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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby IFK_Vaxjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:27 pm

The liveresults have Hardee with an F and then nothing more? Is he out?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:28 pm

IFK_Vaxjo wrote:The liveresults have Hardee with an F and then nothing more? Is he out?



yeah what the f is going on? Some guys have 3 throws, none for Eaton and an F by Hardee?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby IFK_Vaxjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:30 pm

slowjo wrote:
IFK_Vaxjo wrote:The liveresults have Hardee with an F and then nothing more? Is he out?



yeah what the f is going on? Some guys have 3 throws, none for Eaton and an F by Hardee?



Guess Eaton is in the 2nd pool of throwers but Hardee seemed to have thrown in the first group and then retired...
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:31 pm

There has to be some glitch. There must be two flights even though they have everyone down as being in #1. Frustrating...
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby jeremyp » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:32 pm

IFK_Vaxjo wrote:
slowjo wrote:
IFK_Vaxjo wrote:The liveresults have Hardee with an F and then nothing more? Is he out?



yeah what the f is going on? Some guys have 3 throws, none for Eaton and an F by Hardee?



Guess Eaton is in the 2nd pool of throwers but Hardee seemed to have thrown in the first group and then retired...

So did he retire because he kows he's going to London or was there an arm twinge?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:32 pm

Hurdles delayed because of rain..maybe the same for the jav?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Grasshopper » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:37 pm

jeremyp wrote:
IFK_Vaxjo wrote:
slowjo wrote:
IFK_Vaxjo wrote:The liveresults have Hardee with an F and then nothing more? Is he out?



yeah what the f is going on? Some guys have 3 throws, none for Eaton and an F by Hardee?



Guess Eaton is in the 2nd pool of throwers but Hardee seemed to have thrown in the first group and then retired...

So did he retire because he kows he's going to London or was there an arm twinge?

If he called it quits after his first throw then his other two results should show "pass" or "foul", but currently they're blank.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby jeremyp » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:38 pm

slowjo wrote:Hurdles delayed because of rain..maybe the same for the jav?

Ahh! Good thing the PV is done. Hope Eaton gets to throw without rain.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:44 pm

Horn with another big PR in the JT, while Detmer fell short of my expectations. So HOrn is at 7229 and Detmer 7083. As stated above, Detmer is a good 1500m runner who, with third place on the line and in cool conditions, is likely to run 4:13/14, and maybe faster. Horn's PR is 4:29. Horn needs to stay within about 21/22s of Detmer to beat him. If Detmer can get near his 4:04 PR, he may have a chance.

4:05.0 yields 8000 points for Detmer. 4:26.0 yields 8000 points for Horn.

And just for fun: 3:57.1 yields 8201 and the A standard (and a decathlon 1500WR) for Horn.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby bushop » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:47 pm

slowjo wrote:Still think Eaton need to get past the shuffle in the SP. :P
There are world class shot putters (2-3) that use a similar technique.
The Eaton Shuffle

Hardee does not have to complete this deca to go to London... correct?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Grasshopper » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:54 pm

DecFan wrote:Horn with another big PR in the JT, while Detmer fell short of my expectations. So HOrn is at 7229 and Detmer 7083. As stated above, Detmer is a good 1500m runner who, with third place on the line and in cool conditions, is likely to run 4:13/14, and maybe faster. Horn's PR is 4:29. Horn needs to stay within about 21/22s of Detmer to beat him. If Detmer can get near his 4:04 PR, he may have a chance.

4:05.0 yields 8000 points for Detmer. 4:26.0 yields 8000 points for Horn.

And just for fun: 3:57.1 yields 8201 and the A standard (and a decathlon 1500WR) for Horn.

Lowest 3rd-place score since 1984 (from Ken Nakamura's stats) is Kip Janvrin's 8057-pts in 2000.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:58 pm

bushop wrote:
slowjo wrote:Still think Eaton need to get past the shuffle in the SP. :P
There are world class shot putters (2-3) that use a similar technique.

Hardee does not have to complete this deca to go to London... correct?



There is more technically wrong han that with Eaton's SP. Big pause before the release many times. He just does not get full use of his leg strength either.


I am sure there is a good reason he sticks with it. Just think there is way more there-more room for improvement than in the PV IMHO.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:03 pm

bushop wrote:
Hardee does not have to complete this deca to go to London... correct?


That is correct. But all he needs to throw to take second place is about 20m (followed by 4:46 would give him 8031).
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Dave » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:04 pm

slowjo wrote:
bushop wrote:
slowjo wrote:Still think Eaton need to get past the shuffle in the SP. :P
There are world class shot putters (2-3) that use a similar technique.

Hardee does not have to complete this deca to go to London... correct?



There is more technically wrong han that with Eaton's SP. Big pause before the release many times. He just does not get full use of his leg strength either.


I am sure there is a good reason he sticks with it. Just think there is way more there-more room for improvement than in the PV IMHO.


What have other athletes, who are similar in size to Eaton, done with the shot? Is another meter or so feasible without adding bulk? I know he has improved significantly over the past couple years with all of his throws.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Grasshopper » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:09 pm

What's the deal with the jav? The hurdles and 100m have gone off so the weather must've improved. Why not jav updates?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby ralmcg » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:10 pm

Grasshopper wrote:What's the deal with the jav? The hurdles and 100m have gone off so the weather must've improved. Why not jav updates?


It resumed.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby hooptampa » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:11 pm

Clay with 63 meters and Helwick with 65-it looks like we're off! Come on Ashton!!!!
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:13 pm

57m throw for Hardee. Obviously well off of 69m, but that's not a go-through-the-motions throw. He's going for points.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:14 pm

58.87 for Ashton! The WR is within sight!
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:15 pm

With no improvement, 4:16.2 gets the Wr.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby gh » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:15 pm

Frank Zarnowski agrees. WR definitely back in play (and the AR of course is a slam-dunk).
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Grasshopper » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:16 pm

DecFan wrote:57m throw for Hardee. Obviously well off of 69m, but that's not a go-through-the-motions throw. He's going for points.

They must've allowed Hardee to re-take his 1st throw, as the foul no longer appears under his results (1st throw now shows as the 57m one).
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:17 pm

DecFan wrote:58.87 for Ashton! The WR is within sight!



I thought he had to be in the 62m range? Nice opener though.

Come on Ashton!!!

re throws is very unusual. Probably the fair thing to do though.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby gh » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:19 pm

let's hope weather lets Ashton get his remaining throws in sequence.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Dave » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:20 pm

slowjo wrote:
DecFan wrote:58.87 for Ashton! The WR is within sight!



I thought he had to be in the 62m range? Nice opener though.

Come on Ashton!!!

re throws is very unusual. Probably the fair thing to do though.



He needed 61.5 with a 4:20. I suspect people are thinking that he can do significantly better than 4:20.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby hooptampa » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:22 pm

by my calculations with no improvement from 58.87 Eaton needs:

4:36.3 for the AR

4:16.5 for the WR

He ran 4:18.94 at Worlds last year, and has also run 4:20.x twice. Let's not forget he has tremendous 1000 speed indoors either.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:23 pm

As amazing as we have seen Eaton perform in this meet, two world Deca bests, etc., and a very fast 1,500 still needed, it shows how good Sebrle's record is! Eaton's gonna do it! Go Ashton!
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby olorin » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:24 pm

DecFan wrote:With no improvement, 4:16.2 gets the Wr.

Every meter in the JT is worth ~2.5 second in the 1,500. Another meter or two will do wonderful to his WR cahnces
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:24 pm

hooptampa wrote:by my calculations with no improvement from 58.87 Eaton needs:

4:36.3 for the AR

4:16.5 for the WR

He ran 4:18.94 at Worlds last year, and has also run 4:20.x twice. Let's not forget he has tremendous 1000 speed indoors either.



Oohh it is very possible then.

My stomach is in knots. :?
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby tm71 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:25 pm

This is the first time eaton will beat hardee in the javelin for good reason. I think Ashton should try once more to see if he can hit a 60 n throw so he will only need 420
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:25 pm

Unless Ashton improves on his final throw, the exact time he needs is 4:16.23 to break the record. 4:16.37 will tie it.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Dave » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:26 pm

odelltrclan wrote:As amazing as we have seen Eaton perform in this meet, two world Deca bests, etc., and a very fast 1,500 still needed, it shows how good Sebrle's record is! Eaton's gonna do it! Go Ashton!


No kidding. This is not a soft world record.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby slowjo » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:29 pm

I think it is safe to say Ashton will take his last throw.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby DecFan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:31 pm

No improvement. 4:16.23 is the target.
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Re: 2012OT mDec—the Big 3!

Postby Grasshopper » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:31 pm

Sounds like there's a lightning scare. I wouldn't want to be standing in an open field with a long metal spear in my hand when there's lightning nearby. If Eaton were to get struck then you'd have to think Sebrle and Dan have a special place in God's heart.
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