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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby preston » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:44 am

bushop wrote:If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill

At the end it says a PB...today? Did they measure? Anyway, I guess my real question is: when are they going to move Jacko up to the 800m?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby shotputter » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:52 am

Someone should tell Jacko that the World junior boxing championship is not until October.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby jeremyp » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:52 pm

bushop wrote:If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill


It's the stair hopping that shows this kids power in the legs. What's his weight now? 105 kilos?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby Powell » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:07 am

Brzozowski 21.14 NJR yesterday in Białystok at the national junior champs.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby leoesharkey » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:04 am

could be five or six putters over 20m in world juniors and a few over 21m :mrgreen:
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:47 pm

Video of Stephen Mozia's 20.20m put at the USA Junior Track & Field Championships.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:52 pm

SHOT PUT Tom WALSH 19,16m 7kg 22 06 2012 Colmar

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill June 24
Off to Switzerland, France, Spain and Sweden for 2 months :') see you all my mates have a beauty! And going to be a beauty mate

I wonder if he'll spend some time with Val Adams while in Switzerland.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:57 pm

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill July 1
Slimmed up for World Juniors 6kg! <3333333333333333333333333333333333693333333333333333333333333333333333333333
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby Tuariki » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:25 am

Prediction: WJr

Jacko 1st = 23.50 metres
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby leoesharkey » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:28 am

Monza and Brzyovszy to go 21m+ and Gill to sneak over 23m ! my prediction ! :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby Tuariki » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:15 pm

It is official - no Jacko at the Olympics as NZ selectors have confirmed the final selections for London. Late selections of Newdick (MDec) and Cawley (wPen) were the last Tnf selections.

I guess Jacko decided to keep to his decision to withdraw his name for selection and just focus on winning the WJr tomorrow night.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby leoesharkey » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:07 pm

Possibly the right decision, hope he throws big ! :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:32 pm

leoesharkey wrote:Possibly the right decision, hope he throws big ! :D

Seems like a poor choice... I'm concerned about the motives and attitude behind not accepting the same treatment as everyone else.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby gibson » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:20 am

Jacko Gill is a fine young man.
his training and methods are awesome.
he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.
he's making it fun and becoming an all round athlete.
which will allow him to tackle the discus or even the decathlon in the future.

athletics new zealand and many of the good intended posters just get in the way of progress.
inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.

good for gill to shut them out.

at the end of the day. i'd like to see gill box key selectors from athletics NZ and show them what's up.

if gill gets the chance he most definitely should talk to mr. mac wilkins about how to deal with federation crap and such. plus he could learn from THE master.
http://macwilkins.com/
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:48 am

gibson wrote:
Inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.
good for gill to shut them out.

What does this mean?

Do you expect NZ's federation to name Gill to the team in January based on his "B" Standard?
The sad thing is that Jacko Gill will not be in London... there is no upside here.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:39 am

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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 21.50m CR in qualifying]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:08 am

Jacko Gill opens with a CR 21.75m (71' 4")
Kangas goes 19.52m (64' 0")
Damo goes 20.44m (67' 0")
Pezer fouls
Brzozowski glides huge... 21.78m (71' 5")
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 21.75m 71'4" CR]

Postby Vault-emort » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:14 am

A great comp to watch!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 21.75m 71'4" CR]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:15 am

Jacko Gill responds to Brzo with a CR 22.19m (72' 10")
Kangas improves to 19.69m (64' 7")
Damo improves to 20.60m (67' 7")
Pezer goes 18.80m (61' 8")
Brzozowski fouls
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:23 am

If Jacko doesn't break the world record today, the trip to Barcelona was worthless in comparison to going to Olympics. He can win this competition in his sleep, despite Brzozowski coming in strong. He should have played by the (stupid) rules, make the A standard, come to Barcelona, win, and then go to London.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:26 am

Jacko Gill opens the 3rd round with a 22.15m (72' 8")
Jun Li spins to 4th place with a 19.72m (64' 8")
Kangas fouls
Damo PBs again with a 21.03m (69' 0")
Pezer goes through to the final in 4th with a 19.83m (65' 1")
Brzozowski fouls
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:49 am

Kangas fouls
Jun Li fouls
Pezer fouls
Damo goes 20.83m (68' 4")
Brzozowski goes 20.88m (68' 9")
Gill ends the 4th round with a 21.84m (71' 8")
... and they're showing a medal ceremony... ug.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:54 am

5th round:
Kangas moves ahead of Li by 1cm with a 19.73m (64' 8")
Jun Li goes 19.38m (63' 7")
Pezer goes 18.81m (61' 8")
Damo keeps his great meet rolling at 21.16m (69' 5")
Brzozowski goes 21.37m (70' 1")
Gill sets another CR at 22.20m (72' 10")
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:06 am

final round:
Kangas moves ahead of Pezer by 2cm with a 19.85m (65' 1")
Jun Li goes 19.46m (63' 10")
Pezer fouls
Damo goes 20.40m (66' 11")
Brzozowski fouls
Gill finishes the day with 22.02m (72' 3")
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:06 am

he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.

By doing what? Releasing videos on youtube? There was nothing exciting today in Barcelona. Everyone knew he was going to win, the record they talked about for the past year didn't get broken, and it is now clear that his decisions about London were all poor choices.

It's obvious that he didn't need to focus on Barcelona in order to win, he could have trained for the senior shot and still win today. So that talk about how they needed to be sure that Jacko will be part of the team months before so that he would know what to train for, goes down the drain. It's just that he wanted to be treated differently and when they treated him like everyone else, he got pissed off. So, shutting the Athletics NZ up did nothing for him.

Jacko in London, now that would be super exciting, even if he doesn't place well, he would still be a 17-year old shot put Olympian. That's huge. But he wasted that opportunity.

So, for me, he didn't make it fun. I'm actually disappointed. He should compete more. With seniors, as he reached that level by going over 20m. That's exciting, that's something to look forward to. Dominating juniors for two more years is like letting Usain Bolt compete with high school kids. Break the JR world record, get done with it. Move on to what matters.

Also, shot put is not a boring event. At the moment, it has one of the strongest fields and it will be an event to watch in London.

his training and methods are awesome.

Are you actually serious? That training works for him because he's exceptionally gifted. In any other application, it would produce injuries, overtraining, and poor results. Go ahead, try it. It has no structure, it's random and some parts of his training are dangerous.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby Tuariki » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:30 pm

I have to agree with shotputter.

First though, thanks to Bushop that I was able to follow the shot competition as it progressed rather than wait for the IAAF site update.

Human nature is a funny old beast. Here I am sitting in Auckland feeling gutted because all Jacko did was to win the Gold, with all 7 of his throws exceeding the incoming World Championship record of 21.47. Having watched Jacko throw non-foul warm ups at the NZ Nationals earlier this year his 22.20m was a major disappointment and surprise. And I am sure Jacko is probably gutted as well. I imagine the pressure of the 23m expectation possibly got the better of him.

And it was certainly a wasted opportunity that Jacko withdrew himself from Olympic selection.

At the Olympics there would be very little expectation of him in terms of placing well. And with that lack of pressure I believe he would have had a good chance of reaching 21m. His warm up throws in December were evidence of his ability to reach 21.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:06 pm

I'll now have two weeks holiday in Sweden then go home and get training in earnest again, starting out with circuit training, before starting competing again around October time.

http://iaaf.org/Mini/WJC12/News/NewsDet ... x?id=65760

Another delay. We won't see him much this year. He will probably produce a good result in October/November and then we won't hear about him for another four to five months. His career is no longer interesting to me until he starts competing more often.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby AS » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:07 pm

Gill's success at such a young age in this event is rare (hence our excitement). We all salivate at the prospect of what he might become in the coming 5-10 years. We know that this will take a lot of training and hard work.

It's not clear to me that competing at great frequency in the coming year or two will help much, however.

As such, isn't he doing the right thing by staying down in NZ, competing when he feels like it (especially in an event which benefits less from having competitors around you), and training??

As it is, competing as a 'freakshow' in a couple of Diamond Leagues isn't exactly going to help the brand...as he'll just be an also-ran/threw. "17 year old finishes within 5 ft of Olympic champ" is a vaguely interesting headline once...
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:49 pm

As such, isn't he doing the right thing by staying down in NZ, competing when he feels like it (especially in an event which benefits less from having competitors around you), and training??

He should at least be taking part in local meets. It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just he teased us with those results with the senior shot and now we don't get to see it again. He will be a great senior, but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Physically, he is already at the senior level. That's why it's not interesting to me to see him compete only a few times during the year, at junior level.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:27 pm

shotputter wrote:.... but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Maybe exciting for us–but maybe not what Gill needs to reach his potential.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby rainy.here » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:56 pm

shotputter wrote:Jacko in London, now that would be super exciting, even if he doesn't place well, he would still be a 17-year old shot put Olympian. That's huge. But he wasted that opportunity.

So, for me, he didn't make it fun. I'm actually disappointed. He should compete more. With seniors, as he reached that level by going over 20m. That's exciting, that's something to look forward to. Dominating juniors for two more years is like letting Usain Bolt compete with high school kids. Break the JR world record, get done with it. Move on to what matters.


I disagree. Jack in London would be kinda boring. There are a lot of good throwers out there and he might not make it through the prelims. 20m is exceptional for his age, but not that good in London. He's young, and hopefully has a long career ahead. If he's truly ready to throw with the big boys, he can do that at next year's world champs. Don't discount the value of winning a world junior title just because of his amazing potential.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby gibson » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:46 pm

great win for gill under great pressure. sure he was looking for a bit better. but.,,

have you ever been in this situation yourself?, at any level, picked to win hands down a long time in advance? if you haven't then you won't understand that it's a really great win.

regarding selection.

of course a run away junior champion of the world has no business being named to an olympic games squad that is more or less void of talent.

of course a super protegee would not benefit from seasoning 4 years later.

of course you don't send a world raked thrower at age 16 who in all likelihood is expected to get much better.

of course an athlete the gets a B standard at age 16 is not likely to achieve an A+ at 17.

of course you can't treat a super protegee any different than the others, a 35 year old shot putter with 20.3 should be treated exactly the same way.

of course NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS A JUNIOR ATHLETE OF THIS CALIBER NOT GOING TO THE GAMES.

of course you need to wait until the last minute to figure out if gill should be on the team.

things like this are why, of course most federations suck c*ck

come on, pick up the phone and call NZ athletics and give them a piece of your mind.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:52 pm

gibson wrote:things like this are why, of course most federations suck c*ck

come on, pick up the phone and call NZ athletics and give them a piece of your mind.

Those calls should go to the Gills. They decided to "withdrawal from consideration" for London.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby Tuariki » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:33 pm

shotputter wrote:
Another delay. We won't see him much this year. He will probably produce a good result in October/November and then we won't hear about him for another four to five months. His career is no longer interesting to me until he starts competing more often.


shotputter wrote:He should at least be taking part in local meets. It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just he teased us with those results with the senior shot and now we don't get to see it again. He will be a great senior, but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Physically, he is already at the senior level. That's why it's not interesting to me to see him compete only a few times during the year, at junior level.


And this time shotputter I have to disagree with you.

Jacko doesn't throw for your pleasure, or mine, or any of us crazies who follow his performances on this forum. If he wants to just throw with the 6kg for the next 18 months then that is his right and his decision. Of course we would all be disappointed because that is not what we want. But what we want is irrelevant. What is relevant is what Jacko wants. Its his life, his career; not ours.

However, in saying that, I am also confident Jacko will give us what we crazies want. Maybe not in terms of the numbers of competitions that shotputter is hoping to see. But I believe that while Jacko wants to erase Storl's 22.73 I believe his ultimate junior targets are the records of Michael Carter. So, I am looking forward to Jacko going 24.80m which I believe is the ultimate record (but with the 6kg). I have already watched Jacko throw a non-foul warm up past Carter's 20.65m
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby mump boy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:45 am

gibson wrote:Jacko Gill is a fine young man.
his training and methods are awesome.
he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.
he's making it fun and becoming an all round athlete.
which will allow him to tackle the discus or even the decathlon in the future.

athletics new zealand and many of the good intended posters just get in the way of progress.
inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.

good for gill to shut them out.

at the end of the day. i'd like to see gill box key selectors from athletics NZ and show them what's up.

if gill gets the chance he most definitely should talk to mr. mac wilkins about how to deal with federation crap and such. plus he could learn from THE master.
http://macwilkins.com/


How cutting off your nose to spite your face is shutting THEM up, i'll never know. He would be flying straight to London now if he hadn't thrown a diva strop
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby Powell » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:34 am

Since Brzozowski's 21.78 got hardly any attention here, I guess I need to comment on how impressed I am by him. He's now no. 4 on the all-time 6k junior list. And once more he got a big PB when it mattered most - in terms of peaking for major events, his career record up to now must be one of the best of all time:
2009 WYC silver PB by 57 cm
2010 EYO gold PB by 31 cm
2010 WYO gold PB by 123 cm !
2011 EJC gold PB by 11 cm
2012 WJC silver PB by 64 cm
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby gibson » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:41 am

ok, one last "shot" at why Gill did the right thing dissin athletics NZ
warning DIATRIBE SUPREME ALERT

aren't sports meant to cultivate bravery, mental and physical strength, to overcome the odds, become a decent person?
those involved in track and field are generally making a mockery of the aim and morality in sport.
Pre, Mac Foster made some waves and now we have Gill. Those are my kind of guys, we just need more of them.

if athletes pull their support from bad, useless, inept federations in mass then those federations could/would lose massive credibility.

for example, say federer, djokovic, nadal are pissed, say if they were playing wimbledon for free - living at a lousy olympic villiage with two star ratings - at best, having TV coverage switch to beach volleyball DURING the final.
and say they pull out of wimbledon, what do you think will happen to the organizers of that event? what kind of ratings would wimbledon get? organizers and that unfair process would be gonzo. what is absolutely ridiculous for tennis is acceptable or tolerated by track.

now say bolt, rudisha, eaton, merrit and say 10 other guys pull out of the games in protest at the last minute, what's going to happen to the credibility of the event? it would be a big blow.

what would happen to credibility of the entire olympic games if OG track was no longer a legitimate world championship???? that is huge possible leverage.

similarly, in the case of new zealand, the star athletes can form their own club and dictate to athletics new zealand by pulling out of domestic or even international events.....
get it? the athletes form their own club and dictate to federations what they will and will not do.

a few people you see can rewrite the rule book for these global competitions and axe the bloated organizations that have raped the athletes for so long.

instead you have stuff like this going on for ever (see link below) and no one has taken a real stand.
certainly on this board you can easily identify the people that would not step up to the plate and DO SOMETHING.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... ng-partner
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:41 am

Jacko doesn't throw for your pleasure, or mine, or any of us crazies who follow his performances on this forum.

You're right, I didn't look at things from his perspective, only as a fan that wants to see MORE MORE MORE. Patience is a virtue, and I lack that virtue. My bad.

However, in saying that, I am also confident Jacko will give us what we crazies want. Maybe not in terms of the numbers of competitions that shotputter is hoping to see.

Just to be clear, I wasn't expecting that he competes as much as let's say Dylan Armstrong, but I was hoping to see him throw the senior shot at least once this summer. But I will learn to be patient, good things are coming from him in the next year or two.

Since Brzozowski's 21.78 got hardly any attention here, I guess I need to comment on how impressed I am by him.

Absolutely. He also had a PB with the 7.26 in May, and it's safe to say that he will break the 20m soon, now that he's switching his focus to seniors. This is his last year as a junior if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:17 am

gibson wrote:for example, say federer, djokovic, nadal are pissed, say if they were playing wimbledon for free - living at a lousy olympic villiage with two star ratings - at best, having TV coverage switch to beach volleyball DURING the final.
and say they pull out of wimbledon, what do you think will happen to the organizers of that event? what kind of ratings would wimbledon get? organizers and that unfair process would be gonzo. what is absolutely ridiculous for tennis is acceptable or tolerated by track.

How does this relate to Gill's situation?

gibson wrote:Pre, Mac, Foster made some waves and now we have Gill. Those are my kind of guys, we just need more of them....

...if athletes pull their support from bad, useless, inept federations in mass then those federations could/would lose massive credibility.

similarly, in the case of new zealand, the star athletes can form their own club and dictate to athletics new zealand by pulling out of domestic or even international events.....
get it? the athletes form their own club and dictate to federations what they will and will not do.

See International Track Association (ITA). I can't seem to find any useful information about it... anyone else find some to share?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby Tuariki » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:07 am

bushop wrote:See International Track Association (ITA). I can't seem to find any useful information about it... anyone else find some to share?


Like what sort of information. I competed for the ITA for 3 years in the 70's

I also know first hand what a bunch of dorks (or is "berk" the going word these days) the NZ Athletic bosses have traditionally been, having personally had to suffer the arrogance and control-freak personality of NZ's version of Avery Brundage, Ces Blazey.
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