¶2012OT w100H—Dawn Harper 12.73

[lonewolf]

Not at all. Lolo handed Dawn the Oly ch.. it was up to Dawn to capitalize on it.

[ATK]

Not at all. Lolo handed Dawn the Oly ch.. it was up to Dawn to capitalize on it.

SO what your saying is that Lolo planned this from that start.
She planned to hit the hurdle knowing that it would get her tons of media attention, and tons more dollars.

[TrackDaddy]

lonewolf

For example...

Yesterday Lolo could've deferred to Dawn as the trials champion and acknowledged her for winning instead of going over the top acting as though she'd won and drawing all attention to herself.

That, was her fault.

Yes, the objective was to make the team which she's done before but that was nonsense and selfish.

In her interviews she could acknowledge Dawn as deserving of being the winner since you have to clear the hurdles in order to win. It doesn't matter if you're leading after 9 hurdles if you fail to clear the 10th one.

[lonewolf]

Not at all. Lolo handed Dawn the Oly ch.. it was up to Dawn to capitalize on it.

SO what your saying is that Lolo planned this from that start.
She planned to hit the hurdle knowing that it would get her tons of media attention, and tons more dollars.

Of course not. I am not saying that at all. Lolo was gracious in defeat in 08, blaming no one but herself, saying it is a ten hurdle race and she hit the ninth..
If you want to criticize her post race demeanor, that is everyones perogative.
I'm through with this pissing match.

[lilwayne1814]

One's dislike for LoLo can be described as a hater, but I get it. Unfortunately, in the media, unlike Harper, LoLo has the complexion for the protection. I liken it to my disdain for Sharapova over either of the Williams in tennis. It's just the way it is I guess. Having added my .02 I wish her a medal in London but desire the gold to Harper or Wells.

[vip]

Speaking of media attention, I don't think Lolo or Dawn have ever graced the cover of The Bible of the Sport. Although I could be wrong.

What up with that, gh?

[Marlow]

In America, a human with a White mother and a Black father or a Black mother and a White father has always been considered Black. Ask our current President if you don't believe me.

That is many people's perspective, but it is out-dated, obsolete, insulting on many levels and just flat-out ignorant. There is no reason for us to perpetuate that nonsense.

[SevenOf Nine]

I watched Track and Field a lot and most of the things I admire about the sport is the true sportsmanship that the athletes have shown towards each other which I think makes one of the most classiest sports out there. When one wines a race the others hug and give them a pat on back and the winner never gets overbloated with their ego. A true athlete moves on to the next task and track and field athletes especially the top women to show the most class.

Lolo on the other hand pissed on that sportsmanship and acted like an insane ghettoite. It is one thing to celebrate but to upstage the winner and hog the camera is classless. Lolo has become the "face" of the T&F and I understand why she gets the push she got eight endorsements her face plastered on every Olympic commerical and plus I respect the obstacles she had to overcome and the media has fallen in love over her story but this over the top theatrics really does lower morale in the sport and the athletes. This sport is more then just one big star it is about the team and if Lolo had any class then she would've acknowledged Dawn as a good contender and if the media had any sense they could've brought up Dawn's win in 2008. They want to play around with history and be Lolo Jones cheerleader. Believe me I want to see Lolo win but what I can't stand is to see an athlete turn into a diva and she should stay humble.

I don't see Sanya Richards Ross and Carmelita Jeter parading around. They are staying focused until they win the medal.

[vip]

Lolo has little to no shot at a medal so this was her shining moment. And she mentioned how no one expected her to make the team, which I slyly suspect was a jab at some of her competitors, who complained about the attention she was getting just days ago.

And while I do recognize how track athletes congratulate each other and whatnot, I also suspect there's a fair amount of phony-ness behind some of those made-for-TV hugs. Like any other profession, jealousy can run deep, particularly in a sport where athletes whine about not being noticed or getting their "due."

[aaronk]

Speaking of media attention, I don't think Lolo or Dawn have ever graced the cover of The Bible of the Sport. Although I could be wrong.

What up with that, gh?

I'm not "gh", but here's your answer:

NEVER!!

Or at least not in the past 10 years of T&FN!!
(I own them all!!)

Since January 2011, four women have graced T&RN's cover:
Felix (Mar '11)
Flanagan (May '11)
Jessica Beard (June '11)
Simpson (Nov '11)

NONE (so far) in 2012!!!

The last time ANY sprint hurdler was on the cover was Sept '10 when Oliver was there.
I did NOT count the year-end wrap-up issues, when there are dual covers.
This year's had V Cheruiyot, but her cover was inside the magazine!!

The last time a FEMALE sprint hurdler was on the cover was back in the early 00's, when Gail Devers was on!!

BTW, the first time Usain Bolt was on the cover was Sept '03!!
(Just some trivia!!)

[SevenOf Nine]

That has been shown between Dawn Harper and Lolo Jones but I think it is worse because the winner is not getting recognition. At least jealously typically is aimed towards winners in sports but instead it is the completly opposite and the more disrespectful and that is ignoring the winner the person who saved the USA Team but instead acknowledge the screw up. The media has been very guilty of the this. I can't blame Dawn for getting pissed because she is trying her best to be a class act but it is blatant in your face disrespect.

The thing is that at least winners get what they deserve and that is endorsements and media publicity. Allyson Felix, Sonya Ross, all rightfully deserve to get their shine and they have made a difference and acclerated the sport of Track and Field. This woman Lolo Jones has not won anything and has been inconsistent yes of course she has been plagued by injuries but they treat this girl has if she is the second coming of Gail Devers and that they have overrated her abilities where they brainwash fans to believe that she is the actual star of the team.She has gotten over eight endorsements and become the covergirl of Track and Field and I think giving the loser more coverage is more disrespectful to the athletes who work hard and win .

[vip]

Um, sevenofnine, you need to check Lolo's resume before you play the "she has not won anything" card.

Unless you believe an Olympic gold medal is everything. In which case, no, she hasn't won anything.

[vip]

Oh, and I guess every time a company wants to pay Lolo to endorse their product, she's supposed to say, "no thank you, it would be a great disrespect to my fellow competitors for me to earn a living that way."

And when the media wants to tell her story, which is a good one, she should say, no thanks, I'd rather not anyone know.

And when the fans want her to sign autographs (they lined up at the stadium for her yesterday) she's supposed to blow them off because, you know, it's wrong to acknowledge all the attention.

Got it.

[SevenOf Nine]

Um, sevenofnine, you need to check Lolo's resume before you play the "she has not won anything" card.

Unless you believe an Olympic gold medal is everything. In which case, no, she hasn't won anything.

I checked out her bio she was great in 2008 but she has been inconsistent in post 2008 she has won here and there but she has been plagued with injuries and has landed 2,3 and 4 spots within the competition. Believe me I am not hating on Lolo and I love her charity work and don't want her to lose but I am just bringing to light the unfair bias that has been shown towards Lolo and disrepsect towards Dawn. Yes their favorite did not win but be fair and acknowledge the person who brought the gold home! Winners are winners and Dawn won!

[SevenOf Nine]

Oh, and I guess every time a company wants to pay Lolo to endorse their product, she's supposed to say, "no thank you, it would be a great disrespect to my fellow competitors for me to earn a living that way."

And when the media wants to tell her story, which is a good one, she should say, no thanks, I'd rather not anyone know.

And when the fans want her to sign autographs (they lined up at the stadium for her yesterday) she's supposed to blow them off because, you know, it's wrong to acknowledge all the attention.

Got it.

I am not talking about fans I am talking about the media coverage.

[nicest person ever]

Ugly people always can see the ugliness in everyone else(in this case i mean on the inside). I find Lolo to be genuinely pleasant with a very warm personality. So what she tweets alot and is very colorful in her off time? Like others have said before she is winning many new fans to the sport and that is a good thing.

I agree, and find it to be very "Catty" to dislike or hope for Lolo's failure simply because others (media) are paying more attention to her than Harper.

WOW, you couldn't POSSIBLY have missed my point more severely.

The reason I hate Lolo isn't because the media has decided to focus on her (although that is HIGHLY unfortunate), if it was just that alone, obviously it would be extremely unfair for me to hate her for something that is out of her control.

No.

The reason I hate Lolo is because of how she acts, and her general attitude and demeanor.

1. She acts like a total BITCH. Sorry if some of you are too clueless or unperceptive to pick up on little mannerisms, body language, and read between the lines in what someone says when they speak, but, she just OOZES stuck up, overly-self-centered, non-classy, poor-sportsmanship like CRAZY. I have NEVER seen someone exude these negative qualities as severely as her.

Just watch how she acted after the OT finals the other day, it was gross, she barely even congratulated Dawn, and then rolled around flailing on the ground screaming and then jumped around the edge of the audience for a long ass time screaming and waving hogging all the attention while ignoring the women who OH THAT'S RIGHT... FUCKING DEFEATED HER who were awkwardly just left upstaged in the background while Lolo strutted and pandered around endlessly, refusing to let up or let the two who beat her get any of their due or congratulations from her/the crowd. Ughhhhh

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[nicest person ever]

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Then during the interviews, when the media automatically focused on her obnoxiously loud blabberness, instead of being polite or showing any genuine sportsmanship towards her two team mates who beat her, she GLADLY hogged all the attention, squeezing every last drop she could out of it. She could have at least made some sort of acknowledgement of Dawn, and what a great performer she is as reigning gold medal champ and now winning OT again to return to defend and what an honor it is to be in the company of such a stellar champion as Dawn, but NOOOOOOO of course nothing of any sort, instead she ignores the fuck out of them and just hogs it all up like she ALWAYS DOES. And no it's not a 1 time thing, it's how she has always acted in every freaking interview I ever see of her, she always comes across like this, it's the reason why I've ALWAYS disliked her, this isn't something new. She really just comes off extremely gross and bitchy, it's infuriating to watch.

And then in the post-race press conference, which I posted a link to earlier in this thread (go watch it if you want to cringe really bad), she just continues with it worse than ever.

As someone who has a degree in psychology, and someone who played poker professionally for many years, all I can say is, I am not exactly terrible at "reading people", and in Lolo's case, my read on her is that she is one of the worst people I have ever witnessed in my entire life.

[j-a-m]

She could have at least made some sort of acknowledgement of Dawn,

Both Merritt and Gatlin showed how it's done in their interviews, by mentioning how great it is to be on a team together with the other two.

[Marlow]

As someone who has a degree in psychology

As someone else with a psychology degree, I think you're full of . . . flawed perspective. You have filtered her behavior through your own little world-view and heaped a bunch of nonsense on someone whom you little understand (obviously). She is a very spontaneous, out-going, communicative, feelings-on-her-sleeve personality, which I appreciate. You see a conniving bitch; I see a a woman who has little self-consciousness and lets her feelings show.

[nicest person ever]

Well then you should get some glasses, cuz you're seeing a bunch of incorrect stuff

[Marlow]

Well then you should get some glasses, cuz you're seeing a bunch of incorrect stuff

I have 20/20 mind-sight!

[nicest person ever]

Based on previous posts where you mentioned how you thought she was extremely attractive, I think you just have severe cognitive dissonance issues where no matter how blatantly she comes across as a giant bitch, you refuse to not re-frame it into some sort of innocent non-bad context, otherwise it would clash with your stuff.

You should come in and see me twice a week, I'll help you get through it (for $500/hr).

[Marlow]

Based on previous posts where you mentioned how you thought she was extremely attractive, I think you just have severe cognitive dissonance issues where no matter how blatantly she comes across as a giant bitch, you refuse to not re-frame it into some sort of innocent non-bad context, otherwise it would clash with your stuff.
You should come in and see me twice a week, I'll help you get through it (for $500/hr).

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful . . .

[mrbowie]

Nicest Person Ever, how can you make a statement like that about Lolo Jones?

She is an admirable human being and a gifted athlete that has given back to her sport and created a great image for herself.

After racing lousy in the rounds, she surprised herself in the final and reacted accordingly. I thought she was genuine in her actions.

And as an aside, a combination of a therapist and a professional poker player? Gimme a break! Two job titles that add up to "know it alls."

Anybody that gambles for a living and claims to make money at it is generally full of something that smells worse than nonsense.

[j-a-m]

Anybody that gambles for a living

Gambling and playing poker are two different things. Poker's a game of probabilities, which is different from gambling.

[nicest person ever]

Lol, it's all good. You are one of my favorite posters. I am just very passionate about my anti-Lolo way of life, sorry if I got a little carried away.

[nicest person ever]

Anybody that gambles for a living

Gambling and playing poker are two different things. Poker's a game of probabilities, which is different from gambling.

This is correct.

In true "gambling" games such as craps, roulette, etc, you are playing against the casino, and you have an inherent negative-edge against you. The game is formatted in such a way that for each bet you make, the casino has a small but ever present several percent edge on every bet you make simply as a result of the rules of the game, it is literally impossible to change your odds, in the longrun you are guaranteed to lose, it's just math.

In Poker, on the other hand, you are not playing against the casino, you are playing against the other players at the table, and the casino merely takes a small fraction of a percent of each pot (which is called the "rake"). Thus, if you are better at poker than your opponents by a wide enough margin to outweigh the "rake" that the casino rakes away from each pot, you win in the longrun.

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[nicest person ever]

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It is a game of skill and understanding math and probability. A very good poker player can make a huge amount of money in the longrun, and not out of luck, but out of skill. Over the span of 1 single hand, or even several hundred or several thousand hands of poker, luck can easily prevail, as short-term variance is large, since even the best players' edge isn't that large over a small sample size of hands played, but, in the long run, if you play hundreds of thousands of hands of poker over the span of a long period of time, if you are making superior decisions than your opponents (i.e. folding the losing hand correctly a bit more often than your opponents, and extracting more value on your winning hands than your opponents, in the longrun, then, you will end up winning in the long run. Most players are losing players however, as it takes a lot of skill and a good understanding of the probability of various draws (like, you need to know for example if there is $230 in the pot, and your opponent bets $200 on the turn, so there is one card remaining to come on the river, and you have an ace high flush draw, you need to be able to quickly and accurately understand what your odds of hitting your flush draw on the next card are (9 remaining cards of your suit in the deck, out of 46 unseen cards is 9/46 odds, so about 1 chance in 5 of hitting the flush draw on the final card, whereas its $200 to you, so $200 to win a $630 pot, thus, so, you would've needed 1 chance in 3 of hitting the flush to correctly call, so, calling would be incorrect, you need to be able to comprehend these poker math situations, along with a lot of other stuff), this is the type of stuff that goes into playing winning poker in the longrun, as one small example. But anyway, yea it is not "gambling" in the sense that you are thinking of it, it is a skill game in the longrun, like chess.

[lonewolf]

I avoid pissing matches like the plague. I don't think in 7000 posts in five years I have ever posted a negative personal opinion about another poster but it is time for some constructive critism.
I do not have a Psychology degree and don't play poker. I just know that in twenty years in the Army and fifty years in the oil patch, I crossed paths with a broad spectrum of not so nice people and I have never encountered anyone as irrationally deranged on any subject as NPE is about Lolo Jones.
One wonders, if he is this upset by the actions of others, how he can contain himself when trusted with truly unpleasant confidences of his clients? Truly bizarre.
It is inconceivable that a sane person could harbor such animosity toward someone they do not know personally, who has not done them any personal harm, is not a criminal, mass murderer or terrorist but simply enjoys the benefit of hard work, does charitable work and exults in life.
As a Psychologist, NPE surely must be aware that, even if you disapprove, such violent, repetitous ranting about the harmless personal traits of another is not "normal" or acceptable to most people. In fact, the rules of this forum forbid such personal attacks on another poster or against outsiders on the subject of politics, religion and sexual orientation.
Beauty is in the "eye of the beholder", as the cliche goes. If, contrary to popular concensus, you don't consider someone attractive, that is not a logical reason to hate them. Pity them. If their behavior in every situation does not conform to your personal code of conduct, so what?
NPE behavior does not please me but I do not hate him..rather I wonder about his mental state and how he can function in polite, every day society.
NPE has had his say (repeatedly). Now, I have had mine. That will conclude my remarks on this subject.

[nicest person ever]

lol

1. First of all, I'm not a pyschologist, and probably never will be (for obvious reasons, lol). I merely have a degree in psychology (I graduated from college a few weeks ago). My back and forth with Marlow was IN JEST, as I thought was pretty obvious by the tone/flow of it, but, just in case anyone was unable to comprehend that, I even put the emoticon in it both times just to make it extra clear, but, I guess even that wasn't enough. Sigh. I guess my humor isn't for everyone.

2. I totally agree that it would normally be totally unnecessary to mention that a certain athlete is very bad looking, and I have NEVER done that with any other athlete (ever), in my entire life, since I am well aware that people can't help the way their face looks, as it is just the way they are born, and thus it is messed up to diss them for having an ugly face. However, given that she herself has gone so far as to say she can't help being prettier than her peers (PUH-lease...), she opened herself up to it, so, if she's gonna be so ridiculous as to say something like that, AND random people with terrible vision are going to idiotically attempt to even AGREE with that ridiculous nonsense, due to getting so caught up in the mob mentality of being a fan of her and everything she does/says no matter what where she can do no wrong in their eyes, and everything is perfect about her in their eyes, it just begs a correcting counter-response. In any case, I am done with that, as I strongly dislike discussing looks, and only did it as a necessary evil, since she and her fans forced me to, by implying that she's way prettier than her peers (so, given that's she clearly isn't, I had to be like "uh... no...", it's not my fault they said incorrect stuff, blame them, not me.))

[nicest person ever]

Basically, part of the reason why I am the nicest person of all time ever, is that when I see pure evil, I rebel AGAINST it. For example, if I had been alive in the 1930's-40's, when the Nazis in Germany were cheering wildly for Hitler, and saying that he was such a great guy, even though he clealry wasn't, I would've been like "DUDES, you are all WRONG. This guy is a total JERK! I can't believe you guys are having so much trouble noticing this!"

Identically, when an extremely mean, crappy person like Lolo acts like a huge JERK towards all her peers, and uses cheap propaganda tactics to amass a huge following of hypnotized non-thinking drones drooling in admiration of her, I feel that same duty to be as nice to the human race as I can, and rebel against that evil nazi-esque regime that she is trying to inject into the womens 100 hurdles. I feel like it would be un-nice of me, as far as my responsibility to the human race, to not say something, and try to get people to realize they are being duped into being fans of a giant MEANO!

So you see, I am the nicest person ever, if you think about it in like, a grander sense, as far as being nice to the human race OVERALL, rather than just nit picking the individual posts I have to make to accomplish that overall level of niceness in the grand scheme of things.

Get it?

[Gabriella]

Thanks to YouTube I caught up on the final. Harper looked aggressive and is now obviously one of the medal favourites for London. I wonder, with the pressure & expectation on the shoulders of Pearson, could Harper even sneak in & get the big one again?

Respect to Lolo for making the team; like most I thought she'd be lucky to make the final here. She did go a bit OTT after the race, but let's face it, she's going to the Olympics, who wouldnt be jumping with joy?

We're not exposed to her as much over here in the UK, but she does have an air about her, but let's face it, I think most women on the track have an inner b*tch. There did seem a lot of tension in that press room, but that's good. Reminds me of Gwen Barcelona 92

[nicest person ever]

(and just in case you still don't understand my sense of humor, the previous post I wrote (the one with the 1930's comparison), for example, was intended to be funny. If you were reading my previous post in a serious tone, instead of as intentionally-ridiculous tongue-in-cheek humor, then you are doing it wrong).

[nicest person ever]

Thanks to YouTube I caught up on the final. Harper looked aggressive and is now obviously one of the medal favourites for London. I wonder, with the pressure & expectation on the shoulders of Pearson, could Harper even sneak in & get the big one again?

Respect to Lolo for making the team; like most I thought she'd be lucky to make the final here. She did go a bit OTT after the race, but let's face it, she's going to the Olympics, who wouldnt be jumping with joy?

We're not exposed to her as much over here in the UK, but she does have an air about her, but let's face it, I think most women on the track have an inner b*tch. There did seem a lot of tension in that press room, but that's good. Reminds me of Gwen Barcelona 92

I agree. I actually like the tension aspect of how pissed off Dawn seems to be getting, because of Lolo's atrocious behavior. It's almost cinematic in nature. I think it will motivate Dawn to put up some AMAZING performances (especially she ends up in Lolo's heat in the semis or something) in London. You can tell she's just dying to lay the smackdown on Lolo at this point, and the bigger the stage, the better, as she is fed up of being ignored by everyone in favor of America's "dreamgirl".

I can't wait to see if that burning anger in Dawn's gut will be enough to push her past Pearson or not. If Pearson runs a perfect race, I don't think she can, but, if Pearson screws up even just a tiny bit, I think a hellbent Dawn, focused on zooming past Lolo, could accidentally pass Sally on the way to the line as well! It's not outside the realm of possibility! Go Dawn!!!

[ATK]

Respect to Lolo for making the team; like most I thought she'd be lucky to make the final here. She did go a bit OTT after the race, but let's face it, she's going to the Olympics, who wouldnt be jumping with joy?

How about the 400m kid who took a shotgun to the legs 3 years ago...