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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:42 pm

mal wrote:Phil May - the 'only' Australian Athlete to hold both a Commonwealth Track and a Commonwealth Field event record at the same time.
Or was it first?
Relay 4 X100 m 39.2, TJ 17.02

First Aussie male maybe.

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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:42 pm

Frayne's A qualifier in the LJ shifts the pressure onto Fabrice Lapierre (and R.Crowther) to get to 8.20m+ ASAP.

With Watt preselected, there's no way a B (8.10-8.19m) is going to cut it.

Here's hoping Frayne can get the very demanding TJ A (17.20m) down here in Melbourne.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:15 pm

Sally was all out, and far from businesslike in any of her races. She goes hard, and the times show it.

Steffensen is progressing as planned. Way too much made of his JOKE in Perth, and his personality is sorely needed as Hooker battles the yips and Sally complains about rolling starts and not breaking 23 in the 200.

Great runs by Tamsyn and Birmingham and Boden!

Overall fun meets to be around, need more venues like these around the States, to get butts in a seats and crowd noise. Looking forward to Melbourne!
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

AS wrote:With Watt preselected, there's no way a B (8.10-8.19m) is going to cut it..
I just hope it doesn't get as messy as women's 400m was in 1992.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:14 pm

I see the Aussie team for the World Indoors was supposed to be announced around 20 Feb.

Qualified athletes:

Jeff Riseley (800/1500)
Ryan Foster (1500)
Collis Birmingham (3k)
Ben St Lawrence (3k)
Craig Mottram (3k)
Mitch Watt (LJ)
Henry Frayne (LJ/TJ)
Dale Stevenson (SP)

Sally Pearson (60/60H)
Alana Boyd (PV)

Be good to see at least Boyd and Frayne join Sal on the team and get some more experience at top-level.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:08 pm

Jana pulls out of the trials. Looking to qualify for OG via Nationals (April) and Japan (May).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6278386991
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:36 pm

Start lists for Melbourne next week are out. The back-straight mob (assuming there still is one at Lakeside...) will enjoy the fields below with PBs (listed) a chance for many:

M 1500m
3-30.46 Asbel Kiprop KEN
3-31.06 Ryan Gregson AUS
3-31.79 Nick Willis NZL
3-32.93 Jeff Riseley AUS
3-34.25 David Torrence USA
3-38.68 Brenton Rowe AUT
3-39.47 Jordy Williamsz AUS
3-39.57 Ryan Foster AUS
3-40.41 Brett Robinson AUS
3-40.50 Paul Robinson IRL
3-41.68 Josh Wright AUS
3-43.81 Mark Blicavs AUS

M 5000m
debut Jairus Kipchoge KEN
12-55.76 Craig Mottram AUS
13-10.08 Ben St Lawrence AUS
13-10.97 Collis Birmingham AUS
13-22.38 Jake Robertson NZL
13-24.11 Ben True USA
13-25.34 Nick McCormack GBR
13-25.63 David McNeill AUS
13-25.82 Brandon Bethke USA
13-27.85 Andy Vernon GBR
13-34.58 Harry Summers AUS
13-40.98 Brett Robinson AUS
13-43.32 Liam Adams AUS
13-54.67 Brenton Rowe AUT
13-57.80 Jackson Elliott AUS
14-23.38 Will Leer USA

Full lists (some errors included) - http://www.athletics.com.au/home/compet ... elbournetc

PS - Michael Frater joins Kim Collins as the big names competing at the Stawell Gift in a few weeks.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby typpo » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:03 pm

Alana Boyd vaulted a 4.76 AR in Perth last night.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:32 pm

So what did people think about last night's 7.30 Report 'expose' of AA selection? Didn't think there was anything much in it myself, although a couple of Hollingsworth's answers made me laugh..
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:42 pm

The weather seems to be Melbourneising :evil: nicely:

Friday 2 March
Summary Min 17 Max 23
A little rain. Cloudy. Patchy rain. Winds east to southeasterly averaging up to 40 km/h becoming easterly up to 35 km/h by early evening.

Saturday 3 March
Summary Min 17 Max 25
Rain developing.Cloudy. Rain at times. Winds northeasterly averaging up to 45 km/h.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:09 am

Vault-emort wrote:So what did people think about last night's 7.30 Report 'expose' of AA selection? Didn't think there was anything much in it myself, although a couple of Hollingsworth's answers made me laugh..


I just watched it now - hardly an exemplar of investigative reporting :roll:

Anyway, sometimes I agree with Bideau, sometimes I don't but he is right in saying that you should send as many people as you can. What this does is give hope to those athletes that take some time to mature. A few extra years in the sport can make all the difference and there are plenty of Australian medal winners who were not underage superstars.

This obsessive focus on picking winners from U-18 has destroyed the sport by belittling the "club men", the honest toilers who provided a range of performance standards that demonstrated a path from school athlete to club champion to State champion to National champion to Olympic athlete.

If "that old no talent bastard" can do that, youthful arrogance can see and realise that they can do better. Once they achieve that, they can set their sights on the next level and so on. If you only have school standard athletes and hand picked A qualifiers and nothing in between, you will have a hollowed out excuse for a sport - which we have.

Sure there will occasionally be, as Gary Bourne stated, 4 guys chasing three spots in the LJ but this is not down to AA setting high standards, this is a random peak which will be followed by a trough as has happened in all events over time. If the system was causing this, then it would be happening across the board wouldn't it?

In fact, the substantial contribution he makes is due to the very thing I described above - he has always had a range of athletes in his squad and provided them with excellent coaching generating a conveyor belt carrying them all forward to the limit of their genetic potential.

The question is, if Gary or Gus Puopolo went under the proverbial bus tomorrow, would the AA "system" produce an equivalent number of jumpers and throwers in 5 years? I think not.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:53 am

Yes, I agree with most of your points.

I wish the reporter asking Hollingsworth questions was wired up with an ear-piece so that others could have directed his questions a bit...

It might have gone something like this:

A) I've been in the position before - where the phone goes after Australia doesn't do well at championships.
Q) Who rings you Eric? What exactly do they say? and Do they ever ring you and ask why we don't have anyone near the qualification standard in <pick an event>?

Q) Why not send a women's four x 100 to the Commonwealth Games?
A) Because they didn't qualify.
Q) Well there aren't actually any qualification standards for Commonwealth relay teams
A) Err well..it's not a development event. The Commonwealth Games is part of the cycle of one of the major championships. You don't use things like the Olympic Games and the World Championship just to develop people.
Q) I wasn't talking about Olympics or WC - I said CG. Don't you think it's significant, Eric, that three of our highest profile track gold medallists (Pearson, Freeman, Lewis) in recent years all started their senior international careers as relay runners?
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:44 am

Weather trending from very bad to merely mediocre, thus mirroring Australian sprint stocks...

Friday 2 March
Min 16 Max 22
Mostly dry. Chance of any rain: 30%
Rainfall amount: 0 to 1 mm
Cloudy. Isolated showers about but dry for most of the day. Winds east to southeasterly averaging up to 45 km/h becoming easterly up to 30 km/h later in the evening.

Saturday 3 March
Min 16 Max 21
Rain at times. Cloudy. Areas of rain. Winds northeasterly averaging up to 45 km/h.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:33 am

Saw the 7:30 piece, clearly something unsaid going on. The criticisms were unexplained, the editing weird, and the story unsubstantiated. It was weird to me, if an athlete is good enough they go, so I missed what th gripe was in that piece.

After 5 weeks of summer in Perth and Sydney, Melbourne reminds me of 2000 Games with this winter weather. Cold, windy, wet. Booooooo! Not how I wanted to end this trip.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:58 am

Smoke wrote:Saw the 7:30 piece, clearly something unsaid going on. The criticisms were unexplained, the editing weird, and the story unsubstantiated. It was weird to me, if an athlete is good enough they go, so I missed what th gripe was in that piece.

After 5 weeks of summer in Perth and Sydney, Melbourne reminds me of 2000 Games with this winter weather. Cold, windy, wet. Booooooo! Not how I wanted to end this trip.


Smoke, you just have to remember that there is nothing between Melbourne and Antarctica, so that wild, cold, polar weather can make its way north without any trouble, even in summer. I'm heading down to Melbourne tomorrow because the weather is better than Canberra (true story!), so I'll buy you a beer if I see you. Just look around the crowd and when you see somebody you just don't like the look of, smack him in the back of the head - that will be me. Guaranteed. Would I lie to you? :D
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:05 am

Lol I will be the smart looking guy with Steffensen.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:33 pm

Athleticsimaging wrote:when you see somebody you just don't like the look of, that will be me.
So you are half the population of Canberra? :twisted:

Speaking of Canberra, shame the trials weren't held there last weekend - perfect conditions for just about every event. :cry:

Smoke wrote:Lol I will be the smart looking guy with Steffensen.

It's true then - no smoke without fire! ;)
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:02 pm

Well, while waiting for a cancelled flight that was revived and then cancelled and then revived again only to be finally cancelled, I thought I'd throw out some random thoughts from the Qantas club.

It will be interesting to see the reaction if Steffenson does win in sub-45.30 (third Olympics!) and how many will be claiming they always supported him over the last few years...... The win seems to be on the cards with nobody else showing much of anything this season but the time will be hard given the windy weather.

The new track layout might finally give Pearson a tailwind and a mid-22 200m but could easily be well over the limit. Same for the 100.

Middle distance for men will be interesting to see how Risely can hang with the Kenyans in the 800 and 1500 and to see what level Gregson is at after his recent injury. Women's middle distance can't match that but maybe Tamsyn will be inspired enough to cut 2 seconds off her last time...

The real star of the weekend could be Henry Frayne if the track is dry for his triple jump. With a big LJ PB last week, he could be pushing up into mid-17s and Australian record territory in the TJ.

The throws? Not looking good. Men's sprints and hurdles? The same except for 400m. PV? It's back to the 70's without the Big Ranga. The women should have some interest if the weather doesn't ruin.

Oops, have to run, my 6:40am flight is now leaving at 10:15
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:52 pm

BJ was the only real positive surprise out of D1, with the horrendous weather (even though it was better than some expected..). Frayne did well of course, but that was pretty much expected. Shame it sounds like he may drop the TJ at World Indoors - would have been interesting to see him double (and he does have medal chances in both events despite no experience on the boards).

Sprints were a waste of time into those headwinds. Every meet in Australia should be prepared to use the back straight for dashes. Or we need to develop rotating tracks that can be spun around to match Mother Nature's moods..

The fields in some events were embarrassing really. Hard to see Melbourne's 'meet rating' going anywhere but down in 2012.

Looking forward to Men's 800, 5k, LJ, DIS and the 400s tonight and hoping Kerrie Perkins, Zoe Buckman and Jarrod Bannister can perform well. PV could be a test for the girls if rain and wind predictions prove correct. Was hoping Vicki Parnov might get back to PB/OQ form, but she might have to do this back in Perth.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:43 pm

Tim Driesen, had a great night in the hammer with a new PB of 70.76, improving on his earlier season PB of 68.99 at the Briggs Athletics Classic in Hobart and moving him into equal 11th on the Australian all-time list. Not only a PB but his first, second, 4th and 5th throws were also over his previous best.

Series 69.04m 70.76m FOUL 67.70m 69.51m 69.63m

Australians over 70m
79.29 Stuart Rendell 06 Jul 02
77.58 Sean Carlin Adelaide 11 Feb 94
75.90 Peter Farmer 14 Aug 79
74.58 Joe Quigley 10 Mar 87
74.58 Peter Baxevanis 12 Feb 92
73.80 Hans Lotz 25 Apr 83
72.12 Dave Huxley 7 Aug 88
71.56 Aaron Fish 16 Mar 02
71.05 Simon Wardhaugh 18 Sep 10
70.94 Phil Spivey 5 Jul 86
70.76 Paul Carlin 11 Feb 95
70.76 Tim Driesen 2 Mar 12

I spent most of the night on the back straight in the new grandstand watching the TJ. The winds were all over the place and were changing direction as well as speed. I thought the competition was going to be a bust but Frayne built some momentum through the rounds and the crowd built up over time and were rewarded with his heroics in the last couple of rounds. He now moves into third place on the all-time list, just ahead of Ian Campbell.

17.46 +1.7 Ken Lorraway 7 Aug 82
17.32 +1.7 Andrew Murphy 25 Aug 99
17.23 +.06 Henry Frayne 2 Mar 12
17.09 +0.5 Ian Campbell 17 Jan 80
17.02A+2.0 Phil May 17 Oct 68


While a great competition to watch the venue layout caused problems. The concrete concourse between the grandstand was great for people circulating, but it but invited people to stand against the low fence blocking the view of those in the first half dozen rows. They also stood in front of the electronic distance board blocking about half the distances from being seen from my seat - lucky there were 23 fouls to stop it being annoying :evil: .

Next time AA, enforce a no stand zone except for a coaches area. Also the new grandstand has no provision for a camera stand for the TV, so the guy was standing next to the pit blocking that little bit extra of the view. I thought this was a world class venue for the 21st century.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:09 pm

Tremendous headwinds last night. Cold weather. At noon now, cold, rain, but wind has died down lol. No covering for warm up! Definitely should've had this West, or North. Smh
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:26 pm

I didn't pay much attention to the M HJ except for when the ground announcer said it was "at a very exciting stage"......at a height of 2.15....and then had a sudden loss of interest. Liam Zamel-Paez (PB 2.26) ended up winning with 2.18 in pretty difficult conditions and it might have been exciting for spectators if they could follow what was going on.

A height board continuously viewable from the back straight? Of course not! Why would people want to know shit like that? When put to AA in a possibly imagined segment of the 7:30 report, they responded, "Demanding fucking freaks, why do they keep complaining about trivial shit like being able to follow a competition they paid for when there is a most-excellently-high-performance-managed, possibly-medal-target-achieving sport in front of them. :roll: "

The men's PV was also on the back straight and "benefited" from the same winds as the TJers did. While not expecting much in the absence of the Big Ranga ® the non-international standard heights were more encouraging than expected with 20 year Jackson Bews winning in a jump off from 17 year old Brodie Cross(PB 5.05 in 2011).

Both cleared 5.00 in the main competition, so if they can handle difficult conditions they should be able to move up over 5.50 in a few more years. I think Jackson set a PB as I could only find a 4.90 but AA didn't mention a PB in their roundup and you would think that setting a PB in those conditions would be newsworthy but maybe I'm old fashioned, or wrong. (I might do some more checking later)

Third place, and ahead of specialist pole vaulters, was decathlete Stephen Cain with 4.85m, not far off his best of 5.00 set last year in the vaulter's paradise, otherwise known as Perth. Again, well done in difficult conditions.

The men's 110H had a false start and Mitch Tysoe was DQd. The race was well won by the improving Siddhanth Thingalaya of India with daylight second. The only thing is, you see, that Thingalaya didn't really win the race because they disqualified the wrong guy - it should have been John Burstow. How embarrassment :oops:

My prediction for the rerun tonight, Thingalaya first, daylight second, low standard performance third.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:05 pm

W TJ - Australia will have an A qualifier at some stage before 2150 but it won't this year. Commenting on a competition without the delightful Emma Knights seems somehow pointless and degrading, so I will say nothing further than to point out a factoid.

Ellen Pettitt, who set her HJ PB of 1.91 way back in 2006 when she was 20 has now turned to TJ. With a biiiig hop, tiny step and awkwardly landed jump, she managed 12.71m +3.0, so maybe she will make some decent distance with better technique.

WJT - Oh dear.

W5000 - At one stage this seemed as though Georgie Clarke had a chance of an A qualifier but the splits drifted and she dropped out with about one k to go after Emily Brichachek moved past her. Brickachek kept going and ended up winning the race in some time that is not available on AA's web server or mentioned in their roundup, so that's all that I have to say about that.

WSP - Kim Mulhall wins with 15.57m which seems to be better than her 2009 PB of 15.17 in AA's all-time list but this wasn't mentioned in their roundup, so maybe I'm wrong, or it just doesn't matter. If it was a PB, then congratulations for doing it in difficult conditions. But then, she is a Melbourne girl, so maybe she didn't notice.
Series: 14.57m 15.57m 15.08m FOUL 15.06m 14.82m

Old King Cole might be destroying our atmosphere, but Old Brendan Cole (32 this year) ran a really aggressive race and carried his speed all the way to the line in an A qualifier of 49.39 just behind his 2009 PB of 49.35. This was the performance of the night for me (despite the M TJ) as he ran like there was no headwind in the main straight.

Of note was the performance of injury prone (I think it is official now) Tristan Thomas who came second in a 50.23. If Cole can keep this sort of form and get good conditions in Europe later this year, he should be able to hit the high 48s.

Australians under 49.50 (including Brendan Cole's coach Matt Beckenham)
48.28 Rohan Robinson 31 Jul 96
48.68 Tristan Thomas 9 May 09
48.87 Zid Abou Hamed 20 Feb 99
49.08A Blair Young 18 Mar 00
49.26 Simon Hollingsworth 29 Feb 96
49.32 Bruce Field 29 Jan 74
49.35 Brendan Cole 9 May 09
49.37 Garry Brown 7 Oct 82
49.47 Matt Beckenham 20 Feb 99
49.49 Nick Ward 13 Mar 94
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:36 pm

W 800 Tamsyn does her thing but slightly slower. Will she get an A this year? It seems unlikely but you never now. Nothing more to say as I've said it many times before.

M 1500 was an interesting race on paper but far more interesting thing in reality. Its not often you see a world and Olympic champion blow up when racing second tier athletes. Still the reason he had problems today will also be why he he will majestically sweep past his conquerors later in the year. The superficial Australian favourite was Riseley and for most of the race he looked like he would deliver but his only change of gear in the last 150 was from 5th down to 3rd as Australian record holder Ryan Gregson, USAnian Torrence and Kiwi Willis left him in their wake.

In an Unreported Drama after the race, Torrence was apparently repeatedly punched in the kidneys by an unknown assailant who reportedly yelled "I want my @$%ing new pair of shoes and singlet!" during the vicious attack. :twisted:

The night wisely finished up with the final of the W 100 because when Sally is finished, so is the meet. The time was unspectacular due to the cold and wind but the decisive margin of victory shows just how far she is ahead of the rest.

There's not much more to say except that, if I were in charge of the fashion police, I would make it compulsory for wannabe short shorts wearers to stand just behind the start of the 100m and be assessed against the hard won legs of these 100m ladies before being allowed to purchase said item. There would be a lot fewer sloppy messes to be seen on the streets and risk of my tasty lunch being disgorged.

On to today and the rain.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby dunedine » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:52 am

Sally Pearson swept to 12.50 secs in the hurdles a little earlier on, looks like Yordanka Donkova's WR will come under a heavy barrage this season!
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:23 am

dunedine wrote:Sally Pearson swept to 12.50 secs in the hurdles a little earlier on, looks like Yordanka Donkova's WR will come under a heavy barrage this season!

yeah ,Sally Pearson ran 12.49s with +0.8m/s,fabulous work.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby t_monk » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:19 am

nianchengyu wrote:
dunedine wrote:Sally Pearson swept to 12.50 secs in the hurdles a little earlier on, looks like Yordanka Donkova's WR will come under a heavy barrage this season!

yeah ,Sally Pearson ran 12.49s with +0.8m/s,fabulous work.


This girl is in scary form.... 0_o
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:23 pm

El Toro wrote:In an Unreported Drama after the race, Torrence was apparently repeatedly punched in the kidneys by an unknown assailant who reportedly yelled "I want my @$%ing new pair of shoes and singlet!" during the vicious attack. :twisted:

Wasn't me. I have an alibi. I was..err..standing in the concourse wearing my short shorts and blocking someone's view...
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:27 pm

dunedine wrote:Sally Pearson swept to 12.50 secs in the hurdles a little earlier on, looks like Yordanka Donkova's WR will come under a heavy barrage this season!

Looks like Susanna Kallur's WR has another week on the record books..
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Speedster » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:48 pm

Amazing time, I'm sure her coach will be analysing her race to see how close she is to the 60mh WR. Looking at the lists for this year, barring disaster, she's a lock for the gold. US Champ Castlin is likely to be her main challenger.

In some ways her performance in the flat 60m will be more interesting, if she chooses to run it.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby jlt » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:44 pm

Speedster wrote:In some ways her performance in the flat 60m will be more interesting, if she chooses to run it.

Her husband told me she's only running 60mH in Istanbul....
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:06 pm

Well, Day 2 was moist but generally better conditions for the tracksters than Day 1 while the field eventers had a bit of a hard time. Before I went into the stadium, I walked around to the warmup area to watch the paid of the discus throwers warming up in the wet but they had already marshalled, so I watched Sally Pearson warming up instead.

I normally manage to happen across her coach to get a time prediction beforehand but not this time as they are working, so I stand a few metres away and watch her superiority in all respects; focus, listening, drills, speed, everything. It might seem heresy now that she has run 12.28 but she is in no way the best physical talent I have seen in Australia but she certainly has the best attitude and commitment and a coaching environment that has an equal commitment to constant improvement. There's 10x more talent than achievers and she is definitely one of the achievers.

I spent most of my time on the back straight having my view blocked due to AA's failure to take my advice on the No Standing rule at the fenceline as well as the delightful addition of magical umbrellas into the mix. Now I say magical because apparently they take up no space around them and are invisible to others :twisted: I'm with gh on this, ban the f$%^ers, cause this ain't interclub with 10 men and a dog.

Due to the aforementioned and antiquated signage at the WPV I spent a confused first half of the program trying to follow the competition in PV, DT, M LJ and W HJ through random glimpses of distance/height boards and random announcements over the PA. I could better follow the competition by reading the results this morning than I could by being there right near the competition. If that is the case, why bother paying the money and going through the hassle of attending in real life?

The PV was interesting as it was the first time that I had seen the two Parnov's in the same comp. They both, on occasion achieved massive height but consistency in penetration was the problem, esp for Vicky. The conditions weren't that bad compared to the men's the previous night but everybody seemed to have problems by none more so than Boyd who lost on countback to Liz at 4.45 after both failed at 4.55, which was also the meet record set by Emma George way back in 1997. That Boyd failed didn't surprise me - she is no Sally let alone a medal prospect in London.

100H happened on the other side of the track but the time did not surprise me as it did Sally. After watching her warm up and seeing a reply of the Sydney 12.66 the night before, I expected something around 12.50 and got it. Did anybody else run in that event? If they did I didn't notice them.

Men's LJ got the crowd excited but no A qualifiers. Maybe the conditions were too good for them?

W LJ was the last event on the back straight and the winds had picked up by then. Kerrie Perkins looked consistently fast on the runway even when she hit her best and winning jump of 6.41 into a 2.4 headwind.

Boden looked two levels above the rest but did not get quite replicate training partner, Brendand Cole's efforts from the previous night.

W1500 was a great race to the wire with Kaila McNight catching Zoe Buckman right on the line to win by a 10th.

Men's 400 and Solomon failed to overtake eveybody in the straight, with John Steffensen staying strong and in control. His post victory shirt change didn't get much reaction from the crowd and maybe wouldn't even if he ran 2 seconds faster. Well smoke deserved a beer but didn't get one. Why? Well look what he did to Steffenson's hair the last time he tippled :lol:

The the concluding event, the men's 5000, brought the reappearance of rain, or as I like to think of it, the tears of a baby Jesus poked in the eye by a friggin trackside umbrella. The rain increased in intensity proportionate to the race itself as eventually Mottram and Birmingham, the usurper, battled it out by themselves over the last mile. Mottram proved his re-emergence with a turn of speed unknown to Birmingham's legs and cleared away, saluting the crowd and celebrating down the main straight. Post finish, there was enough enthusiasm from him and the crowd to support a victory lap with regular time out for hugs. A great way to finish the night. The time? Didn't matter.

So, was it worth paying for a trip to a less than world class venue in a compromised location with so many fields with limited or sadly, no depth at all while needing to seek out the internets after the fact to understand what happened? Probably not. Would I do it again? Only if there's a 12.1x 100H on the cards.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby jlt » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:49 pm

What an incredibly negative piece El Toro. Why the snipping comments about Alana Boyd and men's LJ? I think indeed you should save your time and your money (if you paid) and stay away next year. I doubt anyone will miss you, am sure your negativity (did you complain about umbrellas all night?) is a downside for anyone sitting near you. For what it's worth I don't mind the venue and, despite the weather, enjoyed the two days. And I followed results on the large electronic scoreboard on the first turn.

Yours in track & field,
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:08 pm

Day 2 was wet but far better and warmer than day 1. Jit and Bull I'm disappointed you didn't come speak, I watched the hole race from the backstretch.
What's wrong with the haircut?! We like it. Taking the Aussies a few minutes to adjust though lol
Sally is far from an achiever, she's very talented, one of the fastest hurdlers in the world and it shows.
love how John handled these three races and won. Now onto the meat of the season!
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:47 pm

jlt wrote:What an incredibly negative piece El Toro. Why the snipping comments about Alana Boyd and men's LJ? I think indeed you should save your time and your money (if you paid) and stay away next year. I doubt anyone will miss you, am sure your negativity (did you complain about umbrellas all night?) is a downside for anyone sitting near you. For what it's worth I don't mind the venue and, despite the weather, enjoyed the two days. And I followed results on the large electronic scoreboard on the first turn.

Yours in track & field,
jlt


Hi, jlt. I didn't have time to rework the piece like I usually do because I had to get out to the airport, so I'm sorry that you didn't like the writing. BUT the comments about the venue.organisation comes from my frustration where the administrators cry about the declining crowds (this new venue would have been packed out with crowds from even 10 years ago) yet don't seem prepared to work on constantly improving the experience for spectators.

While the video scoreboard was excellent for final results it was no use for following field events during the competition. This is where my interest usually lies, so we may have different views because of this. If the competition could be followed live on the internet as you can at WC and OG, this would be OK as well, but this doesn't happen either.

I wasn't sitting around complaining so I didn't spoil anybodies day but I certainly did hear other people complaining about the same things. Thanks for commenting anyway, most people don't bother. :D
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:02 pm

Smoke wrote:..What's wrong with the haircut?! We like it. ........Sally is far from an achiever, she's very talented, one of the fastest hurdlers in the world and it shows.
love how John handled these three races and won. Now onto the meat of the season!


Smoke, the haircut comment was just a bit of bullshitting, so don't take that seriously. :lol:

I think you got the wrong end of the stick about Sally. Sure she is talented but I've detected a certain view in articles about her lately that seem to imply this is the primary reason she is successful. My view is that what makes her different from equally talented athletes is the rigour of her training and coaching approach.

Talent without achievement is nothing and I've seen plenty of it wasted, so calling her an achiever is not a slight but a compliment, at least from my point of view. Sorry if it seems the opposite - my writing is upsetting everybody today. :(

I agree with you about John. It was good to see him do so well. I've always supported him and never understood why so many seem to dislike him despite his achievements. Roll on those 44s!

As for missing a catchup, I'll PM you and jlt later about that.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby jlt » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:26 pm

I guess I'm more a track guy El Toro but I like to follow good field event competitions; you're right of course about the lack of updates re progress (after say three jumps)......that's a standard issue/problem in our sport. They did of course many announcements such as "Frayne's jump of 8.00 the first 8m jump of competition, it takes him into the lead" etc.

Our sport so reliant on the conditions, given a warm, still night (as we had the week before eve day) it could/would have been so much better and I've no doubt Cole runs 48-high, Sally goes under 23, Stephenson runs 45-low and Frayne does 8.25 (not to mention Asbel running 3:32 and Rudisha 1:43...) etc. The big thing we missed yesterday was not having a fit and in form Mitchell jumping against Frayne; could have been special.

I heard pretty dire comments about the track/facility etc but apart from the wind (seemingly it is quite exposed) is it really so bad? I quite like it.....
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:41 pm

jlt, the treatment of field events only annoys me so much because the technology is available to provide live results.

The data is trivial and now mobile internet access is trivial as well, so it should be easy to work with web updates, or better, sit there with a smart phone app that beeps a different sound when the different athletes you have marked to watch are ready to jump/throw then see results, change in place between rounds, call up their stats etc It's a nice dream....

I agree with you about the possible improvements in performance with better weather - at least there wasn't hail like there was one year :shock:

I think a lot of negativity about the track from Melbournians is due to most of them believing they should still be at Olympic Park. The decision to kick them out for football was bad enough but was made worse with some of the early government proposals which included lights that would not have been TV standard. I'm not sure if the back straight grandstand was going to be as big as it is now or if it was planned at all.

So people are a bit cynical about the government boasting about a "world class facility" when they spent as little as possible to get rid of the sport from it historic location and to shut people up.

Whether the track is compromised will depend on your event and preferences but the orientation was set because of the existing football grandstand and general lack of space due to the Grand Prix requirements. It might have been better East-West for cross winds on the straights with PV inside the curve to still allow tail winds for safer jumping.

Despite all that history, it is bright and shiny and new and you can walk all the way around without complicated manouvres, so that's good. :lol:
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:40 am

El Toro wrote:jlt, the treatment of field events only annoys me so much because the technology is available to provide live results.

Live results didn't work at all during D1... perhaps AA were giving virtual spectators the same results experience that those at the track got.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:16 pm

Revised Olympic squad after the trials:

Youcef Abdi (NSW, 3000m Steeplechase)
Luke Adams (NSW, 50km walk)
Jarrod Bannister (Vic, javelin)
Collis Birmingham (Vic, 5000m)
Lauren Boden (ACT, 400m hurdles)
Alana Boyd (WA, pole vault)
Zoe Buckman (Vic, 1500m)
Brendan Cole (ACT, 400m Hurdles)
Nathan Deakes (ACT, 50km walk)
Henry Frayne (Qld, long jump, triple jump)
Benn Harradine (Vic, discus)
Regan Lamble (ACT, 20km walk)
Beki Lee (NSW, 20km walk)
Kaila McKnight (Vic, 1500m)
Kim Mickle (WA, javelin)
Craig Mottram (VIC, 5000m)
Liz Parnov (WA, pole vault)
Sally Pearson (Qld, 100m hurdles)
Jeff Riseley (VIC, 800m)
Dani Samuels (NSW, discus)
Ben St Lawrence (NSW, 10,000m)
Claire Tallent (VIC, 20km walk)
Jared Tallent (Vic, 20km walk, 50km walk)
Mitchell Watt (Qld, long jump)
Julian Wruck (Vic, discus)
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