Junior Shot Put '13 [Bukowiecki 22.24 WYBi]


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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:07 pm

Tuariki wrote:The following link is for a feature story in today's NZ Herald on Jacko.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=10821062

It is a story that 26mi235 should read, given his snide unwarranted comments about NZ, Jacko and his family.


My comments about Jacko and his training 'stunts' are not snide and are not meant to be snide. I doubt I am alone in the opinion that some of what he does is not particularly smart and that some of the adults around him should be exercising better judgement with a strong-willed youth [my sense is that he is not 'wild', and that does likely represent good adult modulation]. Can you give me links to major lifting coaches that say lifting high weights, alone, in the middle of the night is an accepted, wise training routine?

That, in a nutshell, is my critique of Gill, although pique at not pre-selecting a 'B' standard athlete does not leave me highly impressed with either him or his handlers either [of course, being from the US, where we do not even preselect WR/returning OG/WC champions set a different sort of baseline for me].

I do not fault is determination and his abilities, and that part seems to get lost as though I am ragging on him overall. He will not have the usual big development as he gets older since he has already harvested much of the ground that others don't typically do at his (not-tender) tender age. Of course, that is why he is already where he is, and a slightly slower trajectory from this point could very well take him too the top.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Vena to U of Georgia]

Postby derby_county » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:26 pm

20.05 from Jacko in his first meet of the NZ summer. He is now coached by Courtney Ireland (SMU).
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby leoesharkey » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:39 am

Bravo jacko, get on with it! :D
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:47 am

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill Nov 22
4 Competitions in 18 days - 7.26kg, 7.26kg, 6kg then 5kg, can't wait!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:23 am

3 weeks till he turns 18. What are the odds on Jacko getting out to 25m?, 23m?, 21m?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Marlow » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Tuariki wrote:3 weeks till he turns 18. What are the odds on Jacko getting out to 25m?, 23m?, 21m?

Given that he's now at

11# - 24.45
12# - ~ 23.3ish
13.2# - 22.31
16# - 20.38

I feel this year (i.e., not in 3 weeks) he can be at

25.5 - 83' !!!
24.5 - 80'
23.5 - 77'
21.0 - 69' (which sounds RIDICULOUS for an 18-year-old, but . . . )
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:20 pm

Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:3 weeks till he turns 18. What are the odds on Jacko getting out to 25m?, 23m?, 21m?

Given that he's now at

11# - 24.45
12# - ~ 23.3ish
13.2# - 22.31
16# - 20.38

I feel this year (i.e., not in 3 weeks) he can be at

25.5 - 83' !!! +1.05
24.5 - 80' +2.20
23.5 - 77' + 1.2
21.0 - 69' + 0.68 (which sounds RIDICULOUS for an 18-year-old, but . . . )


That 2.20 looks out of place (and it still does not get to 81 feet).
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:21 pm

26mi235 wrote:
Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:3 weeks till he turns 18. What are the odds on Jacko getting out to 25m?, 23m?, 21m?

Given that he's now at

11# - 24.45
12# - ~ 23.3ish
13.2# - 22.31
16# - 20.38

I feel this year (i.e., not in 3 weeks) he can be at

25.5 - 83' !!! +1.05
24.5 - 80' +2.20
23.5 - 77' + 1.2
21.0 - 69' + 0.68 (which sounds RIDICULOUS for an 18-year-old, but . . . )


That 2.20 looks out of place (and it still does not get to 81 feet).


Perhaps the reason the 2.20 looks out of place is because Jacko has never thrown the 12lb. Nowhere else in the world is the 12lb thrown except for the USA. However, the estimate of 23.3 ish is fair and reasonable.

Carters 81 feet plus is IMO far and away the most incredible HS performance and is the bench mark for Jacko to chase.

I reckon the Gill company should invite Jacko to compete in a Gill series against the best USA high schoolers/18 year olds in May 2013 with a goal of chasing after Carter's record.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Marlow » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:58 pm

Tuariki wrote:I reckon the Gill company should invite Jacko to compete in a Gill series against the best USA high schoolers/18 year olds in May 2013 with a goal of chasing after Carter's record.

Second the motion. I would actually throw money in the pot to support that!!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:34 am

Shot Put challenge is tomorrow starting 4:30pm NZ Time (11:30pm EST).

Jacko supposed to be throwing the 7.26kg and then the 6kg.

My prediction - 20.80 and 23.00
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:39 pm

No records today. Jacko injured on first throw. He was slightly off balance as he planted his left foot going into the throw. Twisted his foot. Gone to medical centre for x-ray and treatment. Unlikely t throw again till after he turns 18 in 9 days time. His throw was a foul as he limped out of the circle to the side. The throw itself was approx 20.60 with the 7.26kg.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:23 pm

Well, if the one throw was 20.60, then your estimate of 20.80 for a competition was right on.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:38 pm

Jacko is a lot bigger than he was 12 months ago and evidently a lot stronger.

Disappointing he injured his foot. Possible he could throw next week but unlikely. Was told he has been throwing in practice over 21 and over 23.

I guess we will probably have to wait until he is 18 now.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby GMH454 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:37 pm

as a kid lifting alone in a vacuum, which Sydney Australia was in the 70's where we had 5 Ol bars in the city, some US colleges had twice that at the time, I can say lifting alone, makes one very serious about what one does, because you know it is only you who, no back slapping, no one shouting "it's all you", a great way for a solo athlete to prepare and learn to handle the adrenalin
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby mal » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:32 am

GMH454 wrote:as a kid lifting alone in a vacuum, which Sydney Australia was in the 70's where we had 5 Ol bars in the city, some US colleges had twice that at the time, I can say lifting alone, makes one very serious about what one does, because you know it is only you who, no back slapping, no one shouting "it's all you", a great way for a solo athlete to prepare and learn to handle the adrenalin


Too true. Where I was there was one track, and you had to get approval to use it during the year. You become very hard headed.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:24 pm

Jacko has suffered another setback to his next competitive performance as the result of a dog attack to his face. I understand he has just been released from hospital after 2 or 3 days. Evidently, he tried to stop a dog fight and tried to break it up. I guess Jacko does everything in his life with little thought to the downside if things go wrong as they did in this case.

I believe his foot has been healing nicely which he strained in 3 places a month ago.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:56 pm

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill Janusry 11
Trying to break up dog fight = bad idea

• see photo on Throwhoics Facebook page
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby Tuariki » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:13 am

bushop wrote:
Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill Janusry 11
Trying to break up dog fight = bad idea

• see photo on Throwhoics Facebook page

Looks like the dog might have a bit of a toothache.

While the incident is pretty terrible, the funny thing is it wouldn't surprise me if the enforced layoff is a good thing for Jacko (as long as it is not too long) and he comes back at the end of this month or early next month and throws a series of PR's.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby Half Miler » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:28 am

bushop wrote:
Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill Janusry 11
Trying to break up dog fight = bad idea

• see photo on Throwhoics Facebook page


What's up with that tiny hospital bed?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [Gill fights dog, wins?]

Postby Powell » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:08 am

Konrad Bukowiecki (97) set a new Polish indoor youth record with 20.17 (5k shot). That's 1 cm farther than Krzysztof Brzozowski's best in this age category. Bukowiecki's outdoor best last year was 19.27.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [Gill fights dog, wins?]

Postby Powell » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:54 pm

Powell wrote:Konrad Bukowiecki (97) set a new Polish indoor youth record with 20.17 (5k shot). That's 1 cm farther than Krzysztof Brzozowski's best in this age category. Bukowiecki's outdoor best last year was 19.27.


Bukowiecki improved to 20.54 at this weekend's national champs. In the junior category, Andrzej Krzyżan took the title with 19.74.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [Gill fights dog, wins?]

Postby gh » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:33 pm

I don't follow age stuff at all, so have no idea if significant, but we got this in an e-mail last week:


I'd like to tell you about a young shot putter named Joseph Maxwell. He's 14 years old and has been throwing competitively for two years. Last month Joe threw the 4 kg shot 21.0m in an Athletics Ontario competition in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Earlier in the month he competed up one level and threw the 5kg 19.10m in the 17-and-under class.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby bushop » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:07 pm

Joseph Maxwell YouTube page
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:50 pm

If he was 14 years old his throw is significant although he still has a bit to do to catch to the outdoor world best for a 14 year old with a 5kg shot is 20.42m by Jacko Gill. The 15 year old world best is 23.86m; also by Jacko.

The world best for the 6kg shot, are 17.41m for a 14 year old and 20.76 for a 15 year old. Both by Jacko.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby leoesharkey » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:36 pm

Still it's pretty damn good! :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:12 am

very damn good. he also appears quite tall and relatively skinny, so a lot of room for improvement perhaps.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:24 am

Not sure how good these are (or the weights used); they are from the USATF Youth Indoor Championships [see link on Today's Top Headlines]:

Kathleen Young, 13-14 girls shot put, 12.79m/41-11.50
Brandon Patterson, 13-14 boys shot put, 14.29m/46-10.75
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby leoesharkey » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:42 pm

i am guessing a 4kg and a 12lb? 8-)
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Ref » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:21 pm

leoesharkey wrote:i am guessing a 4kg and a 12lb? 8-)

Perhaps a fair bit lighter than those, for age 13-14?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Ref » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:25 pm

Tuariki wrote:
26mi235 wrote:
Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:
12# - ~ 23.3ish

I feel this year (i.e., not in 3 weeks) he can be at

24.5 - 80' +2.20


That 2.20 looks out of place (and it still does not get to 81 feet).


Perhaps the reason the 2.20 looks out of place is because Jacko has never thrown the 12lb. Nowhere else in the world is the 12lb thrown except for the USA.

There are still some places where 12lb is thrown outwith the US, although it isn't a championship weight any more. I threw 12.44m with 12lb in 1980. I think that 12lb was a school weight in Scotland for about 100 years (but I'm guessing, really).
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill opens 20.05m 65' 9" new coach]

Postby Tuariki » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:23 pm

Ref wrote:
Tuariki wrote:Perhaps the reason the 2.20 looks out of place is because Jacko has never thrown the 12lb. Nowhere else in the world is the 12lb thrown except for the USA.

There are still some places where 12lb is thrown outwith the US, although it isn't a championship weight any more. I threw 12.44m with 12lb in 1980. I think that 12lb was a school weight in Scotland for about 100 years (but I'm guessing, really).

New Zealand was the same when I was at school in the 1960s. The shot at school was a 12lb-er.
But then New Zealand decided to join the rest of the world and go metric.

It seems rather strange to me that US High Schools still persist in using a 12lb shot when they have switched to metrics for the track. Mind you I would hate to see Michael Carter's record relegated to irrelevance by being made obsolete given it is far and away the greatest high school record on the books.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:24 am

Tuariki wrote:It seems rather strange to me that US High Schools still persist in using a 12lb shot when they have switched to metrics for the track. Mind you I would hate to see Michael Carter's record relegated to irrelevance by being made obsolete given it is far and away the greatest high school record on the books.

If the US went with a 5kg (11 lb) ball for the high school boys Carter's record would still stand... and I, for one, would very happy. Throw the 6kg ball at U20 meets.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby leoesharkey » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:31 pm

is Sean Shields still the record holder?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby bushop » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:03 am

leoesharkey wrote:is Sean Shields still the record holder?

Which record?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby bushop » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:43 pm

German Shot Talents Following In Storl's Footsteps
19 MAR 2013
"Now, there are two other German youngsters to watch out for – 17-year-old Patrick Müller and Henning Prüfer, both competing for SC Neubrandenburg in the north-east of Germany."
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby bushop » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:28 am

Shot put takes centre stage at [NZ] nationals
21/03/2013
"The sport’s rising star Jacko Gill will be defending his junior 6kg title... and will be aiming for the world U18 and U19 record of 22.73m held by... David Storl... interest in the senior event will centre on Tom Walsh."
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby Tuariki » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:36 am

Off to watch Jacko tomorrow at 1:45pm (NZ time) go over 23m
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13

Postby bushop » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:09 am

Athletics New Zealand 2013 Track& Field Champ
23/03/2013
Mt Smart - Auckland
link to results
Men Shot Put Under 20 (6kg)
Flight 1
1. Jacko Gill Auckland 20.53m
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Re: Junior Shot Put '13 [Gill 6kg - 20.53m!?]

Postby bushop » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:12 am

Adams claims 12th national shot put crown
23 Mar 2013
"Aucklander Gill was pleased to be back competing, but hoping for a longer throw before he headed to Europe for a stint of training and competition."

Adams happy with consistency
Mar 24, 2013
"While he battles the problem with his hand, Gill said he will stick to the junior events, with the 6kg shot easier to manage. On Friday he flies out to Sweden for a month to visit his girlfriend and will compete in a couple of local events while there."
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