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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:34 am

LopenUupunut wrote:
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batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.
Also - strange as it may be for a heptathlete - she has yet to prove she can the handle the rounds in sprinting. More than once she's run great times in heats and/or semis only to disappoint in the final; her two best 200m times (22.69 and 22.70) are from the WC heat in '11 and the EC semi in '12 respectively, and while she did run her best time in the final at the Euro Indoors this year she looked better in the heats.

Wouldn't it make sense that she would "disappoint" if she only does the event part-time? Sprinting is a skill!!! The reason why she can't replicate her performance (for rounds) is probably because she hasn't had sufficient reps. This isn't abnormal at all, in fact, its one of the truisms of our sport. Also, being the 3rd fastest European currently doesn't mean anything BECAUSE too many Europeans believe that she can never get to 10.85s. Start training her like her 10.85 counterparts and I think she gets there. If you count the number of 60m, 100m, 200m, 4x1 and 4x4s by English Gardner and Octavious Freeman and compared them to Schippers you would instantly see how little sprinting Schippers has actually done. And, if we discount the Des Moines...Schippers is as advanced in ability as those two sprinters who are the best in America. And, she's currently ahead of ALL Caribbean women born in '92 or later except Carrie Russell.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-likely join in 100m,LJ U2

Postby t_monk » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:48 pm

I agree that this girl is just screaming to be a pure sprinter. I've known about her sprinting prowess since I saw her clocking some rather swift 200m times. For someone not to be focusing on the event, splitting their time with throwing, distance running, jumps, hurdling and so on, an 11.10 and an 11.09 is damn good. She should give the sprints her focus for a season maybe, fully, get a good coach and all and see what she can do with this.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.20s/1.4 first round of

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:55 am

dafne ran 11.20s/1.4 result in EU23,while Pinto and willams Jodie also had good result in first round considering their tailwind.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.20s/1.4 first round of

Postby batonless relay » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:16 am

 Semifinal 1 Wind:-1.5
Result Athlete Nation Reaction time Result
11.30 Q SCHIPPERS, Dafne  NED 0.163 11.30 Q
11.69 Q KAMBUNDJI, Mujinga  SUI 0.101 11.69 Q
11.77 Q PROCHÁZKOVÁ, Barbora  CZE 0.175 11.77 Q
11.79   JOHNCOCK, Rachel  GBR 0.165 11.79  
11.94   OPON, Martyna  POL 0.221 11.94  
11.98   HAASE, Rebekka  GER 0.159 11.98  
11.98   MCMANUS, Catherine  IRL 0.157 11.98  
12.08   GAMBA, Laura  ITA 0.182 12.08  
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby MDelano » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:09 pm

batonless relay wrote:If you count the number of 60m, 100m, 200m, 4x1 and 4x4s by English Gardner and Octavious Freeman and compared them to Schippers you would instantly see how little sprinting Schippers has actually done.


It's probably even less than you think. In her entire career the only times she ran multiple sprints on the same day have been when she ran the 100 at the dutch national junior or senior championships, and on those occasions she obviously could cruise through the preliminary rounds. I don't believe she ever ran 100&200, and definitely not 100+200+4x1 or 4x4 relay which is a typical demand placed on a college athlete on a regular basis.
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:04 pm

norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.


This is less a theory and more a simply statement of truth. European's struggle to get their sprinters sub-11/sub9.9 to compete with the North Americans. And by struggle I mean we utterly fail. but we do utterly dominate the Heptathlon and have good stakes in the Decathlon.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby DentyCracker » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:42 pm

That girl is a sprinter and the sooner she realises it the better. From that reraly she is just flat out fast and looks the part
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby Gabriella » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:49 pm

MDelano wrote: In her entire career the only times she ran multiple sprints on the same day have been when she ran the 100 at the dutch national junior or senior championships, and on those occasions she obviously could cruise through the preliminary rounds.


Quoted just a snippet here, but this is obviously key. To a greater extent this is the problem for a lot of UK and German sprinters; they do not compete often enough against quality opposition where they have to run hard through rounds.

Look at Verena Sailer; the German championships now comprises of just two rounds (it used to be 3) and she is way ahead of her opposition nationally (well, Pinto is good but not consistent). She won both heat and final by huge margins. Put her against a fast American and would she have run the same? It's also conditions. Restrict your competition to Northern Europe and the Lowlands and you are not getting the weather factor Souther Europe, USA or the Caribbean get. Sailer's 11.09 wind reading was -0.5. That was a sub 11 sec run with just a 1.0, let along 2.0. But that magical barrier alludes her. Put that run in the US or Jamaican championships and she would be low 10.9s.

I want to see Schippers do the sprints one season too. And the funny thing is she doesnt even take full advantage of her stride, which is quite choppy and short for a woman of 5'10. (new young heptathlete Biesenbach has a much better stride and extension). She could do so much more, but how fast is still debatable. I see a high 10.9 and 22.3 at best, which are superb. But of course not necessarily winning times.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:28 am

I did not know to this girl but i saw her these days in EU23, and she is amazing runner.
She has only 21 years and is super fast.
She can to get perfectly sub11 with this body that is for combined events.
If she lose some lbs and trains only sprint she could to be in few years a 10.8 sprinter and to be near medals or some medal in WC or OG.

She is average in heptaplon but her talent in sprint is very high :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:43 am

ZELLGADISS wrote:I did not know to this girl but i saw her these days in EU23, and she is amazing runner.
She has only 21 years and is super fast.
She can to get perfectly sub11 with this body that is for combined events.
If she lose some lbs and trains only sprint she could to be in few years a 10.8 sprinter and to be near medals or some medal in WC or OG.

She is average in heptaplon but her talent in sprint is very high :D

:D ,I also think so although I would like she can do both initially,but she likes heptathlon very much despite she always has knee problems in HJ and needs some time to decide her future like going under 11s sooner.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:48 am

Yes, nianchengyu.

So i hope that when she gets a great time in 100m, she decides to run only sprint.
She could to be amazing in sprint, im sure :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:10 am

eldanielfire wrote:
norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.


This is less a theory and more a simply statement of truth. European's struggle to get their sprinters sub-11/sub9.9 to compete with the North Americans. And by struggle I mean we utterly fail. but we do utterly dominate the Heptathlon and have good stakes in the Decathlon.

"Truth" is nothing more than incomplete discovery! (the world is flat, well it used to be, well it it still is because we're all part of the matrix...) It doesn't matter what past Europeans struggled to do, you coach the individual athlete's talents not the event history or the ethnicity. And, the reason why "Europeans" utterly fail is because they don't actually believe they can compete; it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now, I'm not saying that every European is as talented as Schippers or that Schippers is more talented than some of the women that she is currently faster than, what I am saying is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to know what her prospects are if they are not fully tested.

Gabriella makes a point that I mentioned earlier about climate in the Lemaitre thread but when was the last time Spain or Greece had a decent sprinter? Climate is certainly more "sprint favorable" than Sweden or Denmark (which currently has the fastest youth in the world with a time of 10.37; he's not competing at World Youth, though) but it really comes down to attitudes. Do you believe that you have the talent and that it can be nurtured. Currently Ireland's favorable climate [sarcasm] has produced one of the fastest juniors in the world. He's coached by his mother. She believed.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:30 am

Schippers dominated Euro-U23! Into the wind (-0.7)! And, she's a heptathlete? (a very good one at that, but it sure would be nice to see her concentrate on the sprints for 2 seasons)

  Wind:-0.7
Result Athlete Nation
11.13 SCHIPPERS, Dafne  NED
11.42 WILLIAMS, Jodie  GBR
11.50 LOFAMAKANDA PINTO, Tatjana  GER
11.55 KAMBUNDJI, Mujinga  SUI
11.68 JOHNCOCK, Rachel  GBR
11.75 PROCHÁZKOVÁ, Barbora  CZE
11.78 SIRAGUSA, Irene  ITA
11.86 BUSK, Daniella  SWE
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:46 am

She is the future of european sprint.
In heptaplon she is only average, in sprint is great, please Dafne m you should to decide to run only sprint :D
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:54 am

[quote="Gabriella

I want to see Schippers do the sprints one season too. And the funny thing is she doesn't even take full advantage of her stride, which is quite choppy and short for a woman of 5'10. (new young heptathlete Biesenbach has a much better stride and extension)[/quote]

Train with Okagbare?
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:49 am

26mi235, Dafne training only sprint and losing some lbs(in my opinion now she is a little heavy, because she makes shot put and other things) would be in few years 10.8 sprinter.
And it is high level, fighting by medals in OG and WC.

Really for me this girls has very very talent 8-)
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby weia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:30 am

And she also is very talented for the heptathlon...!
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:52 am

weia i dont think that she is very talented in heptathlon :|
In sprint yes, without doubt
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby weia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:14 am

Her pb's count up to nearly 6600, with some improvements that are to be expected she gets a heptathlon of 6750, which quite often will be enough to medal on a big championship. Compare this with what is needed to medal on the sprints on that kind of championships.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:22 am

not that this comparison is instructive (it only shows that they ran on the same track), but Adam Gemili ran 10.20 -0.3 a few minutes after Schippers ran 11.13 -0.7. The "expectation" is that Gemili may close in on sub-10 by the end of the year - even though he was .21 away today. Assuming we can make the same kind of "expectation" of Schippers, it shows that in flat wind or even +.7, or so that Schippers would be near to under 11.

weia wrote:Her pb's count up to nearly 6600, with some improvements that are to be expected she gets a heptathlon of 6750, which quite often will be enough to medal on a big championship. Compare this with what is needed to medal on the sprints on that kind of championships.

Dreaming of all PB's for a Hep is no different than speculating that she could run 10.9x. And, when you consider that Felix isn't running, VCB won't be running, Madison won't be running, Jeter hasn't shown medal fitness and that Schippers is AS GOOD as Gardner and Freeman that leaves only Baptiste, Ahoure, and Okagbarre as medal threats to SAFP. It means that Schippers COULD be a finalist if she can be as good or slightly better than she is right now.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:26 am

Im totally sure that Dafne training hard 1 or 2 years, healthy and losing a few lbs she would be 10.8.
Really she has big talent running.
Now she can get sub11 in a good race with good conditions.

Training events combined, she will have more injuries sure.

I see surely her future in sprint :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- won EU23 with 11.13s/-0.

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:28 pm

Yeah,dafne's 11.13s/-0.7 is the best race of her career,if turning wind to +2.0,what is the time?BTW,if she can focus on sprint,her injury will be control better for she has knee pronlem in HJ which restrict her join in more heptathlons and no pentathlon at all these years.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- won EU23 with 11.13s/-0.

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:31 pm

2.0 wind gets her marginally sub-11 (~10.98-10.99)
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- won EU23 with 11.13s/-0.

Postby Speedster » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:15 am

She looks like a hurdler jumper when she sprints, powerful high knee lift, quite rhythmic in her technique.

I've always felt she was an early developer, she's looked like a grown woman for some time, more so than the others she raced against, say Williams or Pinto who are still developing.

With this in mind I'm not sure she would get that much faster specialising, being leaner would probably be of most benefit, with her throwing muscle mass.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- leads LJQ with 6.49m in

Postby weia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:16 am

Qualification long jump, first attempt 6.49, 6.45 was asked, ready. She says it wasn't a really good jump.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- leads LJQ with 6.49m in

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:22 am

weia wrote:Qualification long jump, first attempt 6.49, 6.45 was asked, ready. She says it wasn't a really good jump.

However, it is a little surprise dafne is only Q in the qualify round,and dafne hope she can get a top-8 position in final.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- leads LJQ with 6.49m in

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:48 am

Jodie Williams won 200m with 22.92s/-0.5 after 11.42s/-0.7 yeaterday,IMAGING if dafne in ,can she run 22.40s around?Hoping she can improve her 200m NR in WC.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- leads LJQ with 6.49m in

Postby Daisy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:45 am

I don't think it's being mentioned, but may be she prefers the variety of disciplines in the heptathlon? May be her success this season will convince her to focus her training on the sprints?
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- won EU23 with 11.13s/-0.

Postby batonless relay » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:29 am

Speedster wrote:She looks like a hurdler jumper when she sprints, powerful high knee lift, quite rhythmic in her technique.

I've always felt she was an early developer, she's looked like a grown woman for some time, more so than the others she raced against, say Williams or Pinto who are still developing.

With this in mind I'm not sure she would get that much faster specialising, being leaner would probably be of most benefit, with her throwing muscle mass.

Even if she is an "early developer", it wouldn't account for her excellence in an event where she only puts part of her time. Also, at 21, most would say that she competes against other 'grown women'; it's not like she's running youth.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- leads LJQ with 6.49m in

Postby weia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:35 am

Daisy wrote:I don't think it's being mentioned, but may be she prefers the variety of disciplines in the heptathlon?

She explicitly says so. Only training sprints she will find boring.

May be her success this season will convince her to focus her training on the sprints?

My guess: not.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- won EU23 with 11.13s/-0.

Postby Speedster » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:07 pm

batonless relay wrote:
Speedster wrote:She looks like a hurdler jumper when she sprints, powerful high knee lift, quite rhythmic in her technique.

I've always felt she was an early developer, she's looked like a grown woman for some time, more so than the others she raced against, say Williams or Pinto who are still developing.

With this in mind I'm not sure she would get that much faster specialising, being leaner would probably be of most benefit, with her throwing muscle mass.

Even if she is an "early developer", it wouldn't account for her excellence in an event where she only puts part of her time. Also, at 21, most would say that she competes against other 'grown women'; it's not like she's running youth.


I said was an earlier developer, a dead point now she's competing against seniors.

Would she enjoy her athletics more if she was a sprinter? Probably not based on other's points so she should keep up at the hep if that makes her happy. Its hard work and risky in terms of injury but she's only accountable to herself.

She has been impressive this season in her sprint races but other than her throws training and the 'pure' technical events, her work her LJ, hurdles, 200m would all contribute to her sprint performances.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- leads LJQ with 6.49m in

Postby weia » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:16 am

First round long jump final Tampere: 6.58 (+1.7) personal best, going from position 7 tot 4 on the Dutch all time list.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- 6.59m/1.6 LJ PB 3rd in E

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:09 am

dafne jumped 6.59m in fifth round,and beyonded Makus 6.76m last jump but fouled it.I cannot see what margins did dafne foul?She has terrific speed but a bit mess up in the progress which may restrict her jump farther.Neverthess,it is a good competition for dafne,two PB in LJ and a bronze medal.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers- 6.59m/1.6 LJ PB 3rd in E

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:33 am

nianchengyu wrote:dafne jumped 6.59m in fifth round,and beyonded Makus 6.76m last jump but fouled it.I cannot see what margins did dafne foul?She has terrific speed but a bit mess up in the progress which may restrict her jump farther.Neverthess,it is a good competition for dafne,two PB in LJ and a bronze medal.



Certainly in the context of the Heptathlon her jumps are fantastic distances, could bode well for her future as a multi-eventer.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.31s/0.0 100H in NC hea

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:10 am

Heat:1 Wind : 0.0
1 252 SCHIPPERS Dafne 92 HLLS 13.31
2 532 BROERSEN Nadine 90 SPRN 13.55
3 91 PETERSEN Nancy van 92 AV34 13.85
4 539 MEIJ Femke van der 85 SPRN 13.95
5 573 SPILJARD Amanda 89 UNTS 14.48
6 35 ROSSUM Helen van 92 AKU 14.77
7 297 ROO Anneloes de 95 ISLA 14.97
8 282 HARLAND Sanne 90 ILIO 15.43
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.31s/0.0 100H in NC hea

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:34 am

Alfter running her 2nd best 100mH,dafne did not finish her final in NC,that is her second fall this year,and her 100mH run last Oly almost fell,too.Considering her speed,her hurdles techniques are a bit awful.
100 meter horden vrouwen finale Time :16:24
Heat:1 Wind : 1.3
1 214 HODDE Rosina 83 HGAT 13.02
2 333 WILLIAMS Suzanne 93 NEAV 13.37
3 532 BROERSEN Nadine 90 SPRN 13.52
4 91 PETERSEN Nancy van 92 AV34 13.67
5 388 KROONENBURG Nicole 89 PHNS 13.67
6 539 MEIJ Femke van der 85 SPRN 13.76
7 573 SPILJARD Amanda 89 UNTS 14.43
252 SCHIPPERS Dafne 92 HLLS DNF
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.31s/0.0 100H in NC hea

Postby Daisy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:01 am

nianchengyu wrote:Considering her speed,her hurdles techniques are a bit awful.

I don't remember her technique but I would have expected her below 13 based on her speed alone.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.31s/0.0 100H NC and fe

Postby weia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:06 am

In the final she fell at hurdle 7 or 8...
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.31s/0.0 100H NC and fe

Postby Daisy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:26 am

What is her PR for the 100H? I assume she was not full out when she ran 13.31 in the heat.

edit: Wikipedia has her at 13.27 (+0.3) from Tallinn 2011. It seems like a winter of hurdling technique could bring that down a lot. What is her technical flaw?
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.31s/0.0 100H NC and fe

Postby weia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:44 am

She is quite tall and very fast, so she has difficulties in fitting those three steps in between the hurdles. In my opinion she is going to high over the hurdles, leaving even less space for three steps, which would need a very high frequency. She ran in second position but just very short before the third athlete, at hurdle 7 something happened, but I cannot see what, in the high speed video I've made today. And then at hurdle 8 everything goes wrong and her knee touches the hurdle hard.
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