be I, however. >:-)
I had enough time on my hands to do the math for Beijing 2008: USA: out of 119 individual starts, 19 athletes (16.0%) set SBs, including 8 (6.7%) setting PBs RUS: out of 103 individual starts, 21 (20.4%) set SBs, 9 (8.4%) set PBs
Alan Shank wrote:Maybe someone with a lot of time on his/her hands can do a study of this and actually base an opinion on facts, rather than vague recollections. It won't be I, however. >:-)
I had enough time on my hands to do the math for Beijing 2008: USA: out of 119 individual starts, 19 athletes (16.0%) set SBs, including 8 (6.7%) setting PBs RUS: out of 103 individual starts, 21 (20.4%) set SBs, 9 (8.4%) set PBs
Thanks for doing that. Always good to see some actual facts. I would be interested how the numbers would come out for people who actually were expected to be competitive for a final. I would arbitrarily just pick anyone who either was favored to make the top ten by TFN or actually did finish in the top 8. Frankly many USA athletes and I am sure more than just a few Russian athletes are simply happy to have made the team and really are not expected to peak at the games whether we would hope for them to or not.
Savinova 1:57.43, Kostetskaya 1:57.48, Arzhakova 1:57.69, Kofanova 1:57.79 in the 800m heats. Apparently qualification to the final is done by time and not position which could explain why heats are typically fast at the Russian Champs.
nevetsllim wrote:Savinova 1:57.43, Kostetskaya 1:57.48, Arzhakova 1:57.69, Kofanova 1:57.79 in the 800m heats. Apparently qualification to the final is done by time and not position which could explain why heats are typically fast at the Russian Champs.
That's just insane. Are we going to see 1.55.xx in the final ? Qualification can't be by time though because the results show a Q for the first two of each heat, even the slow ones.
nevetsllim wrote:Savinova 1:57.43, Kostetskaya 1:57.48, Arzhakova 1:57.69, Kofanova 1:57.79 in the 800m heats. Apparently qualification to the final is done by time and not position which could explain why heats are typically fast at the Russian Champs.
That's just insane. Are we going to see 1.55.xx in the final ? Qualification can't be by time though because the results show a Q for the first two of each heat, even the slow ones.
Nobody's qualified from ht.2 (Cherkasova's heat, which she won in 2:01) judging by the results I'm looking at. Savinova's not running in the final (she's been pre-selected and runs in the 400m heats tomorrow) but I think we'll see 1:56 and bits.
nevetsllim wrote:Savinova 1:57.43, Kostetskaya 1:57.48, Arzhakova 1:57.69, Kofanova 1:57.79 in the 800m heats. Apparently qualification to the final is done by time and not position which could explain why heats are typically fast at the Russian Champs.
That's just insane. Are we going to see 1.55.xx in the final ? Qualification can't be by time though because the results show a Q for the first two of each heat, even the slow ones.
Nobody's qualified from ht.2 (Cherkasova's heat, which she won in 2:01) judging by the results I'm looking at. Savinova's not running in the final (she's been pre-selected and runs in the 400m heats tomorrow) but I think we'll see 1:56 and bits.
Yeah i saw, i think they updated the Qs in realtime, that's why i saw them where they now disappeared.
andyjgt wrote:400 heats (here top 3 DO qualify by place with 3 losers to 3 semis tonight, one heat per line):
Krivoshapka 50.39, Migunova 51.00 Gushchina 50.86 Vdovina 51.56 Firova 50.57, Nazarova 51.17, Savinova 51.43 Kapachinskaya 51.82 Litvinova 51.09, Veshkurova 52.01 No fast times in last heat (Topilskaya DNF, Ustalova 53.24)
Presume Ustalova is injured then...she's run a 50.4 this season and was in good form. Before this, my picks for the 4 team were Krivoshapka, Ustalova and Guschina. Now it will probably be Krivoshapka, Firova and Guschina. Litvinova tends to peak well too and has proven to be a great relay runner. Surely Nazarova wont make the relay team?
On Fedoriva, if she does the 2 it'll be interesting to see what help her 4 indoors has done. It never worked for Guschina, Goncharenko et al; they seemed to be able to run good 100's and great 400s but it never quite translated to great 200s.
