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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in 200m in Heng

Postby norunner » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:02 am

Thanks, they put it under media, why make it easy and put it under "meeting" next to the timetable, much too easy to find there. :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in 200m in Heng

Postby Team Broersen » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:53 pm

FBK Games - Sat 8th June - Dafne 22.84 SB ( reaction time 0.168 )

Dafne wasn't very happy with that , post race she said about 50m out she lost power and rhythm and that perhaps she still had some fatigue from the Gotzis Hypo Meeting , satisfied with the WK limit for Moscow but not happy with the result
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in 200m in Heng

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:40 pm

Team Broersen wrote:FBK Games - Sat 8th June - Dafne 22.84 SB ( reaction time 0.168 )

Dafne wasn't very happy with that , post race she said about 50m out she lost power and rhythm and that perhaps she still had some fatigue from the Gotzis Hypo Meeting , satisfied with the WK limit for Moscow but not happy with the result

Yeah,1.0 tailwind and such fields cannot help her run under 22.70s and no faster than last year 22.73s in Gotizs,and that is even no better than her 23.08s/-1.5 in cold and wet condition.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in 200m in Heng

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:15 pm

Team Broersen wrote:FBK Games - Sat 8th June - Dafne 22.84 SB ( reaction time 0.168 )

Dafne wasn't very happy with that , post race she said about 50m out she lost power and rhythm and that perhaps she still had some fatigue from the Gotzis Hypo Meeting , satisfied with the WK limit for Moscow but not happy with the result

Yeah,not good at all in 1.0 tailwind and fierce field,even no better than her Gotizs 200m running,hoping better result in Sunday 100m flat.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.64s/-1.7 in Gold Spike

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:20 pm

100 meter W, Heat:4 of 4, W=-1.7 ; Official result
1 4 10 SCHIPPERS Dafne Hellas SEN 11.64
2 5 146 JONES Hayley Groot-Brittannië SEN 11.73
3 6 426 BORLEE Olivia België SEN 12.06
4 3 70 CLAES Hanne België SEN 12.13
5 2 86 DOPHEIDE Marit Groningen Atletiek SEN 12.31
6 8 24 AGT Sacha van Eindhoven Atletiek SEN 12.33
7 1 259 SEDNEY Naomi Ilion SEN 12.41
8 7 58 BOSKER Judith Sprint SEN 12.74

100m Horden W, Heat:2 of 2, W=+1.8 ; Official result

1 4 130 HODDE Rosina Haag Atletiek SEN 13.19
2 3 318 WILLIAMS Suzanne van Groningen Atletiek SEN 13.61
3 5 7 BROERSEN Nadine Sprint SEN 13.68
4 2 192 MEIJ Femke van der Sprint SEN 14.02
5 1 229 PETERSEN Nancy van AV '34 SEN 14.05
6 8 201 MISSINNE Sarah België SEN 14.20
7 7 90 DROST Inge Ilion SEN 14.25
6 168 KROONENBURG Nicole Phanos SEN DNF

LJ W ; Official resul
8 427 HARRIS Amy Groot-Brittannië SEN 6.26 3.0 1 6.24 3.4 6.20 0.0 6.26 3.0 6.15 0.8 X 6.25 -0.9
7 93 DWOMOH Gabriella Ilion SEN 6.08 0.3 2 X 5.92 0.3 6.08 0.3 X X 5.97 0.1
4 163 KORTBEEK Valentine Prins Hendrik SEN 5.95 1.3 3 5.87 1.0 5.75 0.9 5.87 -0.8 5.76 1.0 5.95 1.3 5.77 0.6
6 161 KOOTEN Djanne van VAV SEN 5.95 2.1 4 5.72 2.3 5.64 -0.7 5.95 2.1 5.84 2.4 5.81 -0.4 5.71 0.0
5 94 EDUARDA Meruska Rotterdam Atletiek SEN 5.88 -0.3 5 5.71 0.3 5.33 -1.6 5.88 -0.3 5.44 0.8 5.41 0.1 X
3 7 BROERSEN Nadine Sprint SEN 5.84 1.5 6 5.66 0.1 5.84 1.5 5.08 0.9 X X -
2 158 KLOP Femke Hellas SEN 5.82 -1.1 7 X 5.66 -0.1 X 5.82 1.3 5.82 -1.1 X
1 297 VISSER Nadine SAV SEN 5.69 0.7 8 5.39 -1.0 5.43 0.8 5.45 -0.1 5.62 1.9 5.62 2.2 5.69 0.7
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.65s/1.6 100mH and 1.70

Postby nianchengyu » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:11 am

100mH:
1 294 Schippers, Dafne Hellas Utrecht 13.65 +1.6m/s 12
2 020 Visser, Nadine SAV 13.93 +1.6m/s 11
3 224 van Petersen, Nancy AV '34 13.98 +1.6m/s 10
4 239 Oosterhuis, Anouk AV Atverni 14.79 +1.6m/s 9
5 201 Baar, Brenda AV 1923 14.99 +1.6m/s 8
6 234 Oude Egberink, Lieke AV Attila 15.56 +1.6m/s 6
HJ:
1 237 Hofmans, Tanita AV Attila 1.75 12
2 294 Schippers, Dafne Hellas Utrecht 1.70 10
2 196 Woudstra, Nikki ARV Ilion 1.70 11
4 223 de Haan, Melissa AV '34 1.60 8
4 022 Koopman, Eva SAV 1.60 7
6 258 Berghouwer, Nicole AV Hera 1.55 6
7 307 van Ommeren, Anne Nijmegen Atletiek 1.45 3
8 005 Berkhof, Janneke Rotterdam Atletiek 1.40 0
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.65s/1.6 100mH and 1.70

Postby weia » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:29 pm

Saturday 29 juni Dafne ran 11.10 (+2.0) on 100 meters in Nijvel (Belgium), 0.02 short for a national record. Well done!
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-13.65s/1.6 100mH and 1.70

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:44 pm

weia wrote:Saturday 29 juni Dafne ran 11.10 (+2.0) on 100 meters in Nijvel (Belgium), 0.02 short for a national record. Well done!

Yeah,dafne ran 11.25s/1.5 in qualificaton round and beat Philip oF GBR,after that she got perfect winds to run 11.10s,goood job.
100 METRES TOUTES CATEGORIES DAMES S閞ie: 1 Vent: +1,5m/s 14:33
1 9245 SCHIPPERS DAFNE 11"25 SEND 1992 NLD
2 9210 PHILIP ASHA 11"55 SEND 1990 GBR
3 9042 BREEN MELISSA 11"58 SEND 1990 AUS
4 9121 HORN CARINA 11"82 SEND 1989 ZAF
5 9048 BUVAL PATRICIA 11"82 SEND 1976 FRA
6 9180 MCSWEENEY AILIS 11"89 SEND 1983 IRL

100 METRES TOUTES CATEGORIES DAMES Finale: A Vent: +2,0m/s 18:23
1 9245 SCHIPPERS DAFNE 11"10 SEND 1992 NLD
2 9210 PHILIP ASHA 11"48 SEND 1990 GBR
3 9048 BUVAL PATRICIA 11"65 SEND 1976 FRA
4 9121 HORN CARINA 11"68 SEND 1989 ZAF
5 925 BOLINGO MBONGO CYNTHIA 11"85 SEND 1993 CABW
9042 BREEN MELISSA DNS SEND 1990 AUS
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.10s/2.0 PB 100m in Bel

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:52 pm

Almost good she did not get the record, having a 2.0 is a bit of a bonus for that honor. She will get it later and then fully deserved.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.10s/2.0 PB 100m in Bel

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:10 pm

26mi235 wrote:Almost good she did not get the record, having a 2.0 is a bit of a bonus for that honor. She will get it later and then fully deserved.

Thanks for your reply,do you think she can improve her 100m and 200m record this year?
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.10s/2.0 PB 100m in Bel

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:38 pm

You know much more about her than I do. However, currently she is splitting her time between the Hept and the sprints. If she focuses on the sprints she likely will improve that discipline a bit more rapidly. She has the luxury, I think, to continue with what looks like a dual strategy for a year more -- chose by 2015.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will participate in DL 10

Postby nianchengyu » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:02 pm

This is first diamond league appearance of dafne despite it is a non-diamond event and no strong rivals:
1 VASSELL Kadene NED 11.65 11.71
2 URBÁNKOVÁ Petra CZE 11.71 11.71
3 LAVANCHY Marisa SUI 11.53 11.53
4 SCHIPPERS Dafne NED 11.10 11.10
5 CECHOVÁ Katerina CZE 11.32 11.37
6 KAMBUNDJI Mujinga SUI 11.53 11.68
7 SPRUNGER Ellen/heptathlete as well SUI 11.70 11.70
8 ŠERKŠNIENE Agné LTU 11.69 11.69
As for relay.i cannot have the exact athletes who enter in:
3 USA USA
4 SUISSE SUI
5 NETHERLANDS NED
6 CZECH REPUBLIC CZE
7 SUISSE U20 SUI
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby Jacksf » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:45 am

11.09 PB for Dafne!
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:45 am

dafne schippers ran 11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne 100m to prepare for relay,that is only 0.01s to 27-year-old NED NR by Coolman,terrific job.BTW,local heptathlete SPRUNGER Ellen ran 11.52s PB,too. :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:26 pm

In relay,NED finished 2nd to SWI with 43.84s,after terrible 200m W,I see dafne could win it if she join in.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:31 pm

nianchengyu wrote:In relay,NED finished 2nd to SWI with 43.84s,after terrible 200m W,I see dafne could win it if she join in.


She ran the 2nd leg of the relay, didn't she?
Hutchings said she was running....and it looked like a spectacular leg!!

Hopefully, she'll stick to the Hept (unlike Kluft!)......for awhile before becoming a full time sprinter!!

Do you think she should?
Or do both?
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:38 pm

aaronk wrote:
nianchengyu wrote:In relay,NED finished 2nd to SWI with 43.84s,after terrible 200m W,I see dafne could win it if she join in.


She ran the 2nd leg of the relay, didn't she?
Hutchings said she was running....and it looked like a spectacular leg!!

Hopefully, she'll stick to the Hept (unlike Kluft!)......for awhile before becoming a full time sprinter!!

Do you think she should?
Or do both?

According to my favorite way,she will do heptathlon and sprint both.But in fact,she has knee problems all the time,that is why she do not do a Pentathlon and try heptathlon twice a year,as we know,her JV is bad,800m is also not her event.So actually,doing sprint only is the best way,but she feel boring and very facinated with hep.Maybe she need one or two years to see how she will develope.If she still do terrible JV and cannot cope with knee problem,she will adapt to sprint gradually.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby weia » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:32 pm

Here you can see her relay leg, near the end: http://nos.nl/video/526063-martina-wint ... dames.html
The relay team ran a limit for the world championships although it was a B-team, thanks to Dafne's speed.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:20 am

I get access denied on the videos.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.09s/+1.5 in Lausanne

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:38 am

26mi235 wrote:I get access denied on the videos.

Yeah,I cannot do it,too.BTW,according to NED teambook dafne will be likely to join in 100m,LJ and relay despite she entered in 200m as well.That implys dafne will try heptathlon and 200m if she is healthy.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-likely join in 100m,LJ U2

Postby weia » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:26 am

O sorry, it is a video of the national broadcasting, maybe only visible within our country...
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-likely join in 100m,LJ U2

Postby MDelano » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:30 am

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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:35 am

preston wrote:...A not yet 20 year old with PB's of 11.19, 22.69, 13.27 is NOT a heptathlete (Ashton Eaton could be anything; he's scary!), she's a sprinter! We don't think of Sally Pearson as a heptathlete, and Schippers PB's for age are better than Michelle Perry - who is NO LONGER a heptathlete...

Europe keeps wondering why they are so underrepresented in the sprints compared to NACAC and one reason COULD be that Schippers, Ennis and a few others should probably be running the 100, 200, 400, 100h and 400h but instead they push them towards field events.

11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby norunner » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:46 am

batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby LopenUupunut » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:05 am

norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.
Also - strange as it may be for a heptathlete - she has yet to prove she can handle the rounds in sprinting. More than once she's run great times in heats and/or semis only to disappoint in the final; her two best 200m times (22.69 and 22.70) are from the WC heat in '11 and the EC semi in '12 respectively, and while she did run her best time in the final at the Euro Indoors this year she looked better in the heats.
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:34 am

LopenUupunut wrote:
norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.
Also - strange as it may be for a heptathlete - she has yet to prove she can the handle the rounds in sprinting. More than once she's run great times in heats and/or semis only to disappoint in the final; her two best 200m times (22.69 and 22.70) are from the WC heat in '11 and the EC semi in '12 respectively, and while she did run her best time in the final at the Euro Indoors this year she looked better in the heats.

Wouldn't it make sense that she would "disappoint" if she only does the event part-time? Sprinting is a skill!!! The reason why she can't replicate her performance (for rounds) is probably because she hasn't had sufficient reps. This isn't abnormal at all, in fact, its one of the truisms of our sport. Also, being the 3rd fastest European currently doesn't mean anything BECAUSE too many Europeans believe that she can never get to 10.85s. Start training her like her 10.85 counterparts and I think she gets there. If you count the number of 60m, 100m, 200m, 4x1 and 4x4s by English Gardner and Octavious Freeman and compared them to Schippers you would instantly see how little sprinting Schippers has actually done. And, if we discount the Des Moines...Schippers is as advanced in ability as those two sprinters who are the best in America. And, she's currently ahead of ALL Caribbean women born in '92 or later except Carrie Russell.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-likely join in 100m,LJ U2

Postby t_monk » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:48 pm

I agree that this girl is just screaming to be a pure sprinter. I've known about her sprinting prowess since I saw her clocking some rather swift 200m times. For someone not to be focusing on the event, splitting their time with throwing, distance running, jumps, hurdling and so on, an 11.10 and an 11.09 is damn good. She should give the sprints her focus for a season maybe, fully, get a good coach and all and see what she can do with this.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.20s/1.4 first round of

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:55 am

dafne ran 11.20s/1.4 result in EU23,while Pinto and willams Jodie also had good result in first round considering their tailwind.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.20s/1.4 first round of

Postby batonless relay » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:16 am

 Semifinal 1 Wind:-1.5
Result Athlete Nation Reaction time Result
11.30 Q SCHIPPERS, Dafne  NED 0.163 11.30 Q
11.69 Q KAMBUNDJI, Mujinga  SUI 0.101 11.69 Q
11.77 Q PROCHÁZKOVÁ, Barbora  CZE 0.175 11.77 Q
11.79   JOHNCOCK, Rachel  GBR 0.165 11.79  
11.94   OPON, Martyna  POL 0.221 11.94  
11.98   HAASE, Rebekka  GER 0.159 11.98  
11.98   MCMANUS, Catherine  IRL 0.157 11.98  
12.08   GAMBA, Laura  ITA 0.182 12.08  
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby MDelano » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:09 pm

batonless relay wrote:If you count the number of 60m, 100m, 200m, 4x1 and 4x4s by English Gardner and Octavious Freeman and compared them to Schippers you would instantly see how little sprinting Schippers has actually done.


It's probably even less than you think. In her entire career the only times she ran multiple sprints on the same day have been when she ran the 100 at the dutch national junior or senior championships, and on those occasions she obviously could cruise through the preliminary rounds. I don't believe she ever ran 100&200, and definitely not 100+200+4x1 or 4x4 relay which is a typical demand placed on a college athlete on a regular basis.
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:04 pm

norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.


This is less a theory and more a simply statement of truth. European's struggle to get their sprinters sub-11/sub9.9 to compete with the North Americans. And by struggle I mean we utterly fail. but we do utterly dominate the Heptathlon and have good stakes in the Decathlon.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby DentyCracker » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:42 pm

That girl is a sprinter and the sooner she realises it the better. From that reraly she is just flat out fast and looks the part
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby Gabriella » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:49 pm

MDelano wrote: In her entire career the only times she ran multiple sprints on the same day have been when she ran the 100 at the dutch national junior or senior championships, and on those occasions she obviously could cruise through the preliminary rounds.


Quoted just a snippet here, but this is obviously key. To a greater extent this is the problem for a lot of UK and German sprinters; they do not compete often enough against quality opposition where they have to run hard through rounds.

Look at Verena Sailer; the German championships now comprises of just two rounds (it used to be 3) and she is way ahead of her opposition nationally (well, Pinto is good but not consistent). She won both heat and final by huge margins. Put her against a fast American and would she have run the same? It's also conditions. Restrict your competition to Northern Europe and the Lowlands and you are not getting the weather factor Souther Europe, USA or the Caribbean get. Sailer's 11.09 wind reading was -0.5. That was a sub 11 sec run with just a 1.0, let along 2.0. But that magical barrier alludes her. Put that run in the US or Jamaican championships and she would be low 10.9s.

I want to see Schippers do the sprints one season too. And the funny thing is she doesnt even take full advantage of her stride, which is quite choppy and short for a woman of 5'10. (new young heptathlete Biesenbach has a much better stride and extension). She could do so much more, but how fast is still debatable. I see a high 10.9 and 22.3 at best, which are superb. But of course not necessarily winning times.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:28 am

I did not know to this girl but i saw her these days in EU23, and she is amazing runner.
She has only 21 years and is super fast.
She can to get perfectly sub11 with this body that is for combined events.
If she lose some lbs and trains only sprint she could to be in few years a 10.8 sprinter and to be near medals or some medal in WC or OG.

She is average in heptaplon but her talent in sprint is very high :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:43 am

ZELLGADISS wrote:I did not know to this girl but i saw her these days in EU23, and she is amazing runner.
She has only 21 years and is super fast.
She can to get perfectly sub11 with this body that is for combined events.
If she lose some lbs and trains only sprint she could to be in few years a 10.8 sprinter and to be near medals or some medal in WC or OG.

She is average in heptaplon but her talent in sprint is very high :D

:D ,I also think so although I would like she can do both initially,but she likes heptathlon very much despite she always has knee problems in HJ and needs some time to decide her future like going under 11s sooner.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:48 am

Yes, nianchengyu.

So i hope that when she gets a great time in 100m, she decides to run only sprint.
She could to be amazing in sprint, im sure :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:10 am

eldanielfire wrote:
norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:11.10 and 11.09 in the last 2 weeks but she's a heptathlete? Schippers is the 3rd fastest European at 100m in 2013 and she does the event part-time. If Schippers isn't a 100m sprinter than who in Europe is?
My theory: Being the third fastest sprinter in Europe means nothing on a world scale and european women hardly ever run times that would put them close to the medals at WCs or Olympics. So she may think she has a better chance of reaching 6600 points than she has of running 10.85s.


This is less a theory and more a simply statement of truth. European's struggle to get their sprinters sub-11/sub9.9 to compete with the North Americans. And by struggle I mean we utterly fail. but we do utterly dominate the Heptathlon and have good stakes in the Decathlon.

"Truth" is nothing more than incomplete discovery! (the world is flat, well it used to be, well it it still is because we're all part of the matrix...) It doesn't matter what past Europeans struggled to do, you coach the individual athlete's talents not the event history or the ethnicity. And, the reason why "Europeans" utterly fail is because they don't actually believe they can compete; it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now, I'm not saying that every European is as talented as Schippers or that Schippers is more talented than some of the women that she is currently faster than, what I am saying is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to know what her prospects are if they are not fully tested.

Gabriella makes a point that I mentioned earlier about climate in the Lemaitre thread but when was the last time Spain or Greece had a decent sprinter? Climate is certainly more "sprint favorable" than Sweden or Denmark (which currently has the fastest youth in the world with a time of 10.37; he's not competing at World Youth, though) but it really comes down to attitudes. Do you believe that you have the talent and that it can be nurtured. Currently Ireland's favorable climate [sarcasm] has produced one of the fastest juniors in the world. He's coached by his mother. She believed.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:30 am

Schippers dominated Euro-U23! Into the wind (-0.7)! And, she's a heptathlete? (a very good one at that, but it sure would be nice to see her concentrate on the sprints for 2 seasons)

  Wind:-0.7
Result Athlete Nation
11.13 SCHIPPERS, Dafne  NED
11.42 WILLIAMS, Jodie  GBR
11.50 LOFAMAKANDA PINTO, Tatjana  GER
11.55 KAMBUNDJI, Mujinga  SUI
11.68 JOHNCOCK, Rachel  GBR
11.75 PROCHÁZKOVÁ, Barbora  CZE
11.78 SIRAGUSA, Irene  ITA
11.86 BUSK, Daniella  SWE
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.30s/-1.5 semi in EU23

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:46 am

She is the future of european sprint.
In heptaplon she is only average, in sprint is great, please Dafne m you should to decide to run only sprint :D
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Re: dafne schippers definitely said she is a heptathlete.

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:54 am

[quote="Gabriella

I want to see Schippers do the sprints one season too. And the funny thing is she doesn't even take full advantage of her stride, which is quite choppy and short for a woman of 5'10. (new young heptathlete Biesenbach has a much better stride and extension)[/quote]

Train with Okagbare?
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