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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jjk4ever » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:30 am

DJG wrote:And USATF should give eye-exams to all the members of the relay pool. :D


This is funny but you might be on to something! Just cause your body is in world class shape doesnt necessarily mean your eyesight is 20/20. Lots of examples in sports of people reaching the professional ranks who benefited by Laskik or contacts etc.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby DJG » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:15 am

jjk4ever wrote:
DJG wrote:And USATF should give eye-exams to all the members of the relay pool. :D


This is funny but you might be on to something! Just cause your body is in world class shape doesnt necessarily mean your eyesight is 20/20. Lots of examples in sports of people reaching the professional ranks who benefited by Laskik or contacts etc.


And the athlete is not likely to say "hey coach, I can't see that mark like I used to."

Everything about the US 4x1 relays is funny, in one way or another. You just have to look at
it the right way.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby Megas15 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:01 pm

Who ...logically gets pregnant in an Olympic year...after a great breakthru/comeback year?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby notorious » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:28 pm

Megas15 wrote:Who ...logically gets pregnant in an Olympic year...after a great breakthru/comeback year?


In her interview, she said she was "surprised" when she found out she was pregnant so obviously, it wasn't "planned".

We are still happy for her however and us trackfans wish her the best.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:03 am

notorious wrote:
Megas15 wrote:Who ...logically gets pregnant in an Olympic year...after a great breakthru/comeback year?


In her interview, she said she was "surprised" when she found out she was pregnant so obviously, it wasn't "planned".

We are still happy for her however and us trackfans wish her the best.

Who's pregnant?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jjk4ever » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:19 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
notorious wrote:
Megas15 wrote:Who ...logically gets pregnant in an Olympic year...after a great breakthru/comeback year?


In her interview, she said she was "surprised" when she found out she was pregnant so obviously, it wasn't "planned".

We are still happy for her however and us trackfans wish her the best.

Who's pregnant?



Marshavet Hooker (Myers??--thought I heard she got a divorce? :? :? :?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby beebee » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:59 am

depth boys and girls...depth. Mrs. Meyers out for the season, in steps Ms. Madison. Saturday's Penn Relays was proof...it was cold and nasty, two of the lady's hand offs were horrible and yet they destroyed the Jamaicans and ran the world's fastest time 42.19.

The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby t_monk » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:02 am

beebee wrote:depth boys and girls...depth. Mrs. Meyers out for the season, in steps Ms. Madison. Saturday's Penn Relays was proof...it was cold and nasty, two of the lady's hand offs were horrible and yet they destroyed the Jamaicans and ran the world's fastest time 42.19.

The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.


That's a lie....
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby ATK » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:08 am

beebee wrote:depth boys and girls...depth. Mrs. Meyers out for the season, in steps Ms. Madison. Saturday's Penn Relays was proof...it was cold and nasty, two of the lady's hand offs were horrible and yet they destroyed the Jamaicans and ran the world's fastest time 42.19.

The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.


Only 1 hand off was messy. It was chilly and sightly windy not nasty.
But yes there is tons of depth, and they are capable of getting close to the WR.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby t_monk » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:23 am

ATK wrote:
beebee wrote:depth boys and girls...depth. Mrs. Meyers out for the season, in steps Ms. Madison. Saturday's Penn Relays was proof...it was cold and nasty, two of the lady's hand offs were horrible and yet they destroyed the Jamaicans and ran the world's fastest time 42.19.

The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.


Only 1 hand off was messy. It was chilly and sightly windy not nasty.
But yes there is tons of depth, and they are capable of getting close to the WR.


Now this I can agree with. And I can further postulate that that one 'bad' handoff would be seem dream like in perfection for the Jamaicans on Saturday.

I don't think that third leg is particularly plugged up btw... The first, second and anchor legs should be though.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby guru » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:26 am

beebee wrote: Mrs. Meyers out for the season


Said already, but not Mrs Myers, and hasnt been for almost a year

The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.



With Hooker, and clean through the handoffs, I'd have bet on it, especially with Madison now leading off. But of course Bianca Knight is no Marshevet Hooker.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby guru » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:29 am

t_monk wrote:I don't think that third leg is particularly plugged up btw...



Would love to see Richards-Ross put up a legal 10.8, and take some scalps in the process. Then the discussion gets real.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby preston » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:30 am

beebee wrote:The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.

They may just break the record this year but there is absolutely nothing that was being exhibited at Penn that might indicate that. The USA has had "faster" teams than you saw on Saturday who weren't able to break that WR. In fact, that WR, is one of the most resilient for a reason. It's hard!

2008 the USA ran 42.57 in Philly and 42.40 and 42.49 in preparation for Beijing. 2009 the USA ran 42.40 in Philly and ran 41.58 in Berlin - .21 off of the WR. 2011 USA ran 42.28 and ran 41.56 in Daegu. And here because the USA runs 42.19 at Penn we're supposed to believe the WR will fall? How will this team be better than previous teams USA teams over the last 4 years? Better than the teams of the 80's and '90s?

Relays are about teamwork! And, the USA has been using basically the same women over the last 4 years on the relay. Add in the fact that this is an Olympic year and the USA women HAVE to be more prepared to make their national teams than the Jamaican women do. But, before I begin jumping up and down about a 42.19 I think of the 42.29 in 2009 by the Bahamas where the athletes and there SB's far underclassed the result that "better" teams from USA and Jamaica had failed to achieve in other years (33-year old 10.97, a 37-year old 10.99, a 19-year old 11.38 and a 400m runner who had a PB of 11.58).

42.19 is a great time, but it's not much better than the 42.40 in 2009 or the 42.28 last year. It tells us NOTHING about how much better these athletes will be in London, or if they will be better at all. Why? Because each year the USA runs some of the fastest times of the year in Philly.

They might break the record this year but I wouldn't be at all surprised if neither the USA or Jamaica does.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 am

preston wrote:But, before I begin jumping up and down about a 42.19 I think of the 42.29 in 2009 by the Bahamas where the athletes and there SB's far underclassed the result that "better" teams from USA and Jamaica had failed to achieve in other years (33-year old 10.97, a 37-year old 10.99, a 19-year old 11.38 and a 400m runner who had a PB of 11.58).

Even more impressive in 2009 was the Texas A&M women who ran 42.36 with 11.12-11.13-11.50-11.60 leg speed.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby Speedster » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:39 am

guru wrote:Would love to see Richards-Ross put up a legal 10.8, and take some scalps in the process. Then the discussion gets real.


Same here but would that put her third as Felix and Jeter probably have their legs sewn up at this stage.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby Gabriella » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:52 am

jazzcyclist wrote:Even more impressive in 2009 was the Texas A&M women who ran 42.36 with 11.12-11.13-11.50-11.60 leg speed.


Similar to the German team in 2001, their season bests were average but they won World gold in 42.32 due to some great exchanges, especially from Paschke to Gabi Rockmeier.

Melanie Paschke 11.23
Gabi Rockmeier 11.17
Birgit Rockmeier 11.44
Marion Wagner 11.33
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:07 pm

Speedster wrote:
guru wrote:Would love to see Richards-Ross put up a legal 10.8, and take some scalps in the process. Then the discussion gets real.


Same here but would that put her third as Felix and Jeter probably have their legs sewn up at this stage.


Third leg is probably where she belongs, because she is a curve runner (400/200).
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby TrackDaddy » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:35 pm

Speedster wrote:
guru wrote:Would love to see Richards-Ross put up a legal 10.8, and take some scalps in the process. Then the discussion gets real.


Same here but would that put her third as Felix and Jeter probably have their legs sewn up at this stage.


Obviously I would love to see it too and have no doubt she can run it.

But politics may hamper her from getting due consideration no matter how fast she runs. :?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby ATK » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:43 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:
Speedster wrote:
guru wrote:Would love to see Richards-Ross put up a legal 10.8, and take some scalps in the process. Then the discussion gets real.


Same here but would that put her third as Felix and Jeter probably have their legs sewn up at this stage.


Obviously I would love to see it too and have no doubt she can run it.

But politics may hamper her from getting due consideration no matter how fast she runs. :?

I doubt politics would keep her out, opportunity to prove her ability in time might.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:07 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:
Speedster wrote:
guru wrote:Would love to see Richards-Ross put up a legal 10.8, and take some scalps in the process. Then the discussion gets real.


Same here but would that put her third as Felix and Jeter probably have their legs sewn up at this stage.


Obviously I would love to see it too and have no doubt she can run it.

But politics may hamper her from getting due consideration no matter how fast she runs. :?

I think if she made the team in the 200, she would likely given serious 4x100 consideration. She still wouldn't have to run the 200 in London, but at least it would put the ball in the Jon Drummond's court.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby guru » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:12 pm

As I've noted elsewhere, only two US women(aside from Jeter) have broken 10.90, all-conditions, since 2010. One of them is pregnant, the other is SRR.

That being said, I have no idea if Richards-Ross even wants to be considered for the 4x1 in London. I suspect, though, she would happily accept the assignment if asked.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby TrackDaddy » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:52 pm

I can't speak to her wishes for London. I also don't believe her 100 at TR was any type of audition for a 4x1 spot. However, it would be irresponsible to ignore the results.

I do know she's been interested in the past at a time when the field seemed to be much more crowded. Things also appeared more political within the US camp at that time (nike/adidas, relays, coaching, etc,). I'm sure Nike would love to see it.

Sanya and Felix on both relays helping the US to victory in both! The world don't want to see it because I've seen Sanya roll into a full sprint from a running start on a 4x1 :shock:

Throw her 100m out the window and feel the breeze.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby DJG » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:13 pm

The US women's 4x1 for London is not yet ready to be set in stone.
Many other potential candidates are still out there - Anderson, Lee, L. Williams and a handful
of collegiate sprinters.

I don't see SRR on the 4x1. Her remarks after Penn about winning 2 Gold medals in London
seem to indicate that her goal is the open 400 and the 4x4.

I love Felix, but if her decision is to double in the 400/200, then I would like to see someone else on the second leg, someone committed to running both the prelim and the final.
(and the two practice meets leading up to London).
Until the OlyTrials are concluded and the relay pools are named, no one is locked in the 4x1.

One thing is a lock and that is the US will use two substitutes in the prelims and will most likely have three new exchanges in the final. And one of those X-Ch will probably be for the first time in a competition.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:43 pm

DJG wrote:One thing is a lock and that is the US will use two substitutes in the prelims and will most likely have three new exchanges in the final. And one of those X-Ch will probably be for the first time in a competition.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. I wish USATF would adopt the USA Basketball blueprint which is to pick a coach whose credentials are beyond reproach and give him total autonomy. I believe the reason why Drummond got the job is because none of the folks on the top of the list would accept the job with so many strings attached.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby beebee » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:13 pm

preston wrote:
beebee wrote:The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.

They may just break the record this year but there is absolutely nothing that was being exhibited at Penn that might indicate that. The USA has had "faster" teams than you saw on Saturday who weren't able to break that WR. In fact, that WR, is one of the most resilient for a reason. It's hard!

2008 the USA ran 42.57 in Philly and 42.40 and 42.49 in preparation for Beijing. 2009 the USA ran 42.40 in Philly and ran 41.58 in Berlin - .21 off of the WR. 2011 USA ran 42.28 and ran 41.56 in Daegu. And here because the USA runs 42.19 at Penn we're supposed to believe the WR will fall? How will this team be better than previous teams USA teams over the last 4 years? Better than the teams of the 80's and '90s?

Relays are about teamwork! And, the USA has been using basically the same women over the last 4 years on the relay. Add in the fact that this is an Olympic year and the USA women HAVE to be more prepared to make their national teams than the Jamaican women do. But, before I begin jumping up and down about a 42.19 I think of the 42.29 in 2009 by the Bahamas where the athletes and there SB's far underclassed the result that "better" teams from USA and Jamaica had failed to achieve in other years (33-year old 10.97, a 37-year old 10.99, a 19-year old 11.38 and a 400m runner who had a PB of 11.58).

42.19 is a great time, but it's not much better than the 42.40 in 2009 or the 42.28 last year. It tells us NOTHING about how much better these athletes will be in London, or if they will be better at all. Why? Because each year the USA runs some of the fastest times of the year in Philly.

They might break the record this year but I wouldn't be at all surprised if neither the USA or Jamaica does.

"Nothing to indicate"? How about the margin of victory this early in the season against the world's second best team on a cold day with a relative nubie leading off? Btw mr. condescension, the reason that woman's 4x100 wr is so "hard" is because the then East German girls(?) were doped like race horses. You believe whatever you wish.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby t_monk » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:25 pm

beebee wrote:
preston wrote:
beebee wrote:The U.S. Women's 4x100 will break the world record this year.

They may just break the record this year but there is absolutely nothing that was being exhibited at Penn that might indicate that. The USA has had "faster" teams than you saw on Saturday who weren't able to break that WR. In fact, that WR, is one of the most resilient for a reason. It's hard!

2008 the USA ran 42.57 in Philly and 42.40 and 42.49 in preparation for Beijing. 2009 the USA ran 42.40 in Philly and ran 41.58 in Berlin - .21 off of the WR. 2011 USA ran 42.28 and ran 41.56 in Daegu. And here because the USA runs 42.19 at Penn we're supposed to believe the WR will fall? How will this team be better than previous teams USA teams over the last 4 years? Better than the teams of the 80's and '90s?

Relays are about teamwork! And, the USA has been using basically the same women over the last 4 years on the relay. Add in the fact that this is an Olympic year and the USA women HAVE to be more prepared to make their national teams than the Jamaican women do. But, before I begin jumping up and down about a 42.19 I think of the 42.29 in 2009 by the Bahamas where the athletes and there SB's far underclassed the result that "better" teams from USA and Jamaica had failed to achieve in other years (33-year old 10.97, a 37-year old 10.99, a 19-year old 11.38 and a 400m runner who had a PB of 11.58).

42.19 is a great time, but it's not much better than the 42.40 in 2009 or the 42.28 last year. It tells us NOTHING about how much better these athletes will be in London, or if they will be better at all. Why? Because each year the USA runs some of the fastest times of the year in Philly.

They might break the record this year but I wouldn't be at all surprised if neither the USA or Jamaica does.

"Nothing to indicate"? How about the margin of victory this early in the season against the world's second best team on a cold day with a relative nubie leading off? Btw mr. condescension, the reason that woman's 4x100 wr is so "hard" is because the then East German girls(?) were doped like race horses. You believe whatever you wish.

So by your comment it would then mean that if the US team breaks the record it's because they are doped up like race horses too right?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby Gabriella » Tue May 01, 2012 12:47 am

beebee wrote: "Nothing to indicate"? How about the margin of victory this early in the season against the world's second best team on a cold day with a relative nubie leading off? Btw mr. condescension, the reason that woman's 4x100 wr is so "hard" is because the then East German girls(?) were doped like race horses. You believe whatever you wish.


beebee, you need to be careful what you write; other posters have been banned for far less.

The WR is nothing to do with being doped; it has all to do with practice. Only Gohr and Gladish-Moller were sub 11 women that season; Gohr 10.86 with a +2.0 and 10.92 with a +1.2 and Gladisch-Moller 10.99. Sabine Gunther had set her PB that year but it was just 11.19.

We've been over this many times before, but the GDR women practised exchanges everyday. In a 1997 interview Auerswald said of her and Gohr "baton exchanges were part of our every day training; we could do them in our sleep". It is this, and not steroids, that made the WR. Many, many teams have had 4 faster women in a relay but none have put in the practice like the GDR girls did.

They also had the 'luxury' of selecting who they wanted, so with a far smaller pool of women than the US, they selected a small core and they were sent on relay training camps throughout the year.
But they also followed a strict technical model that the teams today just do not do:
-the 2nd leg was reserved for their 200m runners, or those stronger over 120m - Koch, Drechsler, Gunther (and Krabbe when the wall came down)
- They all started from a sprint start, not standing start
- They took on average 12-13 steps before they exchanged the baton. Most teams today do around 8 steps
- They did the upward exchange rather than downward/placing in the palm exchange

Until the US and Jamaican teams do something similar they will find it very difficult to break the WR.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby ATK » Tue May 01, 2012 5:41 am

DJG wrote:Until the OlyTrials are concluded and the relay pools are named, no one is locked in the 4x1.


I would bet that if Jeter somehow didn't make the US team, she would still be anchor on the relay.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby DJG » Tue May 01, 2012 6:13 am

ATK wrote:
DJG wrote:Until the OlyTrials are concluded and the relay pools are named, no one is locked in the 4x1.


I would bet that if Jeter somehow didn't make the US team, she would still be anchor on the relay.


If Jeter is not in the top four in the 100 or 200 (And this goes for Tyson Gay as well), she will not be anchoring the 4x1. I realize that USATF has trouble following their own protocols and procedures, especially when the 4x1 is involved, but this would be most unlikely.

I will take that bet, if Jeter fails to make the team.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby preston » Tue May 01, 2012 6:22 am

beebee wrote:"Nothing to indicate"? How about the margin of victory this early in the season against the world's second best team on a cold day with a relative nubie leading off? Btw mr. condescension, the reason that woman's 4x100 wr is so "hard" is because the then East German girls(?) were doped like race horses. You believe whatever you wish.

Condescension isn't necessary, because you obviously see things from a child's point of view, or a hard-headed newbie with little historical context for track and field, Penn Relays or USA v. Jamaica rivalry. I mean who actually talks about "margin of victory" in an April race? :lol: And, who can cite "drugs" when its impossible to know who HAS and who HASN'T taken drugs? Because certainly every team since the GDR was absolute clean of PED's or any other illicit substances, no? :lol: Or maybe you're just not that informed. Maybe you weren't paying attention to previous years when Jamaican's did just enough not to get hurt - which probably would have been their intention on a cold Saturday in April. Or, maybe you weren't paying attention earlier this year when Jamaicans actually pulled out of a meet in Kingston, because...wait for it...it was too cool (google: Gibson Relays, Feb '12).

Penn Relays means nothing to professional Jamaicans; it's "home turf" for the USA and they defend it with a sense of purpose. Nothing wrong with either, imo, and it tells us absolutely NOTHING about what will happen in August. This would be informative if you wanted to learn, but...you'll believe whatever you wish. :wink:
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby DJG » Tue May 01, 2012 6:33 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
DJG wrote:One thing is a lock and that is the US will use two substitutes in the prelims and will most likely have three new exchanges in the final. And one of those X-Ch will probably be for the first time in a competition.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. I wish USATF would adopt the USA Basketball blueprint which is to pick a coach whose credentials are beyond reproach and give him total autonomy. I believe the reason why Drummond got the job is because none of the folks on the top of the list would accept the job with so many strings attached.


Or come to the realization that picking a relay team/pool is different from vieing for a spot in the 100 or 200. Many good sprinters do not make good relay legs.
Why aren't the women 100 Hurdlers given any chance to show what they could do? Why the push to always have the big names (Jeter, Felix, Richards-Ross, the current ones) who are focused on their individdual events, when it is obvious that very good exchanges will more than make up for a slight loss of max. speed?

The final make-up of both US 4x1's is still very much up in the air.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby TrackDaddy » Tue May 01, 2012 7:00 am

preston wrote:Penn Relays means nothing to professional Jamaicans;


But only one week later the Jamaica Invitational sure does. It seems to mean more every year; not just to Jamaicans but other top athletes around the world. Now, even Bolt is showing up before the home crowd after skipping it in the past.

Maybe JA should include the relays in the future. Fans love relays and coaches love opportunities to field one. If the US could get its athletes at the same meet (other than TxRelays or Penn which still competes with Drake) maybe they would have more insight going into camp. An international event like the Ja Invite has become could invite the Brits and Russia too so we could have another opportunity to tweak the relays.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby ATK » Tue May 01, 2012 7:08 am

DJG wrote:
ATK wrote:
DJG wrote:Until the OlyTrials are concluded and the relay pools are named, no one is locked in the 4x1.


I would bet that if Jeter somehow didn't make the US team, she would still be anchor on the relay.


If Jeter is not in the top four in the 100 or 200 (And this goes for Tyson Gay as well), she will not be anchoring the 4x1. I realize that USATF has trouble following their own protocols and procedures, especially when the 4x1 is involved, but this would be most unlikely.

I will take that bet, if Jeter fails to make the team.

Last year Travis Padget didn't run the 100m final at nationals ran the 4x100 in Daegu.
Maurice Mitchell the 4th placer in the 200m at USA's ran the 4x100 instead of Dodson the 3rd placer who was on the team.

Bianca Knight was 4th in the 200 at USA's and was on the relay over the 3rd placer.
Alex Anderson was 5th at USA's in the 100 and beat out the 4th and 3rd placers for a sport on the relay.

I see it as the only way that Jeter doesn't run the relay is if she is injured.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby TrackDaddy » Tue May 01, 2012 7:12 am

DJG wrote: Why the push to always have the big names (Jeter, Felix, Richards-Ross, the current ones) who are focused on their individdual events, when it is obvious that very good exchanges will more than make up for a slight loss of max. speed?


Because BIG NAMES sell shoes and if you have one (a BIG NAME) its a pretty reliable indication that you can run really fast.

And if good exchanges over max speed is your argument, why are you pushing for hurdlers who often have less or no experience on relays and therefore could create issues wth both (exchanges and max speed)? :?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby DJG » Tue May 01, 2012 7:33 am

ATK wrote:
DJG wrote:
ATK wrote:
DJG wrote:Until the OlyTrials are concluded and the relay pools are named, no one is locked in the 4x1.


I would bet that if Jeter somehow didn't make the US team, she would still be anchor on the relay.


If Jeter is not in the top four in the 100 or 200 (And this goes for Tyson Gay as well), she will not be anchoring the 4x1. I realize that USATF has trouble following their own protocols and procedures, especially when the 4x1 is involved, but this would be most unlikely.

I will take that bet, if Jeter fails to make the team.

Last year Travis Padget didn't run the 100m final at nationals ran the 4x100 in Daegu.
Maurice Mitchell the 4th placer in the 200m at USA's ran the 4x100 instead of Dodson the 3rd placer who was on the team.

Bianca Knight was 4th in the 200 at USA's and was on the relay over the 3rd placer.
Alex Anderson was 5th at USA's in the 100 and beat out the 4th and 3rd placers for a sport on the relay.

I see it as the only way that Jeter doesn't run the relay is if she is injured.


Like I said, USATF has trouble following their own procedures. The order of the US OLyTrials
100/200 finish is not the deciding factor, being in the top four is supposed to be.
Dodson got himself in trouble, I recall. Anderson and Padgett were given spots to make up for
past relay mishaps.
The other way Jeter doesn't run is she sits out the prelim and the US gets DQ'd.
Not that that ever happens.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby DJG » Tue May 01, 2012 7:42 am

TrackDaddy wrote:
DJG wrote: Why the push to always have the big names (Jeter, Felix, Richards-Ross, the current ones) who are focused on their individdual events, when it is obvious that very good exchanges will more than make up for a slight loss of max. speed?


Because BIG NAMES sell shoes and if you have one (a BIG NAME) its a pretty reliable indication that you can run really fast.

And if good exchanges over max speed is your argument, why are you pushing for hurdlers who often have less or no experience on relays and therefore could create issues wth both (exchanges and max speed)? :?


Well because Terrence Trammell, to name one, is a very good, reliable and experienced relay runner. I just wonder what Lolo and Kelli White (Lolo is very marketable) could do, given the chance. Hurdlers are much less likely to get nervous and have "happpy feet", going over hurdles does help to focus the concentration. Something the Big Names could use.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby ATK » Tue May 01, 2012 7:48 am

DJG wrote:Like I said, USATF has trouble following their own procedures. The order of the US OLyTrials
100/200 finish is not the deciding factor, being in the top four is supposed to be.
Dodson got himself in trouble, I recall. Anderson and Padgett were given spots to make up for
past relay mishaps.
The other way Jeter doesn't run is she sits out the prelim and the US gets DQ'd.
Not that that ever happens.

Dodson ran in Daegu....so his trouble was irrelevant by then.
None of the finishers ahead of Anderson and Padgett were involved in any relay mishaps. Anderson actually was herself back in 2009....

There is no way that the selection is "supposed" to be. If that's what they want, whether we like it or not, that what we will see. You fail to give a valid argument on why the US would leave the 2nd fastest women in history off the relay if she was healthy.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby TrackDaddy » Tue May 01, 2012 7:51 am

DJG, I think you meant Kellie Wells. And TT may be an exception as he's a very good open sprinter indoors.

I believe the bigger issue is the relay squad getting ample practice or opportunity to work on exchanges.
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue May 01, 2012 7:57 am

preston wrote:Penn Relays means nothing to professional Jamaicans; it's "home turf" for the USA and they defend it with a sense of purpose.

Penn Relays means nothing to pro Jamaicans? Really? I've been going to the Penn Relays for the last ten years and Jamaica has practically hijacked that meet from the U.S., culminating with all the pomp and circumstance imaginable at this past weekend's meet. On Saturday, when the Penn President announced that the Jamaican flag will fly over Franklin Field at all future Penn Relays, the mostly Jamaican crowd went crazy. If the Penn Relays is so unimportant to pro Jamaicans, why is it so important to Jamaican fans? Why does Philadelphia become North Kingston on the weekend on the Penn Relays?
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Re: About That London US Women's 4x100

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue May 01, 2012 8:00 am

DJG wrote: Why the push to always have the big names (Jeter, Felix, Richards-Ross, the current ones) who are focused on their individdual events, when it is obvious that very good exchanges will more than make up for a slight loss of max. speed?

Because too many people worship the false God of 100 PR's.
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