¶2012OT w100—Carmelita Jeter 10.92

[jamaica50]

Felix seems as if she will not yield.

She thinks she will be a factor in the 100 at the OG.

She is slow from the blocks, lacks a transition at any of the stages and lacks explosiveness. She is so stiff her speed cannot develop. Her execution is so deliberate, it looks mechanical...no fluidity.

She will be giving up a stride or two to the likes of VCB and SAFP at the start.
It seems they must have her in the 100m squad for reasons known only to them.


She is just not a 100m sprinter.

[bambam]

It would help if they used the most powerful technology out there. Not only is there the electron microscope, but there are cameras capable of taking pictures at more than 10,000, or even a million, frames a second.

No, they should not do this. Swimming calls all races tied at 1/100th a tie after a race at the 1972 Olympics (400IM) that was decided by 2/1000ths. They then discovered that such a margin could occur if one lane had an extra coat of paint. Cross-country skiing does the same for any race and will not measure now to the 1/100th even.

When you get down to 1/1000th in track & field, you get similar problems. How accurate are the lane measurements? If they are off by a millimetre or 2, that likely equates to 1/1000th second or more. Same with the line on a finish photo. How accurate is that - if it is angled by a milli-fraction of a degree, then times between lanes can be thrown off.

Nothing wrong with a tie - just need to decide how to break it in these rare cases where that is necessary.

[bambam]

whispering in their ear like Grima Wormtongue to a possessed Théoden!

Did not know that CookyMonzta was secretly Dennis Miller.

[j-a-m]

When you get down to 1/1000th in track & field, you get similar problems

Agreed. There are so many tiny inaccuracies, and once you talk about 1/1000 or even 1/10000 of a second, those tiny inaccuracies become relevant.

[gwwayne]

It would help if they used the most powerful technology out there. Not only is there the electron microscope, but there are cameras capable of taking pictures at more than 10,000, or even a million, frames a second.

No, they should not do this. Swimming calls all races tied at 1/100th a tie after a race at the 1972 Olympics (400IM) that was decided by 2/1000ths. They then discovered that such a margin could occur if one lane had an extra coat of paint. Cross-country skiing does the same for any race and will not measure now to the 1/100th even.

When you get down to 1/1000th in track & field, you get similar problems. How accurate are the lane measurements? If they are off by a millimetre or 2, that likely equates to 1/1000th second or more. Same with the line on a finish photo. How accurate is that - if it is angled by a milli-fraction of a degree, then times between lanes can be thrown off.

Nothing wrong with a tie - just need to decide how to break it in these rare cases where that is necessary.

Actually--I hit the quote button and disputed this quote--I think it is a tie

[maroon]

Felix seems as if she will not yield.

She thinks she will be a factor in the 100 at the OG.

She is slow from the blocks, lacks a transition at any of the stages and lacks explosiveness. She is so stiff her speed cannot develop. Her execution is so deliberate, it looks mechanical...no fluidity.

She will be giving up a stride or two to the likes of VCB and SAFP at the start.
It seems they must have her in the 100m squad for reasons known only to them.


She is just not a 100m sprinter.

jamaica50 -- why did you copy a post made by a different poster on another site and present it here as your own work? you went to the trouble of excising the portion that would result in a ban from this site, but you couldn't give the original poster credit for his words?

[j-a-m]

According to USATF website:

"USA Track & Field has consulted with the affected athletes and their support teams regarding the tiebreaker for the women’s 100 meters. USATF will finalize the tiebreaker mechanism to be used after reconvening with the athletes and their coach following Saturday night’s final of the women’s 200 meters. USATF will announce the final tiebreaker Saturday evening or Sunday morning."

Good news, USATF lets athletes focus on 200 first.

[jamaica50]

Felix seems as if she will not yield.

She thinks she will be a factor in the 100 at the OG.

She is slow from the blocks, lacks a transition at any of the stages and lacks explosiveness. She is so stiff her speed cannot develop. Her execution is so deliberate, it looks mechanical...no fluidity.

She will be giving up a stride or two to the likes of VCB and SAFP at the start.
It seems they must have her in the 100m squad for reasons known only to them.


She is just not a 100m sprinter.

jamaica50 -- why did you copy a post made by a different poster on another site and present it here as your own work? you went to the trouble of excising the portion that would result in a ban from this site, but you couldn't giving the original poster credit for his words?

I am quoting my own words. I post under another moniker on that website.

[ATK]

Tyson tells Allyson "Give up your spot right now".

Great call Tyson. I like his reasons.



http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/at ... 62b0064286

I don't like his first reason. That she will be a bigger star if she walks away.
The fact is she is a competitor. Even if she is a better 200m runner, nothing is given, and the Olympics is every athletes dream. If she walks away here, and doesn't make the team in the 200, now her Olympic gold medal dream is gone for another 4 years.
Most of these athletes don't train to be stars. They could have gone to Movies, TV, Acting etc.
They train to reach the highest level of competition and be the best at their sport against that competition.

[j-a-m]

I don't like his first reason. That she will be a bigger star if she walks away.
The fact is she is a competitor.

Exactly. I can think of one valid reason for Felix to walk away, and even that would be only after making the team in the 200: Her sub-par performance in the 100 has shown her that she's not where she wants to be in that event, and she decides to focus completely on the 200.

[guru]

Let me tell you what I dont like - I dont like that the athletes(or more to the point, the coach) are the ones controlling this decision. Can you think of any other sport where the athletes make the rules? USATF should have come out with the verdict of a runoff(if one doesnt step aside), set a race date(preferably yesterday, or sooner) and that would have been that.

[asindc]

Let me tell you what I dont like - I dont like that the athletes(or more to the point, the coach) are the ones controlling this decision. Can you think of any other sport where the athletes make the rules? USATF should have come out with the verdict of a runoff(if one doesnt step aside), set a race date(preferably yesterday, or sooner) and that would have been that.

I think USATF has made rules that the athletes are now bound to follow. In other words, they can't both say, "Take us both!" Besides, there is no hurry to make a decision, no matter who is making it.

[fasttrack85]

Let me tell you what I dont like - I dont like that the athletes(or more to the point, the coach) are the ones controlling this decision. Can you think of any other sport where the athletes make the rules? USATF should have come out with the verdict of a runoff(if one doesnt step aside), set a race date(preferably yesterday, or sooner) and that would have been that.

I also think there is a little leeway considering that the rules are being created after the fact. I like the new rules because it gives alot of options to the athletes to agree or disagree and if they can't agree on the same thing then they implement a mandatory stipulation.

I think they should also have a clause that allows the athletes to choose when they want to do the runoff if they both agree and if they don't then implement a mandatory stipulation.

[bambam]

What about penalty kicks?

[maroon]

Felix seems as if she will not yield.

She thinks she will be a factor in the 100 at the OG.

She is slow from the blocks, lacks a transition at any of the stages and lacks explosiveness. She is so stiff her speed cannot develop. Her execution is so deliberate, it looks mechanical...no fluidity.

She will be giving up a stride or two to the likes of VCB and SAFP at the start.
It seems they must have her in the 100m squad for reasons known only to them.


She is just not a 100m sprinter.

jamaica50 -- why did you copy a post made by a different poster on another site and present it here as your own work? you went to the trouble of excising the portion that would result in a ban from this site, but you couldn't giving the original poster credit for his words?

I am quoting my own words. I post under another moniker on that website.

ok, then we have a mystery on our hands. the person who posted those words at the caribbean track and field forum said he doesn't post here.

[jamaica50]

Felix seems as if she will not yield.

She thinks she will be a factor in the 100 at the OG.

She is slow from the blocks, lacks a transition at any of the stages and lacks explosiveness. She is so stiff her speed cannot develop. Her execution is so deliberate, it looks mechanical...no fluidity.

She will be giving up a stride or two to the likes of VCB and SAFP at the start.
It seems they must have her in the 100m squad for reasons known only to them.


She is just not a 100m sprinter.

jamaica50 -- why did you copy a post made by a different poster on another site and present it here as your own work? you went to the trouble of excising the portion that would result in a ban from this site, but you couldn't giving the original poster credit for his words?

I am quoting my own words. I post under another moniker on that website.

ok, then we have a mystery on our hands. the person who posted those words at the caribbean track and field forum said he doesn't post here.

You are so clueless, I was the one who responded to you over there.

[ATK]

Tianna Madison Blogging about her days at the Olympic Trials. She seems like such a nice person.
In her second post she breaks down how she runs the 100m.

http://www.cleveland.com/olympics/index ... index.html

[dukehjsteve]

Probably not the most original prediction , but I would bet good money that Felix will qualify in the 200 ( probably winning as well) and then promptly will relinquish her 100 spot. A win-win for everyone. And Felix will also of course end up running one very fine leg on the 4x100 in London along with the other 3.

[mcgato]

Wow this thread has more discussion than the world record in the decathlon. I saw it trending that way, so I had to mention it. Not sure what it says, but I just had to put it out there.

[Pego]

Probably not the most original prediction , but I would bet good money that Felix will qualify in the 200 ( probably winning as well) and then promptly will relinquish her 100 spot. A win-win for everyone. And Felix will also of course end up running one very fine leg on the 4x100 in London along with the other 3.

I'll join you in this bet.

[jamaica50]

Probably not the most original prediction , but I would bet good money that Felix will qualify in the 200 ( probably winning as well) and then promptly will relinquish her 100 spot. A win-win for everyone. And Felix will also of course end up running one very fine leg on the 4x100 in London along with the other 3.

I'll join you in this bet.

I'll third that bet.

[bushop]

You never know what could come from a runoff...

On September 6, 1988 Martina Hellmann and Ilke Wyludda went head-to-head at the Kienbaum training camp to choose the 3rd discus thrower on the East German Seoul Olympic team. While 19 year–old Wyludda threw a lifetime best of 75.36m (247'2") she stayed home as Hellmann punched her ticket with throws of 76.92m, 76.56m, 75.66m and a Beamonesque 78.14m (256'4").

Three weeks later Hellmann returned from Korea with the gold while teammate Diana Gansky won silver (72.30m and 71.88m). The third GDR thrower Gabriele Reinsch followed her July 9 world record of 76.80m (251'11") in Neubrandenburg's wind tunnel with an Olympic 7th place ribbon (green?) at 67.26m.

[tm71]

What about penalty kicks?

funny. sometimes those five minutes have more action than two hours worth of a game. regardless even fifa dont like the tiebraker and want to find something else. doing a run off in a sprint race or field event makes sense, but what about a 5 or 10 k ? in this case too much frackas has been made. i think felix will make the team in the 200 and allow tarmoh to compete in the 100. both will also be in the relay pool so too much fuss about nothing !

[Marlow]

I would bet good money that Felix will qualify in the 200 ( probably winning as well) and then promptly will relinquish her 100 spot.

Gee, didn't I say that about 300 posts ago!

I just reread USATF's proclamation and it is the SILLIEST bunch of double-talk EVER.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they not MEAN:
"It will be a run-off, unless both agree to a coin-toss."

[Flumpy]

Tyson tells Allyson "Give up your spot right now".

Great call Tyson. I like his reasons.

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/at ... 62b0064286

If she walks away here, and doesn't make the team in the 200, now her Olympic gold medal dream is gone for another 4 years.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that she should walk away before the 200m, in fact no decision at all about any of this should be taken before the 200m.

[Flumpy]

Probably not the most original prediction , but I would bet good money that Felix will qualify in the 200 ( probably winning as well) and then promptly will relinquish her 100 spot. A win-win for everyone. And Felix will also of course end up running one very fine leg on the 4x100 in London along with the other 3.

I'll join you in this bet.

I'll third that bet.

4th

This is clearly what is going to happen. I'm not sure why it's taken 14 pages of discussion.

[Blues]

This is clearly what is going to happen. I'm not sure why it's taken 14 pages of discussion.

I doubt whether the length of the discussion is primarily due to what the outcome will be.. Seems more to do with the highly unusual situation that occurred, whether fairness is served, and the past, present, and possible future handling of it by all of those involved. And it's drawn more attention because it involves a media darling superstar vs. a somewhat lesser known very talented athlete. The fact that they train together under the same coach makes it interesting also. And if Allyson withdraws from consideration in the 100 after qualifying for the 200, it's not necessarily a win-win situation for everyone if she had her heart set on doubling in London, and if Allyson doubling is what the powers at Nike and the media had hoped for also. I assume withdrawing from 100 consideration after making the team in the 200 is the way it will work out, but there could still be some disappointment on the part of one athlete and a few others when all things are settled.

I can understand your lesser interest in it all though, since it doesn't involve athletes from your country or your Olympic selection process.

[ATK]

Tyson tells Allyson "Give up your spot right now".

Great call Tyson. I like his reasons.

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/at ... 62b0064286

If she walks away here, and doesn't make the team in the 200, now her Olympic gold medal dream is gone for another 4 years.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that she should walk away before the 200m, in fact no decision at all about any of this should be taken before the 200m.

Did you watch Tyson's interview? He never says anything about waiting till after the 200, or even implies it. All he says is that if he was Allyson he would walk away because it would make her a bigger star.

[j-a-m]

but did they not MEAN:
"It will be a run-off, unless both agree to a coin-toss."

Technically, "It will be a run-off if at least one of the athletes requests it." Point remains, USATF said in ten sentences what could be said in one.

[shivfan]

Probably not the most original prediction , but I would bet good money that Felix will qualify in the 200 ( probably winning as well) and then promptly will relinquish her 100 spot. A win-win for everyone. And Felix will also of course end up running one very fine leg on the 4x100 in London along with the other 3.

I'll join you in this bet.

I'll third that bet.

4th

This is clearly what is going to happen. I'm not sure why it's taken 14 pages of discussion.

Why are you so certain this is what's going to happen? Has the USATF told you so?

This discussion has gone to 14 pages because the USATF still hasn't said which of Felix or Tarmoh is going to the Olympics....

And the discussion will run until that person is picked. It's big news if Felix doesn't make it, because of her profile.

[Marlow]

but did they not MEAN:
"It will be a run-off, unless both agree to a coin-toss."

Technically, "It will be a run-off if at least one of the athletes requests it."

I don't think so. If neither expresses a preference, it's still a run-off.

[DrGo]

Jeter and Madison are not very fond of each other. Could make an interesting rivalry (while Jeter lasts), but also could be trouble on relay.

[j-a-m]

I don't think so. If neither expresses a preference, it's still a run-off.

According to the USATF website, "If both athletes refuse to declare a preference regarding the method between a run off and coin toss in regards to how the tie is broken, the tie will be broken by coin toss."

[Marlow]

I don't think so. If neither expresses a preference, it's still a run-off.

According to the USATF website, "If both athletes refuse to declare a preference regarding the method between a run off and coin toss in regards to how the tie is broken, the tie will be broken by coin toss."

Oooohhh. OK, thanks - I obviously missed (repressed) that!

[guru]

Jeter and Madison are not very fond of each other. Could make an interesting rivalry (while Jeter lasts), but also could be trouble on relay.

I have no idea what the relationship is between Jeter and Madison, but the relay was fine in Daegu despite Bianca Knight's thinly veiled shots at Jeter following last year's USATF 200m