chuku69 wrote:It's possible she could not get any gold medals. Individuals or relays.
VCB has better chaces of going home without hardware.
Based on? I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year
Based on the simple fact that she will attempt to go to the Olympics for 3 events max. Felix could be going for 4 events. That one extra opportunity that VCB does not have.
If VCB stays healthy all season that 200 is hers. It seems like she lost at lease 20lbs and seems very fit. With her weight loss I'm sure she will be able to run much faster. When is VCB next indoor meet. She really needs to work on her starts.
running4life wrote:If VCB stays healthy all season that 200 is hers. It seems like she lost at lease 20lbs and seems very fit. With her weight loss I'm sure she will be able to run much faster. When is VCB next indoor meet. She really needs to work on her starts.
20 pounds? That's a lot of weight loss for someone at her level. A little hyperbole perhaps?
chuku69 wrote: I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year
She ran 7.08, which is a far cry from 6.9x, and that with a start that some knowledgeable posters think is of questionable legality. Tack on a mere 0.02 and she is not even in the 7.0x range. A couple of seasons ago she had stellar indoor marks (had sixes in them) and she still was not ranked first. Given the progress that Jeter made last season (medalling and then taking the last big prize) if she continues on that trajectory (difficult to stay on that rate of improvement) VCB will not have an easy time dispatching her. The (.) indicates that I do not think that it is that likely but I would put it in the 10-20% range, part of which is there because I think that there is a chance that she will get an FS (although less likely in the 200).
VCB is the indoors and out doors world champion nuff said. I love how people like to down play VCB achievements. I see she is on her way to third gold medal.
The 60 is most relevant to the 100; not that it is irrelevant to the 200, but they are not remotely predictive of each other and she is not the reigning champion in the distance relevant to your assertions (has she ever been?).
Obviously a better start definitely helps VCB against the late-charging Felix in the 200. But the gap has grown so much that I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Give VCB credit - she has not been hesitant to make coaching changes when change is called for, with positive results.
First of all VCB knows that her chances are better in the 200.She herself said that to win the third gold in the 200 would be special to her. She only runs the 100 because she is good at it. VCB doesn't need me to defend her after all,we are talking about someone whom placed 4th in 09 in the 100 at worlds and won a sliver medal in the 200 and then was kicked off the relay team. Only to come back two years later winning two slivers and a gold. Talk about the heart of a true champion. Down play her achievements all you want that will not stop her from making history. And the world would be in trouble if she decide to drop the 100 and focus only on the 200 it would be 2008 all over again.
If VCB doubles in London and Felix only runs the 200, history tells that Felix will win 200 gold. The only time VCB has been able to beat Felix in this scenario is in 2004 when Felix was still a pubescent teenager.
running4life wrote:Whatever the last time Allyson beat VCB was in 09 thats three years ago.Moving on.
Yo say it as if between then they raced many times and VCB wiped the floor with her. They have raced twice in 2 years. 1 time VCB won by a hair, and the next time was Felix finishing off a 4-2 double at worlds. Doesn't really tell me much about what to expect this year.
chuku69 wrote: I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year :lol:
She ran 7.08, which is a far cry from 6.9x, and that with a start that some knowledgeable posters think is of questionable legality. Tack on a mere 0.02 and she is not even in the 7.0x range. A couple of seasons ago she had stellar indoor marks (had sixes in them) and she still was not ranked first. Given the progress that Jeter made last season (medalling and then taking the last big prize) if she continues on that trajectory (difficult to stay on that rate of improvement) VCB will not have an easy time dispatching her. The (.) indicates that I do not think that it is that likely but I would put it in the 10-20% range, part of which is there because I think that there is a chance that she will get an FS (although less likely in the 200).
She ran 50meters in 6.08 my friend not 60m. Get it right. VCB 3peat!!!
Oh Guru of all things track... I think it depends on the angle one takes when cutting over. Nevertheless my point was that predicted potential based on super human second (any) leg splits arent often repli/dupli-cated or repeated in the open event.
Felix' open 400 -which is very good- is an example of that.
Speculation, speculation. None of us knows or can even make a very knowledgeable guess as to what will happen -- too many variables. This is really just j%*%*$*$*ing off!
So, here's my take. If Felix runs one individual event and the relays, I think her best shot for a gold is the 400. She came very, very close to gold in Daegu.
The 200 looks harder, to me, because of VCB and, especially, Jeter, who has top-end equal to either VCB or Felix, a 100-m start and likely will be stronger at the end than last year.
I don't have a "dog in this race", as far as rooting for anyone. I don't care who wins. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA USA
Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.
Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.
Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies
Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.
Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies
I think the chances for the JAM ladies are as good as anyone's. VCB seems in good early form and Simpson has run a strong 400m outside. If Stewart and Fraser-Pryce can get close to their best, they are going to be hard to beat.
Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.
Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies
I think the chances for the JAM ladies are as good as anyone's. VCB seems in good early form and Simpson has run a strong 400m outside. If Stewart and Fraser-Pryce can get close to their best, they are going to be hard to beat.
I would agree but if you look at the american team that beat the fastest Jamaican team ever. You have Jeter and Myers, you had a Filix after all her WC running, and finally Bianca Knight. Knight could be replaced with a certain sprinter who is showing much better form than VCB right now. Felix will possibly only be doing 1 individual event. And the US women have a much deeper pool of talent to choose from compared to the jamaicans.
ATK wrote:I would agree but if you look at the american team that beat the fastest Jamaican team ever. You have Jeter and Myers, you had a Filix after all her WC running, and finally Bianca Knight. Knight could be replaced with a certain sprinter who is showing much better form than VCB right now. Felix will possibly only be doing 1 individual event. And the US women have a much deeper pool of talent to choose from compared to the jamaicans.
In Daegu, Knight did a good job, based on her positioning compared to Shelly Ann Fraser. At most she gave up a meter to someone with 10.7 spped. The weak link in that race was Felix. Her acceleration was absolutely abyssmal, giving away a couple of meters before she even got out of the zone. Part of the problem was that she started from a two-point stance instead of a three-point stance. It's hard enough to accelerate without starting blocks, so I don't know why she would compound the issue by starting from a two-point stance.
jazzcyclist wrote: The weak link in that race was Felix. Her acceleration was absolutely abyssmal, giving away a couple of meters before she even got out of the zone.
Though I disagree that Felix was the weak link, she can be excused if she were less than her normal 4x1 self with 2200m of racing clogging up her legs going into that 4x1 final at Worlds. As ATK said, that shouldnt be an issue in London. Add in a 10.9(or better) Madison taking over for the 11.22(2011 best) Knight, and it's time to start thinking sub-41.
Assuming, of course, the stick doesn't get rug-burn...
Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.
Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies
I think the chances for the JAM ladies are as good as anyone's. VCB seems in good early form and Simpson has run a strong 400m outside. If Stewart and Fraser-Pryce can get close to their best, they are going to be hard to beat.
I would agree but if you look at the american team that beat the fastest Jamaican team ever. You have Jeter and Myers, you had a Filix after all her WC running, and finally Bianca Knight. Knight could be replaced with a certain sprinter who is showing much better form than VCB right now. Felix will possibly only be doing 1 individual event. And the US women have a much deeper pool of talent to choose from compared to the jamaicans.
The fastest jamaican team ever , and they werent even @ their best. Kerron was a far cry from 10.75, shelly ann was not @ her best either, so too was sherone simpson who couldnt even break 11 sec.. rewind to 2008 when they were all close to their prime. That team to my knowledge is the only time i think to have 4 girls in sub 10.90 form on a 4x 100m ( in the same season) additionally watching that race carefully the reason why jams lost it was because of lack of unity and egos. Americans did what was necessary to come out and execute they practiced @ meets. The Jams from 2008 have had issues lack of practice, led to a HORRIBLE baton pass between vcb and a woefully out of form sherone. Had sherone been close to her best she would have destroyed myers on that leg negating whatever horrible baton changes there were. But history wouldnt have that. I say potentially with practice and return to form jamaicans have the greater potential of running under 41.
Sherone running 51.4 is great signs , hope she remains fit
kerron last yr started her training late she says due to injury, hopefully she will return well
Fraser dont use her 400 as a guide her pb is 54 she hates it, i still think she can be double olympic champion in the 100 and 200 as long as she remains healthy
Vcb she is like fine wine they say. Hopefully no injuries
one of my biggest wish is for aleen bailey to see 10.9X this seasons..(just an aside) just because of her personality
jazzcyclist wrote: The weak link in that race was Felix. Her acceleration was absolutely abyssmal, giving away a couple of meters before she even got out of the zone.
Though I disagree that Felix was the weak link, she can be excused if she were less than her normal 4x1 self with 2200m of racing clogging up her legs going into that 4x1 final at Worlds. As ATK said, that shouldnt be an issue in London. Add in a 10.9(or better) Madison taking over for the 11.22(2011 best) Knight, and it's time to start thinking sub-41.
Assuming, of course, the stick doesn't get rug-burn...
uhm she has never run 10.90, i think ur getting ahead of urself. how quickly you forget one of the best starters in the world .. Lauryn WIlliams. thats a true champion she will be back...
trackfan22 wrote:The fastest jamaican team ever , and they werent even @ their best. Kerron was a far cry from 10.75, shelly ann was not @ her best either, so too was sherone simpson who couldnt even break 11 sec.. rewind to 2008 when they were all close to their prime. That team to my knowledge is the only time i think to have 4 girls in sub 10.90 form on a 4x 100m ( in the same season) additionally watching that race carefully the reason why jams lost it was because of lack of unity and egos. Americans did what was necessary to come out and execute they practiced @ meets. The Jams from 2008 have had issues lack of practice, led to a HORRIBLE baton pass between vcb and a woefully out of form sherone. Had sherone been close to her best she would have destroyed myers on that leg negating whatever horrible baton changes there were. But history wouldnt have that. I say potentially with practice and return to form jamaicans have the greater potential of running under 41.
Sherone running 51.4 is great signs , hope she remains fit
kerron last yr started her training late she says due to injury, hopefully she will return well
Fraser dont use her 400 as a guide her pb is 54 she hates it, i still think she can be double olympic champion in the 100 and 200 as long as she remains healthy
Vcb she is like fine wine they say. Hopefully no injuries
one of my biggest wish is for aleen bailey to see 10.9X this seasons..(just an aside) just because of her personality
I concur.... very very very much agree.
SAFP was nowhere near her best last year. I have a feeling she will not only equal her 2009 best of 10.73 but also better it. Remember that even in 2009 when she ran that 10.73 she was coming back from an appendix surgery and having parts of her season seriously affected. Last year after doing well up until about May, she got injured which seriously derailed her plans to defend her title.
KS ran 10.75 TWICE in 2009, after a vicious injury in 2010, she was slowly gearing her season up in 2011. Her absence from the circuit was very much noted which showed that she really was not 100% back from the 2010 injury. The relatively low key season for her might serve her well. I do expect her to be back to 10.7x form this year at the Oly.
SS's 400m is usually a fair enough indication of what she will be able to do outdoor. I have always thought that what SS has lacked (subsequent her 2006 injury) is strength at the end of her races. She has the start and has been starting consistently well since 2008. That 400m ran in 51.4x in January is ominous and leaves me to think that she will be able to close much better than she has been able to do in prior seasons. Sub-22 and 10.7x is very possible for SS I believe. Also.... SS always performs well in Olympic years....
VCB's top end is truly supreme (I'm still sketchy on her start but fortunately that's a non issue in the 4x100). If she is fit she again is 10.7x.
I think a VERY important part about these four girls is leg placement. We all know where SAFP belongs and that is the first leg. The other legs though is an issue. My take on the matter is SS should run the 2nd leg if she gets into 10.8-7/22.0x form (that was her leg in 2004 and that is where I think she should stay provided she is fit enough), VCB should run the 3rd leg (she has the potential to blow the race WIDE open) and KS in 10.7x/sub-22 form will not be caught even from Jeter.
Sorry but it goes both ways. Everyone is putting money on every leg of the relay to be healthy and in top form. Its pretty unrealistic. I can give just as good an argument for the US women. Jeter in peak form is Jeter, pretty sure we don't need explination. Myers is still improving and if last season is any indication of what is to come, then this year se will be deep in the 10.7 range, right around where you predict Stewart to be. I can say that Tianna Madison's indoor consistency is a fair enough indication of what she will beable to do outdoor. She running close to where VCB was at her indoor best, and VCB is a 10.7 runner...not saying Madison will be running 10.7 this year....but I'm just saying.... Then comes Felix, who obviously ran a ton of races last year and came into the relay tired. If her recent 60m PR and speed training she claims to be doing is an indication of anything, its that she will be back to where she was in 2007, if not faster.
I'm not trying to disagree or anything, just saying the speculation works in favor of both teams, and considering the US has run faster more times in the past 3 years, with different squads, I would put my money on them.
[quote="guru"]Though I disagree that Felix was the weak link, she can be excused if she were less than her normal 4x1 self with 2200m of racing clogging up her legs going into that 4x1 final at Worlds.quote] Maybe she can be excused, but the coaches can't since they knew she would have 2200 meters in her legs when they stuck her that final.
guru wrote:Though I disagree that Felix was the weak link, she can be excused if she were less than her normal 4x1 self with 2200m of racing clogging up her legs going into that 4x1 final at Worlds
Maybe she can be excused, but the coaches can't since they knew she would have 2200 meters in her legs when they stuck her that final.
Who would have been better? As it was they won with the #5 time in US history(#8 world), and it wasn't because Knight was popping off.
trackfan22 wrote:Americans did what was necessary to come out and execute they practiced @ meets.
Huh? You obviously weren't paying attention last summer. The American women had two practice meets last summer. At one, both teams failed to get the stick around the track. At the other, none of the A team members showed up. They won in spite of their preparation, not because of it.
trackfan22 wrote:Americans did what was necessary to come out and execute they practiced @ meets.
Huh? You obviously weren't paying attention last summer. The American women had two practice meets last summer. At one, both teams failed to get the stick around the track. At the other, none of the A team members showed up. They won in spite of their preparation, not because of it.
point taken but their is a lot more unity with the US team compared to the Jams which is crucial to 4 x100. thats the majorpoint i wanted to make.
trackfan22 wrote:point taken but their is a lot more unity with the US team compared to the Jams which is crucial to 4 x100. thats the majorpoint i wanted to make.
Let's see:
2004 U.S. Women - DNF 2005 U.S. Men - DNF 2008 U.S. Men - DNF 2008 U.S. Women - DNF 2009 U.S. Men - DQ 2009 U.S. Women - DNF 2011 U.S. Men - DNF
That's a lot of weight loss for someone at her level. A little hyperbole perhaps?