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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in hep,relay in

Postby weia » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:03 pm

The 800 is extraordinary!! She comes from far away with the 800. When I saw her for the first time she was 10 or 11 and doing a multi with other kids of our club. In the high jump it was immediately clear she had explosive muscles, but after that she had to run a 600 and she didn't want it al all, crying, wheeping, angry and her mother had to push her to do it. And now...!
The rest of the heptathlon wasn't very special, just good enough. But in the end a PB and a NR.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers

Postby weia » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:14 pm

weia wrote:Early 2011 I predicted that Dafne should improve the national record on 200 in 2011, the 100 in 2012, the heptathlon in 2013 and the long jump in 2014. The first step has been done.


The year of the 100 was not a good prediction, but the hep she has improved in the predicted year!
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in hep,relay in

Postby Gabriella » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:22 am

Does anyone know whether Schippers had a reaction to anything recently? Her face, shoulders and upper arms were covered in acne and welts. I'm not suggetsing anything, just genuinely curious as I haven't noticed the shoulders/arms before (though she has always been a bit pimply faced)
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in hep,relay in

Postby Marlow » Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:20 am

I have been following this thread for its near year and a half life and have been bemused by nianchengyu's enamorment of Ms. Schippers, thinking all along that it was an aaronesque infatuation (not unlike my adoration of Stacy), but after the Hep, I am a True Believer! Good on ya, mate!! :D
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in hep,relay in

Postby nianchengyu » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:21 am

Gabriella wrote:Does anyone know whether Schippers had a reaction to anything recently? Her face, shoulders and upper arms were covered in acne and welts. I'm not suggetsing anything, just genuinely curious as I haven't noticed the shoulders/arms before (though she has always been a bit pimply faced)

I thought she is like that before,maybe you looked too far from her,and her bronze medalist much liklely stops her sprint alone,at this meeting she definately up and down from an early SP,or she can score 6600p around,and her 200m and SP upset me much,5 times under 11.20s 100m this year but cannot break her own NR,hoping she could do it after WC.As for SP,powerful muscles and figure do not put her as a great SPer currently,PB dates back to 2011.I think she should lose some weight even in heptathlon,her HJ looked terrible still and heavily on bar.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-won bronze in heptathlon

Postby weia » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:27 am

Her own comments: knee problem in the high jump, also in the shot put and the start of the 200. She expected to run faster than 22.84. Second day: I heard no complaint about the knee.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-won bronze in heptathlon

Postby Wilmar » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:28 pm

've followed Dafne (professionally) for years and years now. This (both combined events and sprints) is all more or less in line with optimistic expectations raised about her from a pretty young age
(fun detail: www.atletiektoto.nl organizer Ronald van Weele was her coach for a while; she has now been with former Decathlete Bart Bennema for five years).

Schippers reportedly focused on speed this year (which was also a EC U23 year), and it showed. The main 'debate' in The Netherlands is in fact between people urging her to quit heptathlon and focus on sprints. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me, but more importantly, if you ask her.
* First of all, she prefers the heptathlon. Which means case closed right there.
* Secondly, as she pointed out herself, she would never have gotten a sprint medal at these Worlds. And even if you start the 'what if' argument re: Ennis, Chernova, Schwartzkopf absences, Heptathlon was clearly her best shot this year (even assuming she'd have improved herself over 100/200 again, and not counting like absences of VCB, Baptiste, and others).
* Either way, over several years now Schippers has booked more progression in the sprints while training for the Heptathlon than just about all other 'specialists'. So even if it is all-round training, why would you ever change what you're doing? It's obviously working - for both sprints and heptathlon.
The argument is of course that she might do even better otherwise. But I personally doubt that. More sprinting just as easily makes her more susceptible to associated injuries. Especially since one of the arguments is about a vulnerable knee. Which joint nevertheless is, I believe, Schippers' 'achilles heel' in terms of Heptathlon.
Otherwise, at 21 and already this fast, she has incredible growth potential in just about all Heptathlon events. 13 dead hurdles, 14.50 shot, consistent 1.80 HJ, 22.50 sprints, 6.70 LJ, 45 javelin and consistent sub-2.10 all (or say about 5-6 of them) seem pretty achievable in about 2-4 years. And if Schippers gets only about 3-4 of those marks in addition to her current bests, she will be a force to be reckoned with in Rio - even with the likes of Ennis/Chernova and others.

BTW, Schippers is scheduled to run the Dutch 4x100 meters later this week in Moscow. Read that she's come out of the Heptathlon reasonably well, and she's bounced back for the relay a number of years already (OG London, among others). It was also reported she might run a 100 meters in Brussels (but not until after she's gone on a brief holiday).
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-won bronze in heptathlon

Postby dustoff » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:32 pm

Perhaps she wouldn't have gotten a sprint medal, but I don't necessarily believe it. 10.9 got a medal and she is practically an 11.0 runner while training for the heptathlon. She might already be that fast with more race experience.

Additionally, she got a bronze because of many athletes not being there. If the same leaders (by rank) were gone from the sprints, she would have had a similar chance for a medal.

Finally, she could be the best European sprinter, which alone will afford her many area titles and a perennial finalist as long as the US/Jamaica can only send 3 athletes.

I'm convinced she could be a 10.7-10.8 sprinter by the end of her career if she focuses on it. Judging by her lack of substantial progress in key events in the hept, I am not convinced she has a chance of ever winning a title, considering this was her best case scenario, ran out of her skin, ad took home a bronze.

Her hurdles and jumps are far too weak for her speed and size.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-won bronze in heptathlon

Postby MDelano » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:34 am

Wilmar, however those predictions could have been made just as easily 2 years ago when she was a junior and her PBs were 13.27 - 1.70 - 14.19 - 22.69 - 6.47 - 41.80 - 2.15.74 (and 11.19 in the 100).
Apart from that extraordinary effort in the 800m this week (which she didn't have to run all out to win the hep as a junior), there hasn't been the kind of progression one would have expected at her age and her knee problem surely has something to do with that.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-won bronze in heptathlon

Postby Wilmar » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:21 am

And indeed, dustoff, Mdelano, those are exactly the same discussions going around in The Netherlands.
Frankly, more fun speculating about this kind of stuff than about doping cases (a magazine article featuring alleged doping use of a prominent Dutch athlete attracted a lot of attention this week, detracting quite a bit from the Worlds).

re: dustoff - I think I agree Dafne may very well go well under 11.00. But looking at her progression in the last 4-5 years, does not seem Heptathlon training has hurt her too, too much in that quest. And it's not like she does not sprint competitively, it's way more than everything else combined, including the EC indoors and the EC U23 Champs.
Don't think I agree she had as much change in the 100 or 200 meters as she had in the Heptathlon (her last sprints, including Birmingham and indeed the World's Heptathlon 200) actually hinted she may have sprint-peaked, although that's a very, very dangerous suggestion especialy with athletes as competitive as Schippers ;-)). Either way, we'll never know.
re: Mdelano - impressive list of 2011 pb's indeed. Unfortunately, the same list can also be used to negate the sprint-switch, because her progression there is in line with the other events (minor correction needed re: javelin). My theory: a number of those 2011 performances were 'peaks'/outliers. Her 'lack' of progression may in part be misleading - Schippers is a lot more consistent these days ('base level' has gone up). And I think she may indeed actually be at a higher level in a few events, if only she'd have (done) more competitions. However, not the case, as she's done so much sprinting... ;-).

Anyway, we'll see. And I guess we definitely do agree it will be fun to do so :-)
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-won bronze in heptathlon

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:12 pm

Wilmar wrote:And indeed, dustoff, Mdelano, those are exactly the same discussions going around in The Netherlands.
Frankly, more fun speculating about this kind of stuff than about doping cases (a magazine article featuring alleged doping use of a prominent Dutch athlete attracted a lot of attention this week, detracting quite a bit from the Worlds).

re: dustoff - I think I agree Dafne may very well go well under 11.00. But looking at her progression in the last 4-5 years, does not seem Heptathlon training has hurt her too, too much in that quest. And it's not like she does not sprint competitively, it's way more than everything else combined, including the EC indoors and the EC U23 Champs.
Don't think I agree she had as much change in the 100 or 200 meters as she had in the Heptathlon (her last sprints, including Birmingham and indeed the World's Heptathlon 200) actually hinted she may have sprint-peaked, although that's a very, very dangerous suggestion especialy with athletes as competitive as Schippers ;-)). Either way, we'll never know.
re: Mdelano - impressive list of 2011 pb's indeed. Unfortunately, the same list can also be used to negate the sprint-switch, because her progression there is in line with the other events (minor correction needed re: javelin). My theory: a number of those 2011 performances were 'peaks'/outliers. Her 'lack' of progression may in part be misleading - Schippers is a lot more consistent these days ('base level' has gone up). And I think she may indeed actually be at a higher level in a few events, if only she'd have (done) more competitions. However, not the case, as she's done so much sprinting... ;-).

Anyway, we'll see. And I guess we definitely do agree it will be fun to do so :-)

In fact,if she can stick to heptathlon and run sprint reatly,that is best.But following her WC bronze her technique across all events are not good at all,mostly depending her speed.Except her tremendous 800m run which she need to maintain her medal,she did not consistent at all,so early bad result in SP with so strong body.Indeed,she did not have much progress comparing to 2011,HJ,LJ,800m and 200m which she need to upgrade.Her total score is great in 6702p,but she need put them together.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will run 150m in Amsterda

Postby nianchengyu » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:12 am

Schippers will run her first race in Amsterdam on 31st Aug since relay part in WC,although no helping Dutch team to get into final,she still achieve her huge progress in rankings.This time she will run 150m agianist Aleen Bailey JAM,Lemos Silva of BRA and Margaret Adeoye.I wonder why the organizers do not include a 200m race which I really hope she can break her NR this year.
Here are the meeting site:
http://www.flamegamesamsterdam.com/
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-16.93s/2.0 150m in Amster

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:25 pm

150 Metres Women, W=+2.0 ; Official result
Photo finish picture
Rank Lane ID Name PB Team Cat Result Info Video
1 5 1059 RYEMYEN Mariya UKR SEN 16.73
2 4 1058 SCHIPPERS Dafne NED SEN 16.93
3 7 1062 ADEOYE Margaret GBR SEN 17.15
4 3 1060 BAILEY Aleen JAM SEN 17.30
5 6 1061 LEMOS SILVA Ana Claudia BRA SEN 17.50
6 2 1064 GHAFOOR Madiea NED SEN 17.61
7 8 1063 RAZOR Bianca ROU SEN 17.85
8 1 1097 ROTARU Alina ROU SEN 18.66
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-16.93s/2.0 150m in Amster

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:40 pm

Next dafne will run 100m in Brussels,hoping for good result after a breakthrough year.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-will join in 100m in Brus

Postby nianchengyu » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:35 am

The startlist:
Athlete DATE OF BIRTH Nation PB SB
ANDERSON Alexandria 28.01.1987 USA 10.91 10.91
FRASER-PRYCE Shelly-Ann 27.12.1986 JAM 10.70 10.71
PIERRE Barbara 28.04.1987 USA 10.85 10.85
RUSSELL Carrie 18.10.1990 JAM 10.98 10.98
SAILER Verena 16.10.1985 GER 11.02 11.02
SCHIPPERS Dafne 15.06.1992 NED 11.09 11.09
STEWART Kerron 16.04.1984 JAM 10.75 10.96
TOWNSEND Tiffany 14.06.1989 USA 11.13 11.19
WILLIAMS Charonda 27.03.1987 USA 11.07 11.07
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:27 pm

dafne finished 8th with 11.31s and this is her last competition this year,she will take vacations until mid-October,blessing to her.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby cheetah69 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:41 am

lol. what's the fascination with this chick? She ran 11.3. Aren't there high schoolers who've run much faster? I've seen talk of 10.6s and other such ridiculousness. Is her father the owner of the board or something.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby dustoff » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:37 am

cheetah69 wrote:lol. what's the fascination with this chick? She ran 11.3. Aren't there high schoolers who've run much faster? I've seen talk of 10.6s and other such ridiculousness. Is her father the owner of the board or something.


She is a former WJ champ in the multi-events who at 21 has a WC individual medal and a 100 pr of 11.0 despite focusing on the multi-events. Clearly quite a bit of talent and one of the better prospects from Europe. I'm unaware of the high schoolers running faster than 11.0.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby ZELLGADISS » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:03 am

fascination?
A girl with only 21 years training heptaplon, without to train really sprint, got 11.09 recently.

Training only sprint and perhaps losing some lbs(she is a little "heavy" because she makes shot put and other throws) she could to be in few years in 10.8.

She has big talent, it is sure.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:16 pm

cheetah69 wrote:lol. what's the fascination with this chick? She ran 11.3. Aren't there high schoolers who've run much faster? I've seen talk of 10.6s and other such ridiculousness. Is her father the owner of the board or something.

Your comment is ridiculous,it is the end of year and a little headwind,10.6s is a possbility according to her 2011 performance,even Fraser ran 11.4+ early this year and only a 11.3s runner at her best before 2008.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby cheetah69 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:12 pm

nianchengyu wrote:
cheetah69 wrote:lol. what's the fascination with this chick? She ran 11.3. Aren't there high schoolers who've run much faster? I've seen talk of 10.6s and other such ridiculousness. Is her father the owner of the board or something.

Your comment is ridiculous,it is the end of year and a little headwind,10.6s is a possbility according to her 2011 performance,even Fraser ran 11.4+ early this year and only a 11.3s runner at her best before 2008.


I laughed when I first read your response because I thought you were being funny. But. You. Weren't. You honestly think that with a little bit of headwind, she could run 10.6? Say what? This despite the fact that only 3 women in the history of running have ever run that fast? I think y'all are seeing what you want to see and are making A WHOLE LOT out of very little. How many promising runners have we seen who not only didn't go on to epic things but didn't garner this much attention? I still don't get what's exciting you folks so much. This seems insane.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby 18.99s » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:13 am

What is the correct way to pronounce her last name?

I've heard different announcers pronouncing the first part of her last name as "shype", "ship" , and "skip".
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby gh » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:23 am

Since the Amsterdam airport, Schipol is close to "ski pole" I would assume it's pronounced close to ski-purse
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby weia » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:59 am

'shype' 'ship' and 'skip' are all wrong. De 'ch' is like the 'ch' in scottish 'loch' or spanish 'j' like in 'jabalina'. A harsher pronunciation is also often heard and then it sounds for foreigners more like an arab sound or something like the guttural 'r' in northern France.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby lionelp1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:31 pm

weia wrote:'shype' 'ship' and 'skip' are all wrong. De 'ch' is like the 'ch' in scottish 'loch' or spanish 'j' like in 'jabalina'. A harsher pronunciation is also often heard and then it sounds for foreigners more like an arab sound or something like the guttural 'r' in northern France.


Thanks for getting it right in the end. The English speaking peoples are never happy with the use of guttural pronunciation but having learned Dutch in days gone by for family reasons and Hebrew for religious reasons the Schippers thing was no problem. I have to say that Dutch is not the most attractive language to hear, nearly as awful as Welsh.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby weia » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:30 pm

Thank you ;-) Well, the Belgian pronunciation of Schippers is maybe more to your liking, but the pronunciation in the dialect of her hometown Utrecht you will like much less!
To add: the 'i' is like in english 'bit', the '-pers' is like english 'snipers'.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby 18.99s » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:47 pm

I don't know what you guys are talking about and probably couldn't pronounce her name how it's really supposed to be pronounced anyway, so for now she's "shippers" to me.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby dustoff » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:26 pm

cheetah69 wrote:
I laughed when I first read your response because I thought you were being funny. But. You. Weren't. You honestly think that with a little bit of headwind, she could run 10.6? Say what? This despite the fact that only 3 women in the history of running have ever run that fast? I think y'all are seeing what you want to see and are making A WHOLE LOT out of very little. How many promising runners have we seen who not only didn't go on to epic things but didn't garner this much attention? I still don't get what's exciting you folks so much. This seems insane.


I'm curious what is not to be interested in an athlete going 11.0x when she is primarily a multi-eventer--one that took a medal at age 21 at that? Please do explain. At the same age, SAFP had a pb of 11.3 while focusing on the 100m. Not many have run faster at that age and certainly none that were focused on another nearly completely separate event like the multis.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby cheetah69 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:32 am

dustoff wrote:
cheetah69 wrote:
I laughed when I first read your response because I thought you were being funny. But. You. Weren't. You honestly think that with a little bit of headwind, she could run 10.6? Say what? This despite the fact that only 3 women in the history of running have ever run that fast? I think y'all are seeing what you want to see and are making A WHOLE LOT out of very little. How many promising runners have we seen who not only didn't go on to epic things but didn't garner this much attention? I still don't get what's exciting you folks so much. This seems insane.


I'm curious what is not to be interested in an athlete going 11.0x when she is primarily a multi-eventer--one that took a medal at age 21 at that? Please do explain. At the same age, SAFP had a pb of 11.3 while focusing on the 100m. Not many have run faster at that age and certainly none that were focused on another nearly completely separate event like the multis.


"Interested?" yeah. Whole thread running 8 pages long seems to be a bit much. This chick is not SAFP. She won't be anywhere near her. Was it Angela Williams who ran 11.1 as a high schooler but failed to go on to anything much greater after that. I finally clicked on some videos to see this chick and I'm still baffled. But I guess I get it. Perhaps this is the L'emtraitre thing all over again. I just wish folks called it what it really was.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby Daisy » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:55 am

cheetah69 wrote:"Interested?" yeah. Whole thread running 8 pages long seems to be a bit much

But started in Mar 2012. Imagine how long all the threads mentioning SFP over the same time frame would be if added together.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby gh » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:47 am

cheetah69 wrote:...
"Interested?" yeah. Whole thread running 8 pages long seems to be a bit much. This chick is not SAFP. She won't be anywhere near her. Was it Angela Williams who ran 11.1 as a high schooler but failed to go on to anything much greater after that. ...


Williams ran 11.11 as a prep but went on to a notable collegiate (multiple NCAA titles, American Junior Record) and beyond (2 World Indoor golds at 60m) career.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby tandfman » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:27 pm

gh wrote:Williams ran 11.11 as a prep but went on to a notable collegiate (multiple NCAA titles . . .

To be more precise, she won the NCAA 100m title four years in a row.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby cheetah69 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:11 pm

Daisy wrote:
cheetah69 wrote:"Interested?" yeah. Whole thread running 8 pages long seems to be a bit much

But started in Mar 2012. Imagine how long all the threads mentioning SFP over the same time frame would be if added together.


I think you'd agree that for an athlete who's had back-to-back Olympic Golds, has two 100m WC titles, one 200m title, and who's one of the top 5 fastest women ever, such a thread would be warranted.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby cheetah69 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:15 pm

gh wrote:
cheetah69 wrote:...
"Interested?" yeah. Whole thread running 8 pages long seems to be a bit much. This chick is not SAFP. She won't be anywhere near her. Was it Angela Williams who ran 11.1 as a high schooler but failed to go on to anything much greater after that. ...


Williams ran 11.11 as a prep but went on to a notable collegiate (multiple NCAA titles, American Junior Record) and beyond (2 World Indoor golds at 60m) career.


Yeah, but c'mon, despite her stellar prep career, she didn't do much as a pro. Did she even break 10.9? And yet we're talking about a 21 year old running 11.0 and suggesting a possible 10.6????!!!!
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby dustoff » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:21 pm

So in a year she focused on the multi-events (taking a world medal), she ran faster than 11.1, so I don't see your point exactly in comparing her to Angela Williams. What exactly is your point again?

An 8 page thread doesn't mean a whole lot. After all, it has gone on for more than a year and a half, sporadically, updating with her results for those interested. There are more threads and posts dedicated to the doping ban SAFP had a few years ago than there are total posts about Schippers, so I fail to see your point.

And while the poster may have bee exuberant, he/she clearly said it may happen in the future and is an indication of talent, not that she can run 10.6 today.

You are only adding posts to this thread about an athlete who 'isn't worth it', so I don't really see your point.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby cheetah69 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:18 am

dustoff wrote:So in a year she focused on the multi-events (taking a world medal), she ran faster than 11.1, so I don't see your point exactly in comparing her to Angela Williams. What exactly is your point again?

An 8 page thread doesn't mean a whole lot. After all, it has gone on for more than a year and a half, sporadically, updating with her results for those interested. There are more threads and posts dedicated to the doping ban SAFP had a few years ago than there are total posts about Schippers, so I fail to see your point.

And while the poster may have bee exuberant, he/she clearly said it may happen in the future and is an indication of talent, not that she can run 10.6 today.

You are only adding posts to this thread about an athlete who 'isn't worth it', so I don't really see your point.


I'm sure my point is clear. I mentioned Angela because she was much younger and ran just as fast. And yet she went on to do not much in the way of pro sprinting. And this whole idea that this chick didn't train for the sprints as if she's naturally gonna run 11.0 is b.s. She competed in the heptathlon correct? Part of that training is sprint training. You guys go on as if she were a shot putter who dabbled in a one-off 100 and blazed an 11.0. That's not what we're talking about.

Again anything involving SAFP deserves much more press. Drug suspension, championship run or hell, a trip to the grocery store. She's one of the greatest sprinters to ever walk the planet and you have the nerve to mention her in the same breath as you do Schippers?

Why isn't anyone saying the truth here? This woman hasn't exhibited other worldly talent that we haven't seen in young athletes before. Marion, Allyson, Angela, Sanya are just a few of the super young and super gifted. I wonder how many of them would have elicited such passionate replies or spirited prophecies if we had these boards when they were in their teens?
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby Daisy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:18 am

cheetah69 wrote:
dustoff wrote:So in a year she focused on the multi-events (taking a world medal), she ran faster than 11.1, so I don't see your point exactly in comparing her to Angela Williams. What exactly is your point again?

An 8 page thread doesn't mean a whole lot. After all, it has gone on for more than a year and a half, sporadically, updating with her results for those interested. There are more threads and posts dedicated to the doping ban SAFP had a few years ago than there are total posts about Schippers, so I fail to see your point.

And while the poster may have bee exuberant, he/she clearly said it may happen in the future and is an indication of talent, not that she can run 10.6 today.

You are only adding posts to this thread about an athlete who 'isn't worth it', so I don't really see your point.


I'm sure my point is clear.

Excellent, so why don't you move onto the SFP threads. :?:
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby dustoff » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:22 am

cheetah69 wrote:I'm sure my point is clear. I mentioned Angela because she was much younger and ran just as fast. And yet she went on to do not much in the way of pro sprinting. And this whole idea that this chick didn't train for the sprints as if she's naturally gonna run 11.0 is b.s. She competed in the heptathlon correct? Part of that training is sprint training. You guys go on as if she were a shot putter who dabbled in a one-off 100 and blazed an 11.0. That's not what we're talking about.

Again anything involving SAFP deserves much more press. Drug suspension, championship run or hell, a trip to the grocery store. She's one of the greatest sprinters to ever walk the planet and you have the nerve to mention her in the same breath as you do Schippers?

Why isn't anyone saying the truth here? This woman hasn't exhibited other worldly talent that we haven't seen in young athletes before. Marion, Allyson, Angela, Sanya are just a few of the super young and super gifted. I wonder how many of them would have elicited such passionate replies or spirited prophecies if we had these boards when they were in their teens?


So 1 thread for a WC medalist over the course of 2 seasons is too much? I think you need to get a grip on reality and quit boosting up the thread you yourself say is a waste of time. A page of the thread has been dedicated to you, of course.

There were many threads and discussions about Marion (well, maybe not as much her since it was in the 90s), Allyson, Angela, and Sanya. Perhaps it is you that needs to go back and review history.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby Daisy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:18 am

dustoff wrote:There were many threads and discussions about Marion (well, maybe not as much her since it was in the 90s), Allyson, Angela, and Sanya. Perhaps it is you that needs to go back and review history.

Hasay, Twell and Pidgeon had a lot too.
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Re: Take notice of dafne schippers-11.31s/-0.3 in Brussels

Postby akua*d » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:28 am

cheetah69. if forumites want to observe and discuss european sprint talents (rare enough), so shall it be done. if you want to discuss caribbean 11.3 talents, you can start a thread as well and facilitate endless discourses as seen on the caribbean track and field forum.
as for me, i am happy to follow this thread (as well as the caribbean forum) as it provides info on athletes that i could not gather elsewhere.
regarding safp: yeah, she's the queen. please open a thread on her, so we can top these 8 pages in a fraction of two years :D
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