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Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:33 am

I was just getting used to Kosencha's 1:44.08 and now this?!

Stop the madness!! :shock:

Aman's had a great season, improving his PR and NR throughout the year and making the Daegu final. He has an outside shot at a top-10 ranking.

As was pointed out on another thread, he now has 2 full years to go after Kaki's WJR of 1:42.69.

Here's a pic of this youthful-looking lad: :?

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/e8/fullj ... 341574.jpg
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Master Po » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:41 am

Thanks for sharing the picture -- he's growing up very nicely, into a fine young man.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Marlow » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:50 am

Master Po wrote:he's growing up

Incorrect verb tense.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Fielding Melish » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:44 pm

If I am reading the IAAF scoring tables correctly this is equivalent to a 3:31.73 for 1500m - a full two seconds faster than the WYB.

Also a 3:48.50 mile, better than even the WJR altho of course not so many opportunities to run mile races these days.

To think if he was in USA with an 18th birthday next Jan. he would most likley be starting junior year of high school...
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Master Po » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:33 pm

Marlow wrote:
Master Po wrote:he's growing up

Incorrect verb tense.


well, they do grow up fast! :wink:
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Elival » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:22 am

Would have been interesting to see Kosencha on the circuit also. What has he done more than that 1:44.08?
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby deanouk » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:57 am

Does everyone really believe these are genuine 17 year olds!?
I mean, they are at school and faster than Juantorena ran as a fully developed man.
Call me cynical, but I find it very hard to believe their d.o.b s
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Master Po » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:22 am

To be serious for a moment: I recognize that people mature at different rates, and I also recognize that in elite sports, we are looking at exceptional people in any case. Case in point from another sport, from the area where I live -- LeBron James was, to understate it by a lot, unlike other 18 year olds. Seeing him in the NBA right away without knowing his story, I would not have picked him out as 18yo.

This is one reason I don't pay much attention to WJ and WY records. I do follow the competitions -- after all, they are good athletics meets. However, with so much variability in accounting for birth dates, the performances considered as WY or WJ records inevitably invite skepticism (at least for me).

All that said, the athletic exploits of this young Ethiopian man are truly extraordinary if he is the stated age. But they're of interest regardless. And what interests me in this young man is that Ethiopia now has an elite level 800m runner. As anyone reading on here knows, their distance prowess has tended to be at 5k and up, and they have not produced the 800-1500 performers as has Kenya. Considerations of his age aside, it will be interesting to see how this athlete develops, and whether Ethiopia's athletics program will produce more at this level in this event.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby jeremyp » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:25 am

A perusing of the all time junior 800 list shows names of runners who went on to greatness and a bunch who did not. For me the only interest is how well this guy does in the years to come, not what he did as a (?)youngster(?)
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:33 am

jeremyp wrote:A perusing of the all time junior 800 list shows names of runners who went on to greatness and a bunch who did not. For me the only interest is how well this guy does in the years to come, not what he did as a (?)youngster(?)


Made me look.

This is an event where Jr success does indeed foretell Sr success.

1:42.69 Abubaker Kaki
1:43.37 Mohammed Aman
1:43.64 Japheth Kimutai
1:43.99 David Mutinda Mutua
1:44.02 Belal Mansoor Ali
1:44.08 Leonard Kirwa Kosencha
1:44.15 David Lekuta Rudisha
1:44.27 Majed Saeed Sultan
1:44.3 Jim Ryun
1:44.3 Joaquim Cruz
1:44.33 Yuriy Borzakovskiy
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby AS » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:59 pm

Elival wrote:Would have been interesting to see Kosencha on the circuit also. What has he done more than that 1:44.08?


he got beat on the weekend at the Commonwealth Youth Games (on Isle of Man):

1 4 82 Kitum Timothy KEN 1:49.32
2 5 83 Kosencha Leonard Kirwa KEN 1:50.62
3 2 33 Amos Nigel 1:50.42 BOT 1:51.07

http://cyg2011results.com/timetronics/event052h01.html
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Alucard » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:47 pm

Does everyone really believe these are genuine 17 year olds!?
I mean, they are at school and faster than Juantorena ran as a fully developed man.
Call me cynical, but I find it very hard to believe their d.o.b s


how a thread like this can remain open yet my girl vcb thread get closed just not right. :shock:
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby AS » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:49 pm

Aman is down to race again on Sept 13 in Rovereto. Fastest competitor is:
LEWANDOWSKI, Marcin

http://www.sportrentino.it/public/alleg ... nglese.pdf
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Powell » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:16 am

We can just forget his age and appreciate him for what he is - a world class 800 runner; the first one ever from Ethiopia at that.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:51 am

Fantu Magiso isn't far behind on the women's side. WC semi-finalist at 1:59.17. And she's only 19.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby DentyCracker » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:11 pm

Half Miler wrote:Fantu Magiso isn't far behind on the women's side. WC semi-finalist at 1:59.17. And she's only 19.

400m semifinalist at Daegu as well
PBs of 23.90 and 52.09 too!!!
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:16 pm

Aman's performance today in Brussels means he will surely net a top 10 world-ranking. Which begs the question: who is the youngest ever to rank in this event?
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:35 pm

Jim Ryun was pretty young
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:55 am

Well, well, well. Our Ethiopian teenager just stamped himself as a world-beater!

Has anyone seen the Milan race? Did Aman run down Rudisha in the stretch?
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Sasuke » Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:17 am

Half Miler wrote:Well, well, well. Our Ethiopian teenager just stamped himself as a world-beater!

Has anyone seen the Milan race? Did Aman run down Rudisha in the stretch?


I saw the race. The weather was terrible (a terrible deluge that prevented even Anna Chicerova from jumping, she stopped after clearing 1.96 with her first attempt) and the pace was a bit slower. Sammy Tangui covered the first lap in 50"1 and Rudisha passed at 600 metres in 1.17 with Aman just behind him. And in the final 100 metres Aman managed to overcome Rudisha passing him at 750 with the record holder not able to counter-attack.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:20 am

Thanks for the race description.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:16 pm

26mi235 wrote:Jim Ryun was pretty young


Ryun first ranked in 1966 when he was 19.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby berkeley » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:27 pm

Half Miler wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Jim Ryun was pretty young


Ryun first ranked in 1966 when he was 19.


Not so. He world ranked #4 in 1965, at 18. He ran a mile in 3:59 at 17 ... but that's still not in the same class as Aman's 1:43.5.

On the other hand, 1:43.5 was the world record 35 years ago, while Ryun's 3:59 was *way* faster than the WR 35 years before that in 1930 (4:10.4 by Nurmi). So, you could argue that 17 year old Ryun was further ahead of his time than Aman.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Half Miler » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:01 pm

berkeley wrote:Not so. He world ranked #4 in 1965, at 18


Yes so! :D I asked if Aman was the youngest ever to rank in the 800. Ryun first ranked in the 800 the following year, at 19.

17 year old Ryun was further ahead of his time than Aman.


I'm with you on that one, since I'm still having a hard time believing he's 17.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Madd Marine » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:05 pm

Here's the race vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_YQlJa6 ... r_embedded

Aman is 17. Plus another 4 - 6 years. He's no teen, lol. If a European runner were pulling this crap scores of people would be up on their hind legs yelling "BS".

He's fast, and may become a world beater. But a teenager? Nah. Here he is running against another "16 year old" :D : http://www.ericr.nl/m800/wyc11.jpg

And one more shot of him in his win over Rudisha - I have no doubt that he's OLDER than Rudisha. None at all: http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Photo/06/25/75/6 ... LL-PRT.jpg
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Pego » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:32 pm

Greg Oden or LeBron James certainly did not look 18/19 out of high school.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby berkeley » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:17 pm

Half Miler wrote:
berkeley wrote:Not so. He world ranked #4 in 1965, at 18


Yes so! :D I asked if Aman was the youngest ever to rank in the 800. Ryun first ranked in the 800 the following year, at 19.


Sorry, yes, I should have read the whole thread. Other notable youngsters have been
Steve Ovett (#8 in 1974 at 18) and his successor as Olympic champ, Joachim Cruz, 1:44.3 at 18.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby AS » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:35 pm

Click on this link and tell me how old you reckon #191 was:

http://athleticssuperstars.tripod.com/1973.gif

My guess is somewhere between 17-30!

I'm not convinced that estimating age by sight is a very reliable approach.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby PCSExponent » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:56 pm

AS wrote:Click on this link


Actually, don't. Higher chance of getting the image if you copy and paste it into your browser bar.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby lonewolf » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:08 pm

OK, who and how old is #191?
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby AS » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:02 pm

Ovett at 17 (winning Euro Jnr title in 1973)...
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby SantaCruz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:28 am

On the one hand I find it hard to believe, Aman is only 17 years old. On the other hand, Ethiopians seem to look older than other ethnicities by default. Who knows?

Anyway, beating Rudisha is pretty impressive at any age.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby PCSExponent » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:40 am

I know full well how accurate Ethiopian dating of homo sapiens off-springs is. my 0.02$:
1. In many cases over-age athletes are probably sent to youth/junior competitions without any intent/malice
2. I really don't care about his age. He might be a factor in senior global champs (medal?) as early as next year.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Powell » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:43 am

AS wrote:Ovett at 17 (winning Euro Jnr title in 1973)...


My impression was that no one on that picture looks like they're 19 or below. I guess people age differently nowadays than they did 40 years ago :P
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Marlow » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:04 am

Just watched the video. What a great sport Rudisha is!! He posed with the 'boy' after the race, genuinely smiling.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Madd Marine » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:35 am

Marlow wrote:Just watched the video. What a great sport Rudisha is!! He posed with the 'boy' after the race, genuinely smiling.


Yes, Rudisha was a good sport about it. He always comes off as a very good natured guy in interviews, the type that you simply can't begrudge success. Several fast races caught up with him, or he just had an off day. For him. Aman is a super talent.

I've never thought Ethiopians look older than other ethnicities "by default". In fact, many of them seem to look younger than they are. We have a sizable Ethiopian population in L.A., and it seems to be the same youthful look for many of them. A guy like Geb seems to be a rarity. But that's subjective, to others it could appear to be the opposite.

It's better to pay attention to how fast some of these guys are instead of paying attention to bogus claims about their ages. It happens here in the US as well. A couple of years ago the Footlocker XC winner was Ethiopian expatriate Solomon Haile who was obviously well over age. I do believe the stories that claim that a lot of these athletes don't know their true birthdate. I also think that officials in Kenya and Ethiopia, even when they do know an athlete's true birthdate, and positively know that the athlete in question is too old for youth and junior competitions, will still cook up bogus birth certificates and get the adults to line up against the kids just to jack up the medal count.

All that said, Aman is definitely a medal threat in London in my book. What that means, I'm not sure, as I felt Centrowitz didn't have a chance to get out of the heats in Daegu and he went out and proved me wrong. Very wrong, lol. In a good way. :D
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:25 am

Since this is not qualifying for and running away with Youth or Junior competitions, the focus on age really only relates to how they will be when they mature.

Thus, the question is whether is maturing very early and does not have as much upside as several more years of quick ascent from 17 to 19 (which is typical) with several more years thereafter of slow improvement. This, of course, would get him into 1:40 territory. So, is he going to be the 800m version of Bolt or similar to a number of others that became top-level runners but not outliers.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby gh » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:59 am

I've heard from a pretty reliable source that Aman's agent thinks he's probably 25.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby kuha » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:02 am

Sounds about right.

For the millionth time, none of us should get excited about these so-called "17-yr old" athletes on the basis of reputed age. The only thing that matters is their actual performances, which are impressive enough for any 25 yr. old.
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Re: Mohammed Aman: 1:43.37 at age 17

Postby Marlow » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:42 am

gh wrote:I've heard from a pretty reliable source that Aman's agent thinks he's probably 25.

Even factoring in the lack of record-keeping in some parts of rural Africa, certainly his parents and village know how old he is. How do athletes continue to 'get away' with this stuff (a lot like the Chinese gymnasts who were actually younger (i.e., ineligible) than they were alleged to be). It just doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to disprove the age claims. Are there no enterprising journalists who would like to blow the cover off this story?
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