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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby jackbean » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:42 pm

Vault-emort wrote:The mission objective of AA should be to ensure maximum representation in all events at all international competitions.


Yeah, because in this global economy everyone has money to splash around. And send everyone! No standards to be an Olympian. Just run third at nationals in a weak athletics nation 7 seconds off the pace, and off you go. Please. :roll:
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby typpo » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:25 pm

I agree with Vault-emort - AA should be trying to pick the biggest squad possible. After all, it's the biggest meet in four years and since we're all paying for it in one way or another, we may as well have a decent athlete or two to cheer on. To AA's credit, I believe they've actually tried to do this. I just think they made the wrong call on LaCaze and were subsequently forced into an embarrassing backdown. I'm comfortable with the team they've picked apart from that and I'm just as comfortable with the non-selection of borderline athletes like Lapierre, Manou, Ross (in the individual 100 that is) without an A. On current form, LaCaze is at least capable of making the semis in London, irrespective of how she ran at nationals a couple of months ago.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:30 pm

jackbean wrote:No standards to be an Olympian. Just run third at nationals in a weak athletics nation 7 seconds off the pace, and off you go. Please. :roll:

Well, that's a fair jump....

Maximum Representation means A qualifiers (3 if possible) in each event and - if we do not have an A - then B standards can still be considered. Nothing at all about sending athletes who have not achieved the same international standards as every other entrant . :roll:
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:09 pm

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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby typpo » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:17 pm

AA has now extended the qualification window from June 22 to July 7
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:10 pm

From the AA site, here is the list of 'shadow' athletes who have nominated for an OG spot, subject to an 'A' qualifier before the cut-off date.

I know 'hope springs eternal' but some of these names have got to be kidding - I mean plenty of them haven't been that close to a B...

Alex Beck
Scott Crowe
Robert Crowther
Matt Davies
Anthony Di Quinzio
Greg Eyears
Liam Gander
Jake Hammond
Fabrice Lapierre
Jackson Mallory
Matthew Outzen
Ian Rayson
Lachlan Renshaw
Aaron Rouge-Serret
Alexander Rowe
Sean Wroe

Crystal Attenborough
Monica Brennan
Lisa Corrigan
Jody Henry
Tanya Holliday
Tamsyn Manou
Victoria Mitchell
Larissa Pasternatsky
Kerrie Perkins
Caitlin Pincott
Anneliese Rubie
Caitlin Sargent
Theodora Spathis
Brooke Stratton
Lara Tamsett
Laura Whaler
Ashleigh Whittaker
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:38 pm

Why isn't Vault-emort among the names? 8-)
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:33 am

With my PB of something like 11.11m for the triple at age 12, I was tempted to apply for the 4xtotally ridiculous relay

hang on - thanks 2 a social media campaign, I'm IN! :P
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby norunner » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:08 am

If any Aussies are interested: There is a big junior meeting today in Mannheim / Germany with many australian juniors (and some seniors) competing and there is even a livestream with liveresults here: http://www.leichtathletik.tv/2012/Sonst ... la12/1.htm .
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:16 am

And very importantly a few of the seniors are in Nivelle for a meet (Pearson, Breen, Boden, Manou, Renshaw...):

http://www.eap-circuit.org/article.php3?id_article=760
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:28 am

Aussies doing well so far in Mannheim.

Kim Mickle JAV 64.12m PB
Nick Hough 110H 13.38 NJR (in heat)
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:08 pm

From Nivelle:
W100m
1.Pearson 11.20 (-1.2)
2.Breen 11.55

w800m
1. Manou 2.03.65

w100mH
1.Pearson 12.55

w400mH
1. Boden 57.07

M400m
3. Offereins 46.59

M800
2. Renshaw 1.46.45

m3000
1. Batt 7.59.92

M400mH
1. Cole 50.60
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Speedster » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:17 pm

AS wrote:From Nivelle:
W100m
1.Pearson 11.20 (-1.2)
2.Breen 11.55


Sally's run corrects to 11.11, which would break MGT's 11.12A AR. I hope she gets a chance to run another 10m soon to see if she can get. This makes her the fastest sprint hurdler in the world, ahead of Phylicia George who has run 11.25 this year.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:51 am

Speedster wrote:Sally's run corrects to 11.11, which would break MGT's 11.12A AR.


I think the way her luck is going in the 100m, she'll finish her career with a PB of 11.13 -10.5m/s :?
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby t_monk » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:26 am

Athleticsimaging wrote:
Speedster wrote:Sally's run corrects to 11.11, which would break MGT's 11.12A AR.


I think the way her luck is going in the 100m, she'll finish her career with a PB of 11.13 -10.5m/s :?


Sad part.... I agree >_<
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Speedster » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:11 am

t_monk wrote:
Athleticsimaging wrote:
Speedster wrote:Sally's run corrects to 11.11, which would break MGT's 11.12A AR.


I think the way her luck is going in the 100m, she'll finish her career with a PB of 11.13 -10.5m/s :?


Sad part.... I agree >_<


11.13 would be a low-alt AR! But I hope that the wind gods allow Sally a chance to break it fair and square one day. Maybe one season she will focus on the sprints exclusively and get into the 10s!
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:28 pm

Steve Hooker's city-square comp in Köln yesterday wasn't anything flash. Conditions didn't appear to be great (and the comp was won at only 5.40m) but still..

Hooker 5.00 xxo 5.20 xxx

Mitch Watt pulled out of LJ due to the weather.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:36 pm

Speedster wrote:11.13 would be a low-alt AR!

Well she does hold the low-alt AR already!

PROGRESSION
11.65 Marjorie Jackson (Nelson) 13 Sep 31 1f Helsinki 22 Jul 52
11.58 Marilyn Black 20 May 44 1h6 Tokyo 14 Oct 64
11.4e Marilyn Black (Vassella) 20 May 44 1h2 Tokyo 15 Oct 64
11.23 Raelene Boyle 24 Jun 51 2f München 02 Sep 72
11.22 Raelene Boyle 24 Jun 51 3s2 Montreal 25 Jul 76
11.19 Kerry Johnson 23 Oct 63 1s2 Auckland 28 Jan 90
11.15 Melinda Gainsford (Taylor) 01 Oct 71 2f Nrnberg 15 Jun 95
11.14 Sally McLellan (Pearson) 19 Sep 86 1h3 Osaka 26 Aug 07
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Speedster » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:16 pm

Vault-emort wrote:
Speedster wrote:11.13 would be a low-alt AR!

Well she does hold the low-alt AR already!

PROGRESSION
11.65 Marjorie Jackson (Nelson) 13 Sep 31 1f Helsinki 22 Jul 52
11.58 Marilyn Black 20 May 44 1h6 Tokyo 14 Oct 64
11.4e Marilyn Black (Vassella) 20 May 44 1h2 Tokyo 15 Oct 64
11.23 Raelene Boyle 24 Jun 51 2f München 02 Sep 72
11.22 Raelene Boyle 24 Jun 51 3s2 Montreal 25 Jul 76
11.19 Kerry Johnson 23 Oct 63 1s2 Auckland 28 Jan 90
11.15 Melinda Gainsford (Taylor) 01 Oct 71 2f Nrnberg 15 Jun 95
11.14 Sally McLellan (Pearson) 19 Sep 86 1h3 Osaka 26 Aug 07


I thought MGT had a 11.14 from 94 as well?
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:02 am

Speedster wrote:I thought MGT had a 11.14 from 94 as well?

Was it windy maybe? I thought her second best non-altitude time was 11.16 from '97
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:30 am

Speedster wrote:I thought MGT had a 11.14 from 94 as well?


94 season:

11.12 +1.9 Sestriere 31 Jul
11.25 -0.2 Melbourne 24 Feb
11.28 +1.2 Victoria 23 Aug
11.29 +0.2 Victoria 22 Aug
11.31 -0.2 Victoria 23 Aug
11.38 -0.9 Hobart 21 Feb
11.39 0.0 Monte Carlo 2 Aug
11.41 +0.3 Portland 6 Aug
11.41 +0.3 Prince George 13 Aug
11.44 -1.1 Sydney 30 Jan
11.45 +1.1 Brisbane 5 Feb
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby mal » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:29 am

jackbean wrote:
Vault-emort wrote:The mission objective of AA should be to ensure maximum representation in all events at all international competitions.


Yeah, because in this global economy everyone has money to splash around. And send everyone! No standards to be an Olympian. Just run third at nationals in a weak athletics nation 7 seconds off the pace, and off you go. Please. :roll:


Not true ever.
I once ran third, had a qualifier and didn't go.
Its bad enough having the geography we do, and the out of season competition. Not everyone can go OS.
Australia has enough hurdles to overcome without making it even harder.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:44 am

mal wrote:Australia has enough hurdles to overcome without making it even harder.


That's true. I don't understand the compulsion to berate Australian athletes and exult in their exclusion from teams for failing to perform to a standard that no northern hemisphere athlete ever has to. Can you imagine the the whinging and bitching of Euro and USA athletes if every Olympics and WC was held in season for the southern hemisphere???
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:15 pm

Most of this is not breaking news, but shows there are still appeals happening in both men's relays. http://t.co/A4Ba5Jp8

Men’s 4x100m Relay **
Anthony Alozie, Tim Leathart, Andrew McCabe, Isaac Ntiamoah, Joshua Ross

Men’s 4x400m Relay **
Joel Milburn, Ben Offereins, Steven Solomon, John Steffensen

** Subject to the outcome of an ongoing appeal.

Probably why the Cole/Thomas names were removed from the 4x4 list (as they are individually qualified)?
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:26 pm

The pool of possible appellants is surely constrained to the following (from the 'shadow squad'):

Matt Davies (100m/200m)
Liam Gander (100m)
Jake Hammond (100m)
Aaron Rouge-Serret (100m/200m)
Alex Beck (400m)
Jackson Mallory (400m)
Alexander Rowe (400m)
Sean Wroe (400m)
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:53 pm

AS wrote:The pool of possible appellants is surely constrained to the following (from the 'shadow squad'):

Matt Davies (100m/200m)
Liam Gander (100m)
Jake Hammond (100m)
Aaron Rouge-Serret (100m/200m)
Alex Beck (400m)
Jackson Mallory (400m)
Alexander Rowe (400m)
Sean Wroe (400m)


They just announced it's apparently only Davies and Beck (to be judged tonight).
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby typpo » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:11 am

ABC TV are reporting the death of sprinter Daniel Batman in a car accident today in the Northern Territory. Sheesh...
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:19 am

:( One of our best-ever all-round sprint talents though probably never reached his full potential.

100m 10.19
200m 20.44
400m 45.04
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:48 am

Vault-emort wrote:..... probably never reached his full potential.....


Make that "probably" a definitely, Vault-emort. I've never seen an athlete have so many changes of focus and breaks in training and yet still have such a great all round standard.

I had dinner with him a few years back in the city of churches and found him quite a nice guy. My condolences to his ex and their children.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:45 am

Here's the story on Batman's passing:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-26/a ... section=nt

Sad news.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:54 pm

Well, it looks like the early announcement by AA also has implications for the women's relay team members who don't have individual spots.

Australia has been put out of the top 16 after the heats of the EC relay gave the following:
    - Germany a new SB of 43.03 to go with a 43.19 for a total of 86.22 amd moved from 9th to 8th place, swapping places with Netherlands.
    - Poland ran a 43.13 SB to go with a 43.77 to total 86.90 from 17th to 10th
    - Switzerland a new SB of 43.51 to go with a 43.81 for a total of 87.32 and moved from 18th to 15th

UK is also out of top 16 at 17th place and was DQ'd, so no improvement possible in the final. Australia one place behind at 18th.

Looks like Hayley Butler (NSW), Jessica Knox (NSW), and Charlotte Van Veenendaal (Vic) will have to hand those uniforms back.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:05 pm

El Toro wrote:Looks like Hayley Butler (NSW), Jessica Knox (NSW), and Charlotte Van Veenendaal (Vic) will have to hand those uniforms back.

Sad but inevitable on the times put up this year.

Possibly a shame that a 4x1 in Europe last week (say Pearson/Breen/Brennan/Gayen) couldn't have had a go at a 43.5.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:30 pm

A bit of Fairfax investigative output has been pointed AA and Eric Hollingsworth's way. Enjoy it before the journos all finish up their jobs.

Athletics chief fights back
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:04 am

I see our men's 4x1 WILL get to run in London. They just clocked 38.68 in Japan.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby El Toro » Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:04 am

Vault-emort wrote:I see our men's 4x1 WILL get to run in London. They just clocked 38.68 in Japan.


Yep, Ghana and South Africa failed to improve at African champs - both would have had to improve to knock Australia out.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:11 am

So.....for future World/OG qualifying (CG shouldn't need it - they should be auto selections every time), what should the AA's relay strategy be?

I'd prefer something like this:

A) International (eg NZL/OCE) races for 4x1/4x4 over a two-day meet - eg Hobart.

B) 1 (or 2) weeks after Melbourne GP/State Champs, a relay camp/meet is held in conjunction with ACT Championships. NZL/Asian teams are invited - perhaps 3 races at 4x1 and 2x4x4 over a two-day period. Olympic/WC team members are required to participate and hopefully best AUS B/U20/U18 squads also start.

C) If qualification still in doubt (ie not Top 10) then a Japan/Korea fallback strategy planned. Otherwise it's pre-departure relay training camps in GCO with a competitive o/s race or 2 prior to the international contest
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:31 am

Vault-emort wrote:So.....for future World/OG qualifying (CG shouldn't need it - they should be auto selections every time), what should the AA's relay strategy be?

I'd prefer something like this:

A) International (eg NZL/OCE) races for 4x1/4x4 over a two-day meet - eg Hobart.

B) 1 (or 2) weeks after Melbourne GP/State Champs, a relay camp/meet is held in conjunction with ACT Championships. NZL/Asian teams are invited - perhaps 3 races at 4x1 and 2x4x4 over a two-day period. Olympic/WC team members are required to participate and hopefully best AUS B/U20/U18 squads also start.

C) If qualification still in doubt (ie not Top 10) then a Japan/Korea fallback strategy planned. Otherwise it's pre-departure relay training camps in GCO with a competitive o/s race or 2 prior to the international contest


Hmmm, well planned, timely, integrated with a fallback strategy - NO AA JOB FOR YOU!


PS, vault-emort: the Canberra Times had an article and photo on Judy Wilson (Canty) re her '48 Olympic memories. Probably nothing new but I can transcribe it for you if you want. Let me know here.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:46 am

Vault-emort wrote:So.....for future World/OG qualifying (CG shouldn't need it - they should be auto selections every time), what should the AA's relay strategy be?

I'd prefer something like this:

A) International (eg NZL/OCE) races for 4x1/4x4 over a two-day meet - eg Hobart.

B) 1 (or 2) weeks after Melbourne GP/State Champs, a relay camp/meet is held in conjunction with ACT Championships. NZL/Asian teams are invited - perhaps 3 races at 4x1 and 2x4x4 over a two-day period. Olympic/WC team members are required to participate and hopefully best AUS B/U20/U18 squads also start.

C) If qualification still in doubt (ie not Top 10) then a Japan/Korea fallback strategy planned. Otherwise it's pre-departure relay training camps in GCO with a competitive o/s race or 2 prior to the international contest


Hmmm, well planned, timely, integrated with a fallback strategy - NO AA JOB FOR YOU!


PS, vault-emort: the Canberra Times had an article and photo on Judy Wilson (Canty) re her '48 Olympic memories. Probably nothing new but I can transcribe it for you if you want. Let me know here.

edit: Now online http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/l ... 212zm.html
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:31 pm

So our most vocal male athlete, John Steffensen has been occupying loads of column space with his latest bout of griping.

For those who missed it he's citing racism, bias and various other crimes against humanity because 19yo Steve Solomon has been granted a discretionary 400m slot for London (i.e. as a B-qualifier - one of only two in our team I believe).

What I'm stunned is not being discussed in the press is simply that Steff has no real case for the spot anyway, beyond winning the Trials race way back in March (which didn't guarantee him anything due to his lack of A).

Here's their respective top 5 times for 2012:

Steff:
45.61 Sydney 18 Feb
45.74 Melbourne 3 Mar
46.11 Perth 11 Feb
46.11 Villeneuve d'Ascq 9 Jun
46.45 Madrid 7 Jul

Solomon:
45.52 Barcelona 12 Jul
45.54 Melbourne 15 Apr
45.71 Mannheim 23 Jun
45.80 Brisbane 8 Jun
45.99 Sydney 16 Mar (after a 46.19 heat the day before)

Furthermore Solomon strung together these 3 runs over 3 days at WJ: 46.16, 46.07 & 45.52 PB (=3)

Solomon's PR of last week is faster than any time Steff's run this decade (since his 45.28-led 2009 season).

Not a single journo I've seen (or AA official) has made this clear.

I do feel for Steff, as I rate him our best male sprinter of the past decade, but he doesn't have a leg to stand on unless he knocks out a low-45 in the next week (and I've seen no mention of any race plans either).
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby mal » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:17 am

Steffenson is one of the great disappointments in Oz sprinting. He caught it for a while, then forgot what it was about.

I don't know if its injury or stupidity, but his times are pedestrian. Barely comparable to athletes 30 years ago at best, which is a far cry from his entree to the sport. Mitch would have eaten his lunch every time. So would a few others.
He should get a real job.
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