Allyson Felix

[ATK]

VCB's individual gold trumps Allyson's relay gold. Therefore, the argument isn't as close as you say.

VCB's and Felix's Olympic medals don't define their entire careers. I think Allyson has overall had a better career with WC, while VCB has done better at Olympics. Overall their success is almost even in my opinion. Olympics may be more significant, but in this situation I think Felix holds her ground.

[Fortius19]

from IAAF link on front page today: Q&A with AF

What's different about your training in 2012 compared to 2011?

"This year I am more focused on speed and technique whereas last year I was focused on more endurance training.”


JYES!!!

[chuku69]

Still doesn't matter. VCB is gonna 3peat!!!

[ATK]

from IAAF link on front page today: Q&A with AF

What's different about your training in 2012 compared to 2011?

"This year I am more focused on speed and technique whereas last year I was focused on more endurance training.”


JYES!!!

That's definately a positive for her. She was also asked what events she planns to run in London. She said the relays, 200m and possibly another event. Her speed training could lead her back to the 100m.

[guru]

So, fair to assume her open event eggs are going in the 200 basket. 400 would have probably been the safer play, but credit to her for opting for the challenging route.

[chuku69]

So, fair to assume her open event eggs are going in the 200 basket. 400 would have probably been the safer play, but credit to her for opting for the challenging route.

400 a safer play with Montso, Richards, Shericka, etc. ? I don't think so. It will be hard for felix to even medal in 400m in London. 200m is her best bet.

[guru]

200m is her best bet.

For silverware, yes

[chuku69]

It's possible she could not get any gold medals. Individuals or relays.

[ATK]

It's possible she could not get any gold medals. Individuals or relays.

VCB has better chaces of going home without hardware.

[chuku69]

It's possible she could not get any gold medals. Individuals or relays.

VCB has better chaces of going home without hardware.

Based on? I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year

[ATK]

It's possible she could not get any gold medals. Individuals or relays.

VCB has better chaces of going home without hardware.

Based on? I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year

Based on the simple fact that she will attempt to go to the Olympics for 3 events max. Felix could be going for 4 events. That one extra opportunity that VCB does not have.

[chuku69]

Ok ATK i hear u based on that logic.

[running4life]

If VCB stays healthy all season that 200 is hers. It seems like she lost at lease 20lbs and seems very fit. With her weight loss I'm sure she will be able to run much faster.
When is VCB next indoor meet. She really needs to work on her starts.

[jazzcyclist]

If VCB stays healthy all season that 200 is hers. It seems like she lost at lease 20lbs and seems very fit. With her weight loss I'm sure she will be able to run much faster.
When is VCB next indoor meet. She really needs to work on her starts.

20 pounds? That's a lot of weight loss for someone at her level. A little hyperbole perhaps?

[26mi235]

I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year

She ran 7.08, which is a far cry from 6.9x, and that with a start that some knowledgeable posters think is of questionable legality. Tack on a mere 0.02 and she is not even in the 7.0x range. A couple of seasons ago she had stellar indoor marks (had sixes in them) and she still was not ranked first. Given the progress that Jeter made last season (medalling and then taking the last big prize) if she continues on that trajectory (difficult to stay on that rate of improvement) VCB will not have an easy time dispatching her. The (.) indicates that I do not think that it is that likely but I would put it in the 10-20% range, part of which is there because I think that there is a chance that she will get an FS (although less likely in the 200).

[running4life]

VCB is the indoors and out doors world champion nuff said. I love how people like to down play VCB achievements. I see she is on her way to third gold medal.

[26mi235]

The 60 is most relevant to the 100; not that it is irrelevant to the 200, but they are not remotely predictive of each other and she is not the reigning champion in the distance relevant to your assertions (has she ever been?).

[guru]

Obviously a better start definitely helps VCB against the late-charging Felix in the 200. But the gap has grown so much that I'm not sure it matters anymore.

Give VCB credit - she has not been hesitant to make coaching changes when change is called for, with positive results.

[running4life]

First of all VCB knows that her chances are better in the 200.She herself said that to win the third gold in the 200 would be special to her. She only runs the 100 because she is good at it.
VCB doesn't need me to defend her after all,we are talking about someone whom placed 4th in 09 in the 100 at worlds and won a sliver medal in the 200 and then was kicked off the relay team. Only to come back two years later winning two slivers and a gold. Talk about the heart of a true champion. Down play her achievements all you want that will not stop her from making history.
And the world would be in trouble if she decide to drop the 100 and focus only on the 200 it would be 2008 all over again.

[ATK]

and then was kicked off the relay team.

Are you sure about that...

[Alucard]

and she is not the reigning champion in the distance relevant to your assertions (has she ever been?).

Name us a distance she contest that she has not been champion at? Keep trying to discredit the most successful female sprinter ever.

[ATK]

and she is not the reigning champion in the distance relevant to your assertions (has she ever been?).

Name us a distance she contest that she has not been champion at? Keep trying to discredit the most successful female sprinter ever.

Contested the 400m early season last year.

[jazzcyclist]

If VCB doubles in London and Felix only runs the 200, history tells that Felix will win 200 gold. The only time VCB has been able to beat Felix in this scenario is in 2004 when Felix was still a pubescent teenager.

[running4life]

Whatever the last time Allyson beat VCB was in 09 thats three years ago.Moving on.

[ATK]

Whatever the last time Allyson beat VCB was in 09 thats three years ago.Moving on.

Yo say it as if between then they raced many times and VCB wiped the floor with her. They have raced twice in 2 years. 1 time VCB won by a hair, and the next time was Felix finishing off a 4-2 double at worlds. Doesn't really tell me much about what to expect this year.

[chuku69]

I was @ the us open meet @ MSG and homegirl already is in great shape! If she is in shape by London who is gonna come off that turn faster than her? She will 3peat. VCB 3peat that's the slogan this year :lol:

She ran 7.08, which is a far cry from 6.9x, and that with a start that some knowledgeable posters think is of questionable legality. Tack on a mere 0.02 and she is not even in the 7.0x range. A couple of seasons ago she had stellar indoor marks (had sixes in them) and she still was not ranked first. Given the progress that Jeter made last season (medalling and then taking the last big prize) if she continues on that trajectory (difficult to stay on that rate of improvement) VCB will not have an easy time dispatching her. The (.) indicates that I do not think that it is that likely but I would put it in the 10-20% range, part of which is there because I think that there is a chance that she will get an FS (although less likely in the 200).

She ran 50meters in 6.08 my friend not 60m. Get it right. VCB 3peat!!!

[TrackDaddy]

Oh Guru of all things track... I think it depends on the angle one takes when cutting over. Nevertheless my point was that predicted potential based on super human second (any) leg splits arent often repli/dupli-cated or repeated in the open event.

Felix' open 400 -which is very good- is an example of that.

[Alan Shank]

Speculation, speculation. None of us knows or can even make a very knowledgeable guess as to what will happen -- too many variables. This is really just j%*%*$*$*ing off!

So, here's my take.
If Felix runs one individual event and the relays, I think her best shot for a gold is the 400. She came very, very close to gold in Daegu.

The 200 looks harder, to me, because of VCB and, especially, Jeter, who has top-end equal to either VCB or Felix, a 100-m start and likely will be stronger at the end than last year.

I don't have a "dog in this race", as far as rooting for anyone. I don't care who wins.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA USA

[Cam9412]

This is my solution to the problem:

Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.

[ATK]

This is my solution to the problem:

Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.

Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies

[Speedster]

This is my solution to the problem:

Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.

Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies

I think the chances for the JAM ladies are as good as anyone's. VCB seems in good early form and Simpson has run a strong 400m outside. If Stewart and Fraser-Pryce can get close to their best, they are going to be hard to beat.

[ATK]

This is my solution to the problem:

Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.

Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies

I think the chances for the JAM ladies are as good as anyone's. VCB seems in good early form and Simpson has run a strong 400m outside. If Stewart and Fraser-Pryce can get close to their best, they are going to be hard to beat.

I would agree but if you look at the american team that beat the fastest Jamaican team ever. You have Jeter and Myers, you had a Filix after all her WC running, and finally Bianca Knight. Knight could be replaced with a certain sprinter who is showing much better form than VCB right now. Felix will possibly only be doing 1 individual event. And the US women have a much deeper pool of talent to choose from compared to the jamaicans.

[jazzcyclist]

I would agree but if you look at the american team that beat the fastest Jamaican team ever. You have Jeter and Myers, you had a Filix after all her WC running, and finally Bianca Knight. Knight could be replaced with a certain sprinter who is showing much better form than VCB right now. Felix will possibly only be doing 1 individual event. And the US women have a much deeper pool of talent to choose from compared to the jamaicans.

In Daegu, Knight did a good job, based on her positioning compared to Shelly Ann Fraser. At most she gave up a meter to someone with 10.7 spped. The weak link in that race was Felix. Her acceleration was absolutely abyssmal, giving away a couple of meters before she even got out of the zone. Part of the problem was that she started from a two-point stance instead of a three-point stance. It's hard enough to accelerate without starting blocks, so I don't know why she would compound the issue by starting from a two-point stance.

[guru]

The weak link in that race was Felix. Her acceleration was absolutely abyssmal, giving away a couple of meters before she even got out of the zone.

Though I disagree that Felix was the weak link, she can be excused if she were less than her normal 4x1 self with 2200m of racing clogging up her legs going into that 4x1 final at Worlds. As ATK said, that shouldnt be an issue in London. Add in a 10.9(or better) Madison taking over for the 11.22(2011 best) Knight, and it's time to start thinking sub-41.

Assuming, of course, the stick doesn't get rug-burn...

[trackfan22]

This is my solution to the problem:

Allyson should run the 200m only and so should VCB. This would be a fair shot to both and whoever wins deserves it. With this no one can complain about the other being tired as they both ran the same amount of rounds to qualify. After this VCB should run the 4x100m and Allyson should run the 4x400m and the both win a gold medal and be happy.

Unfortunately, a 4x100 gold is not really in favor of the Jamaican ladies

I think the chances for the JAM ladies are as good as anyone's. VCB seems in good early form and Simpson has run a strong 400m outside. If Stewart and Fraser-Pryce can get close to their best, they are going to be hard to beat.

I would agree but if you look at the american team that beat the fastest Jamaican team ever. You have Jeter and Myers, you had a Filix after all her WC running, and finally Bianca Knight. Knight could be replaced with a certain sprinter who is showing much better form than VCB right now. Felix will possibly only be doing 1 individual event. And the US women have a much deeper pool of talent to choose from compared to the jamaicans.

The fastest jamaican team ever , and they werent even @ their best. Kerron was a far cry from 10.75, shelly ann was not @ her best either, so too was sherone simpson who couldnt even break 11 sec.. rewind to 2008 when they were all close to their prime. That team to my knowledge is the only time i think to have 4 girls in sub 10.90 form on a 4x 100m ( in the same season)
additionally watching that race carefully the reason why jams lost it was because of lack of unity and egos. Americans did what was necessary to come out and execute they practiced @ meets. The Jams from 2008 have had issues lack of practice, led to a HORRIBLE baton pass between vcb and a woefully out of form sherone. Had sherone been close to her best she would have destroyed myers on that leg negating whatever horrible baton changes there were. But history wouldnt have that. I say potentially with practice and return to form jamaicans have the greater potential of running under 41.

Sherone running 51.4 is great signs , hope she remains fit

kerron last yr started her training late she says due to injury, hopefully she will return well

Fraser dont use her 400 as a guide her pb is 54 she hates it, i still think she can be double olympic champion in the 100 and 200 as long as she remains healthy

Vcb she is like fine wine they say. Hopefully no injuries

one of my biggest wish is for aleen bailey to see 10.9X this seasons..(just an aside) just because of her personality