tsprint94 wrote:Cmon! Does anybody really believe Gatlin is "clean"??? A PR 8 years after winning gold in 2004? Not to mention who he is training under.... Ugh
maybe he wasn't ever dirty?
A couple of years ago I had a discussion with the guy he accused of putting steroid cream on him.
In short, they disagree.
That said, Gatlin has served his time and based on the criteria established has earned the benefit of the doubt and the right to compete. I wish him all the best.
I even saw him walking up against Allyson again. They were item when he was accused but afterwards the relationship abruptly ended. Smart girl, stay away from bad appearances whether legitimate or not.
Reminded me of when CJ got busted in Sydney. They were already down under, but he was buried by Marion during the news conference lol
tsprint94 wrote:Just heard Gatlin interviewed on Jim Rome today. He is still blaming massage therapist for rubbing something in that caused the positive test
Of course he is. His story cannot change now. Nor can it be expected to. He has made the Olympic team. Can't have a reversal of the story which would lead to people examining the initial penalty (8 years) and questioning everything that happened after that.
optimistic wrote:Well if it means anything Tyson Gay is signed up for that anti-doping program where they do additional testing and establish a baseline. He talked about it in an article I read recently. So, if you can't believe that at least he is clean, then you can't believe in anyone. Is he the only male sprinter that signed up?
This program should be mandatory for all runners. Why is it even an option in this day and age when a few bad apples are spoiling the sport for everyone
maybe Gatlin has recovered so well from his penalty time, due to drinking beer and screwing a lot before the events like his coach Dennis Mitchell said he did.
Note that Weldon Johnson writes a more realistic assessment of Gatlin and his coach on Letsrun than the American media who have suddenly fallen in love with Gatlin.
optimistic wrote:Well if it means anything Tyson Gay is signed up for that anti-doping program where they do additional testing and establish a baseline. He talked about it in an article I read recently. So, if you can't believe that at least he is clean, then you can't believe in anyone. Is he the only male sprinter that signed up?
This program should be mandatory for all runners. Why is it even an option in this day and age when a few bad apples are spoiling the sport for everyone
Cost, I'm sure.
I don't think gettting a "baseline" at the end of your career really means anything other than being a good PR move
Also lets not forget the fact that Tyson Gay's training partner, Steve Mullings last year was caught for a second time doping and was given a lifetime ban. Within approximately 2 weeks of that positive test, Gay shut his season down and had surgery after running a 9.79 in Clermont FL in only his second meet of the season.
optimistic wrote:Well if it means anything Tyson Gay is signed up for that anti-doping program where they do additional testing and establish a baseline. He talked about it in an article I read recently. So, if you can't believe that at least he is clean, then you can't believe in anyone. Is he the only male sprinter that signed up?
This program should be mandatory for all runners. Why is it even an option in this day and age when a few bad apples are spoiling the sport for everyone
Cost, I'm sure.
I don't think gettting a "baseline" at the end of your career really means anything other than being a good PR move
What are you talking about? You're saying that 2008 was the end of his career?
Is there any IAAF or WADA policy to expand the level of monitoring to athletes' management and support staff as it relates to PED control?
I mean an athlete (except for when they are on the field) is never a stand alone individual but more a product of Managers, agents, coaches and conditioners, who practically are significantly responsible for technichal, professional and other decisions and support surrounding the athletes who are 'Jocks' really who must be guided and instructed as to how to cheat by doping if ever any of them were found guilty.
Pelpa wrote:Is there any IAAF or WADA policy to expand the level of monitoring to athletes' management and support staff as it relates to PED control?
I mean an athlete (except for when they are on the field) is never a stand alone individual but more a product of Managers, agents, coaches and conditioners, who practically are significantly responsible for technichal, professional and other decisions and support surrounding the athletes who are 'Jocks' really who must be guided and instructed as to how to cheat by doping if ever any of them were found guilty.
It's rare for a coach or manager to face direct punishment in their capacity as facilitators for doping, since so much of the focus, and our rules, have to do with what the athlete had in his or her body, and not necessarily who gave it to them. If I recall correctly, Chuck Debus was the first coach ever banned by USATF/TAC (for life, if I recall correctly). The USOC banned Trevor Graham based on the number of athletes in his charge that tested positive, and USADA later levied a lifetime ban on Graham. Agent/coach Mark Block was banned for 10 years after evidence fromt he BALCO investigation showed that he was trafficking drugs.
Ned Ryerson wrote: It's rare for a coach or manager to face direct punishment in their capacity as facilitators for doping, since so much of the focus, and our rules, have to do with what the athlete had in his or her body, and not necessarily who gave it to them. If I recall correctly, Chuck Debus was the first coach ever banned by USATF/TAC (for life, if I recall correctly). The USOC banned Trevor Graham based on the number of athletes in his charge that tested positive, and USADA later levied a lifetime ban on Graham. Agent/coach Mark Block was banned for 10 years after evidence fromt he BALCO investigation showed that he was trafficking drugs.
And holding management/coaches responsible without proof would open up a massive legal can of worms. Proving wrongdoing, or instituting a monitoring program for anyone other than the athletes themselves, would probably involve extraordinary increases in expenses too.
Adding routine unannounced blood testing to urine testing would help improve compliance, but could be considered as a violation of athletes' rights since it's more invasive, and would increase expenses too. And because it's not hard in the case of certain PEDs to avoid a positive drug test if an athlete has well informed/well trained advisors who carefully monitor the dosage, timing, blood levels, and bodily excretion of those PEDs, it really isn't the best idea to suggest that one elite athlete may be doping while another isn't... Not everybody dopes, but because an athlete tested positive in the past has very little to do with who's guilty and who's innocent today, regardless of what country an athlete is from, or what coach or training partners the athlete is associated with... Unusually rapid and significant improvements in performance, especially when accompanied by marked and rapid increases in lean muscle mass or other various factors, warrant equal suspicion (but not accusations), despite the lack of a positive test.
tsprint94 wrote:Also lets not forget the fact that Tyson Gay's training partner, Steve Mullings last year was caught for a second time doping and was given a lifetime ban. Within approximately 2 weeks of that positive test, Gay shut his season down and had surgery after running a 9.79 in Clermont FL in only his second meet of the season.
What are you suggesting by our comment? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
tsprint94 wrote:Also lets not forget the fact that Tyson Gay's training partner, Steve Mullings last year was caught for a second time doping and was given a lifetime ban. Within approximately 2 weeks of that positive test, Gay shut his season down and had surgery after running a 9.79 in Clermont FL in only his second meet of the season.
tsprint94 wrote:Also lets not forget the fact that Tyson Gay's training partner, Steve Mullings last year was caught for a second time doping and was given a lifetime ban. Within approximately 2 weeks of that positive test, Gay shut his season down and had surgery after running a 9.79 in Clermont FL in only his second meet of the season.
Also lets not forget the forum rules and guidelines:
gh wrote:4. The definition of "objectionable post" rests solely with T&FN. Be advised up front that sexist/racist material is 100% out of bounds. As are accusations/suggestions that athlete/coach X is or ever was involved with illegal drugs in any way. If any of the governing bodies have taken action against someone in this regard, then the gloves can come off. But if there's no official positive on the books, everybody is treated as 100% innocent.
Grasshopper, I apologize for the post then, the themes of the previous posts were leaning on Gatlin with the guilt by association with Trevor and Mitchell, just thought I would point on who others were associating or training with. The moderator can delete my posts if they deem necessary if people are offended by the subject within them.
I didn't realise that drug cheat Gatlin was coached by drug chart Mitchel who is married to drug cheat Cherry what a rum bunch
Seriously if you were innocent of cheating would you seriously allowed Trevor Graham to coach you and when you come back you join up with another coach who is notorious for drug use !!
mump boy wrote:I didn't realise that drug cheat Gatlin was coached by drug chart Mitchel who is married to drug cheat Cherry what a rum bunch
Seriously if you were innocent of cheating would you seriously allowed Trevor Graham to coach you and when you come back you join up with another coach who is notorious for drug use !!
mump boy wrote:I didn't realise that drug cheat Gatlin was coached by drug chart Mitchel who is married to drug cheat Cherry what a rum bunch
Seriously if you were innocent of cheating would you seriously allowed Trevor Graham to coach you and when you come back you join up with another coach who is notorious for drug use !!
mump boy wrote:I didn't realise that drug cheat Gatlin was coached by drug chart Mitchel who is married to drug cheat Cherry what a rum bunch
Seriously if you were innocent of cheating would you seriously allowed Trevor Graham to coach you and when you come back you join up with another coach who is notorious for drug use !!
Faulty test result which was rightfully overturned.
Faulty test because the lab didn't take into account the general concentration (specific gravity) of her urine after they detected the nandrolone. She still had the anabolic steroid in her system, and none of us know exactly why that was. It may have been innocent, but there's also the possibility that it wasn't.
mump boy wrote:I didn't realise that drug cheat Gatlin was coached by drug chart Mitchel who is married to drug cheat Cherry what a rum bunch
Seriously if you were innocent of cheating would you seriously allowed Trevor Graham to coach you and when you come back you join up with another coach who is notorious for drug use !!
Faulty test result which was rightfully overturned.
Faulty test because the lab didn't take into account the general concentration (specific gravity) of her urine after they detected the nandrolone. She still had the anabolic steroid in her system, and none of us know exactly why that was. It may have been innocent, but there's also the possibility that it wasn't.
She was cleared so let it be. The history books will not have any records of a positive drug test that stood.
tsprint94 wrote:Also lets not forget the fact that Tyson Gay's training partner, Steve Mullings last year was caught for a second time doping and was given a lifetime ban. Within approximately 2 weeks of that positive test, Gay shut his season down and had surgery after running a 9.79 in Clermont FL in only his second meet of the season.
Also lets not forget the forum rules and guidelines:
gh wrote:4. The definition of "objectionable post" rests solely with T&FN. Be advised up front that sexist/racist material is 100% out of bounds. As are accusations/suggestions that athlete/coach X is or ever was involved with illegal drugs in any way. If any of the governing bodies have taken action against someone in this regard, then the gloves can come off. But if there's no official positive on the books, everybody is treated as 100% innocent.
mump boy wrote:I didn't realise that drug cheat Gatlin was coached by drug chart Mitchel who is married to drug cheat Cherry what a rum bunch
Seriously if you were innocent of cheating would you seriously allowed Trevor Graham to coach you and when you come back you join up with another coach who is notorious for drug use !!
but what it has to do with JG and his like minded associates i don't know.
If The Queen decided to join their group i would say the same thing. If you have been accused or convicted of PED use, yet still maintain your innocence, you are DUMB or a complete liar to continue being coached by known cheats
mump boy wrote:If you have been accused or convicted of PED use, yet still maintain your innocence, you are DUMB or a complete liar to continue being coached by known cheats
mump boy wrote:If you have been accused or convicted of PED use, yet still maintain your innocence, you are DUMB or a complete liar to continue being coached by known cheats
what a rum bunch