Gabriella wrote:TrackDaddy, while I understand your point - SRR has a superior PB to the other current women - let's not exaggerate - it is NOT a 1 sec difference:
Richards-Ross 48.70 Krivoshapka 49.29 S. Williams 49.32 Kapachinskaya 49.35 Montsho 49.56 Felix 49.59 Ohuruogu 49.61 N. Williams Mills 49.63 Dunn & Trotter 49.64 Sanders 49.67 -- 1 sec is here--49.70
This is totally off the top of my head so it may be completely wrong but it occurs to me that many of these pb's were run at champs not on the GP circuit and Sanya's champs PB (after rounds) is 49.00 but she has been more likely to run high 49's, 50's or even 51 last year
Sherika Amantle Allyson Christine Nicola
all ran their PB's at a champs while Novelene has run within 0.03
It is only the RUS and Sanya who run significantly slower at champs v circuit
Well off the top of my head, it occurred to me that Sanya has run significantly faster in a championship final than any of them.
Which means that several of them may have pr'd while chasing her but ultimately they weren't close.
Actually thats not off the top of my head as you provided the data.
26mi235 wrote:mump, if we think of SRR as two cases: with symptoms and without, we get two different differentials. So, a key question is that a year with or without symptoms? So far, it seems 'at least fewer' is the case.
As for ATK, consider the 10.89w early in the season already for SRR. Also, how many of those are showing promise of being outright faster than SRR? Muna, as much as I like her (more than AF) has not shown much of late, for instance.
Exactly 26. My point was that Sanya is WORLD CLASS in the event. If she were to focus on the 200 clearly she'd be among the very elite.
Who else among these ladies is sub 11 AND sub 49?!?
Those distances are far apart so thats very difficult to do. Torrence and Perec-like.
Sanya ran 7.2x in the 60m as a 17 year old freshman and then won the 400m NCAA title the same year.
preston wrote:For Sanya Richards-Ross, the cure to the disease may be finding out she never really had it at all.
After spending five years fighting an autoimmune disease called Behcet’s syndrome, Richards-Ross now thinks she may have been misdiagnosed.
True but the lesions which covered her body (even in her mouth) came from somewhere. Pull the video; at times she was covered and suffering from weakness. There's video where she discusses how her husbands love warded off any insecurities from the scars. She always looked beautiful to me though.
preston wrote:For Sanya Richards-Ross, the cure to the disease may be finding out she never really had it at all.
After spending five years fighting an autoimmune disease called Behcet’s syndrome, Richards-Ross now thinks she may have been misdiagnosed.
True but the lesions which covered her body (even in her mouth) came from somewhere. Pull the video; at times she was covered and suffering from weakness. There's video where she discusses how her husbands love warded off any insecurities from the scars. She always looked beautiful to me though.
To me, Behçet never made much sense. I do not recall details from years ago, but that is what I said at that time. She had something pretty bad, but I did not think it was Behçet.
26mi235 wrote:mump, if we think of SRR as two cases: with symptoms and without, we get two different differentials. So, a key question is that a year with or without symptoms? So far, it seems 'at least fewer' is the case.
Exactly but i'm not sure we have 'fewer' this year. We've seen her having amazing seasons before but it all falls apart when rounds are involved.
I don't kno if it'e because of over confidence, lack of big race temperament, injury or illness but she hasn't done anything to suggest to me that she is a shoe in for 400m this year, especially considering past performances.
The idea that she has 1 sec advantage over everyone else is total nonsense
Gabriella wrote:TrackDaddy, while I understand your point - SRR has a superior PB to the other current women - let's not exaggerate - it is NOT a 1 sec difference:
Richards-Ross 48.70 Krivoshapka 49.29 S. Williams 49.32 Kapachinskaya 49.35 Montsho 49.56 Felix 49.59 Ohuruogu 49.61 N. Williams Mills 49.63 Dunn & Trotter 49.64 Sanders 49.67 -- 1 sec is here--49.70
This is totally off the top of my head so it may be completely wrong but it occurs to me that many of these pb's were run at champs not on the GP circuit and Sanya's champs PB (after rounds) is 49.00 but she has been more likely to run high 49's, 50's or even 51 last year
Sherika Amantle Allyson Christine Nicola
all ran their PB's at a champs while Novelene has run within 0.03
It is only the RUS and Sanya who run significantly slower at champs v circuit
Well off the top of my head, it occurred to me that Sanya has run significantly faster in a championship final than any of them.
Which means that several of them may have pr'd while chasing her but ultimately they weren't close.
Actually thats not off the top of my head as you provided the data.
26mi235 wrote:mump, if we think of SRR as two cases: with symptoms and without, we get two different differentials. So, a key question is that a year with or without symptoms? So far, it seems 'at least fewer' is the case.
Exactly but i'm not sure we have 'fewer' this year. We've seen her having amazing seasons before but it all falls apart when rounds are involved.
I don't kno if it'e because of over confidence, lack of big race temperament, injury or illness but she hasn't done anything to suggest to me that she is a shoe in for 400m this year, especially considering past performances.
I would agree, but it also wouldn't make sense to make an argument for anyone else at this point in time. (not saying you are)
Wrote about her BBC interview last night in the Tyson Gay thread and Sanya also talked about pressure and the Beijing final. From the interview she knows she let the pressure get to her, ran too hard too early and didn't run the race that she was capable of, it was her only loss of 2008.
I've not heard or seen her interviewed much before but I thought she came across well, she's obviously comfortable with the media but not in an arrogant way.
2010 she was injured but in 2011 it seemed like she got caught in her pre 2009 cycle of not getting her race plan right.
Her Berlin final is her perfect race, if she can get back there, she'll win.
TrackDaddy wrote:Exactly 26. My point was that Sanya is WORLD CLASS in the event. If she were to focus on the 200 clearly she'd be among the very elite.
Who else among these ladies is sub 11 AND sub 49?!?
Those distances are far apart so thats very difficult to do. Torrence and Perec-like.
Sanya ran 7.2x in the 60m as a 17 year old freshman and then won the 400m NCAA title the same year.
Thats range.
But you keep using PR's to measure what an athlete can do right now and only for Sanya and no other athlete. Sanya has run both her 400m and 200m PR 6 years ago. She is not world class in the event. She has shown nothing to indicate that in the past 3 years. Yes she has shown that she can probably compete with the top 100m with her windy Texas run, and yes that would probably imply that she is capable of a fast 200 right now. But your using her PR's from more than half a decade ago to argue that she can compete with the best ladies.
If Felix seriously focused on the 400 and not the 200 since 2004, whos to say that she would not be faster than Sanya?
26mi235 wrote:mump, if we think of SRR as two cases: with symptoms and without, we get two different differentials. So, a key question is that a year with or without symptoms? So far, it seems 'at least fewer' is the case.
Exactly but i'm not sure we have 'fewer' this year. We've seen her having amazing seasons before but it all falls apart when rounds are involved.
I don't kno if it'e because of over confidence, lack of big race temperament, injury or illness but she hasn't done anything to suggest to me that she is a shoe in for 400m this year, especially considering past performances.
I would agree, but it also wouldn't make sense to make an argument for anyone else at this point in time. (not saying you are)
I'm definitely not. If Sanya is in top form and can deal with the rounds and her champs demons like she did in Berlin then she will win. If she's not/can't then there are a number of people who might
preston wrote:For Sanya Richards-Ross, the cure to the disease may be finding out she never really had it at all.
After spending five years fighting an autoimmune disease called Behcet’s syndrome, Richards-Ross now thinks she may have been misdiagnosed.
True but the lesions which covered her body (even in her mouth) came from somewhere. Pull the video; at times she was covered and suffering from weakness. There's video where she discusses how her husbands love warded off any insecurities from the scars. She always looked beautiful to me though.
To me, Behçet never made much sense. I do not recall details from years ago, but that is what I said at that time. She had something pretty bad, but I did not think it was Behçet.
You sure did, Doc.
In fact when I first heard about the misdiagnosis I thought of you, sir. What do you believe has caused her lesions? They are quite visible at times. I would love to help her get well.
BTW...Do you take United Health Care? Aetna? Cash?
I have swelling in my knees after elliptcal sessions at the gym. Ice helps.
What do you think about chondroitin glucosamine? Does it really work or is it a placebo? If you answer, will it cost me?
Speedster wrote:Wrote about her BBC interview last night in the Tyson Gay thread and Sanya also talked about pressure and the Beijing final. From the interview she knows she let the pressure get to her, ran too hard too early and didn't run the race that she was capable of, it was her only loss of 2008.
I've not heard or seen her interviewed much before but I thought she came across well, she's obviously comfortable with the media but not in an arrogant way.
2010 she was injured but in 2011 it seemed like she got caught in her pre 2009 cycle of not getting her race plan right.
Her Berlin final is her perfect race, if she can get back there, she'll win.
Good post, friend. I never really liked the whole undefeated thing going into the final (The Pats found that out vs the Giants a few years ago). Undefeated seasons are nice, but getting a loss out of the way can advance focus. As you mentioned, Berlin. When Sanya lost in Jamaica that year in May, people buried her. But she changed her race model and started dropping 48s and low 49s. I predict the same thing this year. She got away from the model this year in Jamaica and a part of me is glad she did. With the shape shes in I can see her going 48 mid in the London final if shes patient and adheres to her marks.
mump boy wrote:Er so she's not 1 sec faster then is she
good god you talk rubbish
Yes, as I originally stated her pr is a FULL second faster than that of MOST professional 400m runners.
Sanya's gonna blast the bats from the belfry of Windsor Castle. Put Scotland Yard on notice.
That's not what you said
'she's a FULL SECOND FASTER than most of the world in her primary event'
everyone's a full second faster than MOST of their competitors !! but she is not a full second ahead of her rivals which negates your point that she would double more successfully than anyone else as she could 'use that advantage to conserve for the other one'. It's not the people 1 second behind her she has to worry about, it's those who have finished ahead of her in championships every single time (bar Berlin) she's run one (and the time she didn't even make it)
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mump boy wrote:Er so she's not 1 sec faster then is she
good god you talk rubbish
Yes, as I originally stated her pr is a FULL second faster than that of MOST professional 400m runners.
Sanya's gonna blast the bats from the belfry of Windsor Castle. Put Scotland Yard on notice.
That's not what you said
'she's a FULL SECOND FASTER than most of the world in her primary event'
everyone's a full second faster than MOST of their competitors !! but she is not a full second ahead of her rivals which negates your point that she would double more successfully than anyone else as she could 'use that advantage to conserve for the other one'. It's not the people 1 second behind her she has to worry about, it's those who have finished ahead of her in championships every single time (bar Berlin) she's run one (and the time she didn't even make it)
You cleared that up.
Pretty good at Scrabble, eh?
We can see that while I didn't repost my statement verbatim, I didn't change the context.
We can also see that Sanya's pr is either significantly faster or very close to if not a full second ahead of EVERYONE else in the WORLD.
EVERYONE.
Including .86 or more faster than her closest current rivals... the gold and silver medalists from Daegu.
mump boy wrote:Er so she's not 1 sec faster then is she
good god you talk rubbish
Yes, as I originally stated her pr is a FULL second faster than that of MOST professional 400m runners.
Sanya's gonna blast the bats from the belfry of Windsor Castle. Put Scotland Yard on notice.
everyone's a full second faster than MOST of their competitors !!
True... and especially as the distance increases...
That's not true.
"Everyone" can't be a full second faster than most of their competitors because "EVERYONE" includes the competitors. And, of course, some of them-as I stated earlier- are a "full second" behind.
TrackDaddy wrote: Sanya's gonna blast the bats from the belfry of Windsor Castle.
She can if she likes but everyone else will be in Stratford
Oh look, its Flumpy. Sup Flump.
Yeah I know, thanks. She'll be in Stratford with them yeah uh huh... dropping a 48 and change. Tell the exterminator his services are no longer needed. He can Give up the Funk for the Down Stroke. Parliament can use trained sniffers aka Atomic Dogs and Sir Nose to confirm the belfry is no longer (not just) Knee Deep in bats with Maggot Brains. Scotland Yard should bring a Flashlight and their Bop Gun to eliminate any remaining pests.
Star Child (Sanya) will glide in on the Mothership, make Connection, and turn Straford into Chocolate City. Feet don't fail me now. When she's done GB will be One Nation under a Groove until the Starship returns to home base (the US) by air.
TrackDaddy wrote: Sanya's gonna blast the bats from the belfry of Windsor Castle.
She can if she likes but everyone else will be in Stratford
Oh look, its Flumpy. Sup Flump.
Yeah I know, thanks. She'll be in Stratford with them yeah uh huh... dropping a 48 and change. Tell the exterminator his services are no longer needed. He can Give up the Funk for the Down Stroke. Parliament can use trained sniffers aka Atomic Dogs and Sir Nose to confirm the belfry is no longer (not just) Knee Deep in bats with Maggot Brains. Scotland Yard should bring a Flashlight and their Bop Gun to eliminate any remaining pests.
Star Child (Sanya) will glide in on the Mothership, make Connection, and turn Straford into Chocolate City. Feet don't fail me now. When she's done GB will be One Nation under a Groove until the Starship returns to home base (the US) by air.
BTW...Celebrations will be dry. I hate water.
Never mind Windsor castle or Parliament, you'd better check out Bedlam
This will be very interesting. There are potentially 5 women now all serious contenders. Felix, Duncan, Jeter, SRR, and Madison, the latter 2 proving themselves in NY today. I still think Felix's 200 competitiveness will give her the win assuming she goes for the 100 not the 400.
t_monk wrote:Sanya intends to try for the 400/200 double at trials it seems. What are her chances?
With her current form I think she sweeps both at the Trials, where she will have a three day break between the 400 final and first round of 200. Olympic sked a different story of course.
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in the London final if shes patient and adheres to her marks.
