Junior Shot Put '13 [Bukowiecki 22.24 WYBi]


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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [Gill in Sweden video]

Postby Marlow » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:30 am

TeWaio wrote:I am no expert, but I reckon if right now you put Tom Walsh's technique on Jacko's body the WR would be toast!

I was gonna say if you put Jacko's speed/technique on Cantwell's body, you've got a WR!
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Fri May 24, 2013 4:46 am

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill May 24
Finally a good couple of weeks training! Been able to improve my 5 rep Bench by 22kg in 17 days to get a lifetime best for 5 :')

Link to Facebook photo of Gill's training log... notice (No Spotter) page heading
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby Marlow » Fri May 24, 2013 7:26 am

bushop wrote:Link to Facebook photo of Gill's training log... notice (No Spotter) page heading

bench press . . . doing the math here . . . carry the 1 . . .
5 reps of 400 pounds :shock:

up 50 pounds in 2.5 weeks? I MUST be missing something here.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby Dave » Fri May 24, 2013 12:48 pm

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:Link to Facebook photo of Gill's training log... notice (No Spotter) page heading

bench press . . . doing the math here . . . carry the 1 . . .
5 reps of 400 pounds :shock:

up 50 pounds in 2.5 weeks? I MUST be missing something here.


I hope he lives to age 20. This sort of weight without a spotter is dangerous.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Powell » Sun May 26, 2013 12:23 pm

Konrad Bukowiecki (97) did 22.33 with the 5k today in Warsaw. That puts him at no. 5 on the all-time youth list.
I'll be waiting to see whether he can confirm this sort of form soon, because frankly, the result looks so good as to raise doubts. His best until now was 20.54 indoors this year, and in today's competition, his second best put was 20.61...
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:28 pm

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill May 24
Finally a good couple of weeks training! Been able to improve my 5 rep Bench by 22kg in 17 days to get a lifetime best for 5 :')

Link to Facebook photo of Gill's training log... notice (No Spotter) page heading

In response:
Brian Oldfield via Facebook wrote:Brian Oldfield May 24
That's my best in 1972 training for a single, 465 front squat, 365 clean & jerk , 255 snatch; all in pounds of course. Had 72 foot throws in warm-ups (several) out side the stadium and again inside. Threw way too many of such throws.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby leoesharkey » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:17 am

WAS HE STILL GLIDING IN 72? AND WERE THOSE GLIDE FOULS? :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby norunner » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:18 am

Patrick Müller 21.68m (5kg) on thursday, broke Storls German U18 record by 28cm and yesterday Müller added another 20 cm to 21.88m.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby derby_county » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:10 am

Jacko will attempt WC qualifier on July 20, but may not go even if he gets it. The injured foot is still not 100%. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=10895248
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby bushop » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:03 am

Another film from Gill.
Winter Training
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby derby_county » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:51 am

derby_county wrote:Jacko will attempt WC qualifier on July 20, but may not go even if he gets it. The injured foot is still not 100%. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=10895248


Jacko changed his mind and threw 6k instead: 21.95m 21.80m 22.22m 22.12m 22.32m 22.28m

http://liveresults.qldathletics.org.au/SAF/index.htm

A PR by 0.01 but still 0.41 short of WJR.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby TeWaio » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:55 am

Jacko Gill throws a PB by 1cm in the 6kg shot at a meet in Brisbane, 22.32m.

Says he doesn't want to try to qualify for the WCs wih the 7.26kg, but wants to get Storl's WR of 22.73m before his time as a Junior is up.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby gh » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:18 am

He's lucky in that he'll have no trouble finding meets to throw in Down Under come the end of the year, so he's got lots of time left.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:34 pm

gh wrote:He's lucky in that he'll have no trouble finding meets to throw in Down Under come the end of the year, so he's got lots of time left.

But given Aaron's concerns expressed icon the recent Hasay/Erdmann situation will Aaron accept any performance that is not set in a genuine competition. In Jacko's case there can be no genuine competition in the junior shot because he is so far ahead of anyone else - and not just in NZ. :mrgreen:
Hopefully I will get to see it live if Jacko lands it out beyond 23m later this year.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby derby_county » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:02 pm

Jacko 22.54 today (August 4) in special SP comp in Auckland. 20cm to go, 149 days...
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:13 pm

derby_county wrote:Jacko 22.54 today (August 4) in special SP comp in Auckland. 20cm to go, 149 days...

Damnation. Didn't get to see it. Too busy writing up an immigration appeal. Weather in Auckland today was supposed to be pouring rain but it turned out cloudy but dry and reasonably pleasant temperature wise. Barring injury, Jacko is still looking good for 23m before he turns 19.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:12 am

Jacko's series was 22.46m, 22.54m, 22.13m, 22.32m, 21.66m, 22.33m.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2013

Postby bushop » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:58 am

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill August 8
Last Training with coach before he moves to Singapore. Commonwealth Games silver medalist and a very good coach. He taught me the rotational technique and was my first coach. In total he has coached me for nearly 5 years. Really hoping he moves back to New Zealand someday! bugger. Hopefully I can be one of the first throwers to get the -20 W.R coached by their mum :)
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby nztrackfan » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:04 pm

Reports on Twitter that Jacko Gill has thrown 23.00m today. Timely given that David Storl's record was broken a day after he won gold at the World Champs.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby derby_county » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:32 pm

nztrackfan wrote:Reports on Twitter that Jacko Gill has thrown 23.00m today. Timely given that David Storl's record was broken a day after he won gold at the World Champs.


That is correct. First throw, got progressively shorter after that. At least one of the warmup throws looked longer. I'm guessing the next target is to beat 20.65 with the senior... :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:10 pm

It should be a great competition in 2 years time with Storl v Whiting v Jacko. I would expect we will see the 20.65 mark go soon.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:58 pm

Excellent interview. I'm very impressed with Gill's attitude.
VIDEO: Full interview: Jacko Gill speaks after world junior shot put record throw
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby puddys12 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:38 am

What does Jacko 23.00 convert to Carter's 24.77. is it close ?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby derby_county » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:15 am

puddys12 wrote:What does Jacko 23.00 convert to Carter's 24.77. is it close ?


Converting by weight only (other factors are involved):
23.00 with 6kg = 25.35 with 12lb
24.77 with 12lb = 22.47 with 6kg
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:27 am

derby_county wrote:
puddys12 wrote:What does Jacko 23.00 convert to Carter's 24.77. is it close ?
Converting by weight only (other factors are involved):
75' 5½" with 6kg = 83' 2" with 12lb
81' 3¼" with 12lb = 73' 8¾" with 6kg

7' 8½" increase for 2 lbs? Seems a bit much?

*edit: changed 24.77m conversion
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby Marlow » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:39 am

bushop wrote:75' 5½" with 6kg = 83' 2" with 12lb

No way, Jose.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:46 am

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:75' 5½" with 6kg = 83' 2" with 12lb
No way, Jose.

Are my metric to english conversions inaccurate?
22.47m = 73' 8¾"
23.00m = 75' 5½"
24.77m = 81' 3¼"
25.35m = 83' 2"
According to <http://www.usatf.org/statistics/calculators/markConversions/>
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby gh » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:50 am

they are
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:01 am

gh wrote:they are

These are wrong?
23.00m = 75' 5½"
25.35m = 83' 2"
bushop wrote:75' 5½" with 6kg = 83' 2" with 12lb
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby Marlow » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:09 am

bushop wrote:These are wrong?
23.00m = 75' 5½"
25.35m = 83' 2"]

No, your supposition that the conversions are in any way 'real' are. You have used math models, which, as we tried to explain to Eldrick, have little application to the human body's biomechanical realities.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:34 am

bushop wrote:
derby_county wrote:
puddys12 wrote:What does Jacko 23.00 convert to Carter's 24.77. is it close ?
Converting by weight only (other factors are involved):
75' 5½" with 6kg = 83' 2" with 12lb
81' 3¼" with 12lb = 73' 8¾" with 6kg
7' 8½" increase for 2 lbs? Seems a bit much?
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bushop wrote:These are wrong?
23.00m = 75' 5½"
25.35m = 83' 2"]
No, your supposition that the conversions are in any way 'real' are. You have used math models, which, as we tried to explain to Eldrick, have little application to the human body's biomechanical realities.

I didn't make the comparisons or suppositions... in fact it seems as though you and Jose agree. I was quoting derby_county and mentioned that his comparisons seemed a bit much (see above post). I also converted the distances to English in my post.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby Marlow » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:21 am

bushop wrote:I was quoting derby_county and mentioned that his comparisons seemed a bit much (see above post). I also converted the distances to English in my post.

Oh . . . :oops: . . . my bad . . . I profusely apologize!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:23 pm

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:I was quoting derby_county and mentioned that his comparisons seemed a bit much (see above post). I also converted the distances to English in my post.
Oh . . . :oops: . . . my bad . . . I profusely apologize!

No worries... sadly I doubt Gill will ever throw the 5.44 kg (12 lb) ball and his supporters will point to the 75' 5½" with 6kg mark as superior to Carter's 81' 3¼".

The other record sitting out there is Carter's age-18 record with the 7.26kg ball of 20.65m (67 '9") on July 4, 1979.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby dbirds » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:40 pm

Are Gill and his coach familiar with Carter's record? As much as he loves breaking records, you'd think he might go for it!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby derby_county » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:02 pm

dbirds wrote:Are Gill and his coach familiar with Carter's record? As much as he loves breaking records, you'd think he might go for it!


Yes, they know all about Carter...and Albritton
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby derby_county » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:09 pm

bushop wrote:I didn't make the comparisons or suppositions... in fact it seems as though you and Jose agree. I was quoting derby_county and mentioned that his comparisons seemed a bit much (see above post). I also converted the distances to English in my post.


As I mentioned the conversion is for weight only, not as gh mentioned, other biomechanical factors. The conversions for distance using only the difference in weight are correct but this does not mean that actual throws will reflect this. This is obvious if you compare Jacko's 6k and 7.26 throws. 6 is slightly less than 5/6 the weight of the senior weight therefore you might expect the comparative distance to be 5/6, but 5/6 of 23.00 is 19.17 and Jacko has already done 20.38!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:16 pm

dbirds wrote:Are Gill and his coach familiar with Carter's record? As much as he loves breaking records, you'd think he might go for it!
derby_county wrote:Yes, they know all about Carter...and Albritton

But will Gill drop down to the 5.4kg ball or move up to the 7.26kg?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:19 pm

derby_county wrote:As I mentioned the conversion is for weight only, not as gh mentioned, other biomechanical factors.

IMO Gill is does well with light balls and he would throw well with the 12 lb ball. He has loads of quickness/ speed and does not horse the ball out there will massive strength levels.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby derby_county » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:25 pm

bushop wrote:But will Gill drop down to the 5.4kg ball or move up to the 7.26kg?


I doubt he will bother much with lighter weights from now on. He needs to get used to the senior weight to do well at the Commonwealth Games next year. He's lost most of this year so far with the injuries, I suppose if he hadn't been injured he might have tried the 12 at some point but probably too late now.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [WJR by Gill 75' 5½" 23m]

Postby Tuariki » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:32 pm

My guess is that Jacko's primary focus for the rest of this year, through to 19 December, will be to target 21.00m with the 7.26kg.
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