Felix: Sucessful Double?

[ATK]

Does anyone think the double was in anyway successful? She won a silver medal in the 400 and won a bronze medal in the 200.
I personally think it was a good but failed attempt. No gold medals and in her favorite vent she was 3rd, behind VCB and Jeter a new comer to the event.
I think it was successful in giving her the clear message that the double in London is impossible and she could potentially not even make the 200 podium after a double there.

[guru]

It's hard to see how it could be construed as a success in any way. No individual gold, including bronze in her flagship event, and times were nothing to write home about. Yes, I know she technically PR'd in the 400, but we all know her 48.0 split in '07 is a superior mark, converting conservatively to 49.0 in the open.

It will be interesting to see what her body is able to bring to the relay(s)

[ATK]

Her quotes from after the race.

“I’m disappointed and tired; it was quite the combination. Still no regrets. Definitely, I wouldn’t have changed anything as far as going for the double, but definitely a little disappointed tonight. I think I ran with a lot of heart, because that is about what was left for me.

“I just tried to put the race together, and looking back my turnover just wasn’t really there. I tried to gut it out, but it didn’t come together.

“All I can think about is next year; I’m just motivated for next year. I think that 200 meters is going to be the most important thing to me. This was all about a learning experience and I definitely learned a lot.”


I would take that as the 400 is out of the question.

[Half Miler]

Whether or not it was successful, I applaud Felix for attempting this. We need more gutsy athletes, pushing the boundaries of what they can accomplish.

[Cam9412]

No matter what she or anyone else says she has gained about 10+ points with me on my favorite athletes list some including Evelyn Ashford, VCB, Tyson Gay, Gail Devers and a few others. I have so much respect for her that she has tried what some thought was impossible and even though she may have not gotten the results she wanted she proved to me and others that she is courageous and a fighter. I wish AF much luck and success in the future.

[DJG]

Does anyone think the double was in anyway successful? She won a silver medal in the 400 and won a bronze medal in the 200.
I personally think it was a good but failed attempt. No gold medals and in her favorite vent she was 3rd, behind VCB and Jeter a new comer to the event.
I think it was successful in giving her the clear message that the double in London is impossible and she could potentially not even make the 200 podium after a double there.

From the very beginning I have posted that I thought Allyson should do the Daegu Double.
I think she was very successful. Her 400 race with Montsho was terrific. Although, I believe she went out too fast and that if she could have kept from drifting to the right edge of the lane at the finish she may have won. (She likely ran harder in the first round than necessary).
If she raced Montsho 5 times, Allyson would win 3 or 4 of them.
As for the 200, she was looking for a new challenge. The lesson she and her coach probably learned from this double attempt: you better be the best in both events if you attempt to double.
The real question is: Can Allyson improve her 400 and 200 times next year?
I can't see why not. Does that mean she should double in London? Only if the schedule allows it and only if her times in both improlve next year.
To me, medals in both meant success for Felix. Double Gold is not the sole measure of success the first time you try the 400-200 double.
Allyson is world-class in every sense. Daegu was a success, as I see it.

[guru]

Whether or not it was successful, I applaud Felix for attempting this. We need more gutsy athletes, pushing the boundaries of what they can accomplish.

I could not agree more with this. She's a tremendous athlete(regulars around here know I consider her the US's most talented all around sprinter in history) who deserves all the credit in the world for taking the shot.

[NotSoOrdinary]

She very nearly won that 400m gold. I'm pretty sure if you had asked ANYONE a year ago, hell even 5 months ago if they had thought, Allyson Felix, a 200m runner would be 3 hundredths of a second off of 400m gold ON the WORLDS STAGE, never having handled the rounds before, against SEASONED 400m runners, many of whom had BETTER times over 1,213 feet, I think you would've got a RESOUNDING NO. The 400 was by far the most exciting race of the meet, and as a track fan that is all I can ask. Allyson doubling this championships has made my heart beat faster, screams louder, and fist pumps harder. There is nothing more I can ask for. And there is very little doubt in my mind, that if she had more rest she wouldn't have been relegated to bronze in the 200.


Therefore, I declare thee A SUCCESS!!

[Daisy]

I think you would've got a RESOUNDING NO.

On what grounds do you assume this?

Whether or not it was successful, I applaud Felix for attempting this. We need more gutsy athletes, pushing the boundaries of what they can accomplish.

I could not agree more with this. She's a tremendous athlete(regulars around here know I consider her the US's most talented all around sprinter in history) who deserves all the credit in the world for taking the shot.

Exactly, watching the double attempt has made this championship excellent. And despite what NSO might assume, I, for one, was rooting for her. Is it really impossible to have an objective discussion around here?

[NotSoOrdinary]

I think you would've got a RESOUNDING NO.

On what grounds do you assume this?

Whether or not it was successful, I applaud Felix for attempting this. We need more gutsy athletes, pushing the boundaries of what they can accomplish.

I could not agree more with this. She's a tremendous athlete(regulars around here know I consider her the US's most talented all around sprinter in history) who deserves all the credit in the world for taking the shot.

Exactly, watching the double attempt has made this championship excellent. And despite what NSO might assume, I, for one, was rooting for her. Is it really impossible to have an objective discussion around here?

Well seeing that ever since it was even hinted that she'd double, every 400m race of hers was picked apart here. Many said she couldn't handle rounds, many said she shouldn't do the 400m because she wasn't better than the majority of her competition, many said her pb was old and irrelevant, many started there 'I told you so's' when Sanya ran 49.66, a time Allyson had never ran before. If you're going to sit here and argue with me that everyone or even a large amount of people on this board predicted Allyson Felix to be this = close to getting gold, while leaving Sanya, Kapa, Krivo, Novlene, Shericka, and Francena IN THE DUST, then it's obvious that all you want is...my attention

And I too was rooting for her.

[t_monk]

ANYONE a year ago, hell even 5 months ago if they had thought, Allyson Felix, a 200m runner would be 3 hundredths of a second off of 400m gold ON the WORLDS STAGE, never having handled the rounds before, against SEASONED 400m runners, many of whom had BETTER times over 1,213 feet, I think you would've got a RESOUNDING NO.

Anyone... and I say ANYONE who thought that Allyson would or could not win gold in the 400m if she focused on it as far back as from 2008 would just be a hater or blind...

From that 48.0 relay split she put herself in the talk for a 400m runner and just watching the way she runs the 200 says this all. I actually think she could probably whoop Sanya (at her best) if Allyson focuses solely at that distance.

Allyson being able to win the 400m was never the doubt... Her being able to win or even run the 400 and still have that pop in the 200m, 4x100 and 4x400... That is where the cookie crumble...

That being said I agree with you with her double being a success if you take everything into perspective. Yes... she didn't win double gold but she still did something that I don't think most athletes male or female can ever do. Even though she got a silver in the 400 (losing out by 0.03) and got a bronze in the 200. I think that both her races was seriously hampered by bad conditions and I would presume that 400 closer to 49.00 at least.

Should she do it again? I don't think so... She would not fair well I dare say... but she did damn well, far better than most would have ever done. Allyson is easily not my second favorite US athlete running now (behind Muna Lee).

[Flumpy]

I have so much respect for her that she has tried what some thought was impossible and even though she may have not gotten the results she wanted she proved to me and others that she is courageous and a fighter. I wish AF much luck and success in the future.

THIS^^^

With three 200m golds already it's wonder she wanted to try something new and the 200m been first it may have been another story.

And with at least 1 more race to go she could easily come home with G/S/B.

I think she did great.

[Moura]

Felix did not appear in medal cerimony of 200m!!!!

[Daisy]

then it's obvious that all you want is...my attention

Well you have that wrong. Another example of everything being black and white to you.

[efua ninsin]

i am sure allyson came to the meet gunning for double gold, she fell short, so i wouldn't deem it a success. But I am sure she is somewhat content that she was able to attempt such a feat and almost reaped golden benefits in the 400m.

[mal]

i am sure allyson came to the meet gunning for double gold, she fell short, so i wouldn't deem it a success. But I am sure she is somewhat content that she was able to attempt such a feat and almost reaped golden benefits in the 400m.

Not a success for her. I think she wanted golds, and anything less was a disappointment I think she made a mistake in the 400 which led to her losing, and I really think that hurt her mentally in the 200. I think her dobber was down.

Comment this morning was that they think the double was her coach's idea and not hers. That could also lead to mental issues that impacted her races.

[3]

As Felix put it out there and tried, she succeeded. She's not afraid to fail. Failure provides her the most incredible opportunity to discover what went wrong and the best opportunity to make corrections. She's faced the adversity, now it's on to the spoils in 2012.

What a crazy & fun ride it's been! I have NO regrets, never be afraid to fail. It was such an honor to be on the 4x4 relay tonight and I'm thrilled we brought home the GOLD! One more race to go...4x1.

[ATK]

Like many said Allyson Deserves so much respect, and its amazing, how many(including myself) doubted her strength for the relays, but she came through and performed.

Oh she didnt show up for the ceremony because she was warming up for the 4x4 relay apparently.

[Flumpy]

2 Gold
1 Silver
1 Bronze

What a loser

[t_monk]

Best relay runner ever?

[Flumpy]

No.

[efua ninsin]

Best relay runner ever?

naw she always have a good crop runners around her.

[efua ninsin]

2 Gold
1 Silver
1 Bronze

What a loser

nobody is saying that but i am sure she wanted it to be 4 golds.
anything less is not a success in her book

[ATK]

2 Gold
1 Silver
1 Bronze

What a loser

nobody is saying that but i am sure she wanted it to be 4 golds.
anything less is not a success in her book

Agreed that's why I said it was a failed attempt, only really because of the 200, where she definitely didn't finish in a spot she is satisfied with. I'm looking at it from her eyes.
But double aside, the relays really showed us what she is made of and the type of athlete she is.

[t_monk]

Best relay runner ever?

naw she always have a good crop runners around her.

Probably up there though... her history is impeccable... Never losing in a relay at a majors...
2007: 4x100 and 4x400 gold
2008: 4x400 gold
2009: 4x400 gold
2011: 4x100 and 4x400 gold
She should be on every US 4x100/4x400 team as their own lil good lick charm, lol.

[efua ninsin]

and every one of those teams could have probably won without her. she is good relay runner but i think to determine the best ever the person would have to have a significant impact on the outcome of the race.

[t_monk]

and every one of those teams could have probably won without her. she is good relay runner but i think to determine the best ever the person would have to have a significant impact on the outcome of the race.

None of those 4x400's (except maybe 2009) wins without Felix.
2007 4x100 doesn't win without Feix either.

[ATK]

and every one of those teams could have probably won without her. she is good relay runner but i think to determine the best ever the person would have to have a significant impact on the outcome of the race.

I would say the only relay she had the least impact was the 4x100 that was just run.
The 100m leg in Osaka was phenomonal, and every 4x4 leg she has run she was one of the best carriers, if not the best.
Felix is up there.

[vip]

Any love shown for Felix for attempting the double in Daegu should be 4 times more shown for Perec for, you know, actually pulling it off.

And setting a 400 OR in the process.

And also running legs in both relay teams (which weren't as strong as Allyson's).

And not having any "rest days" in between.

[vip]

While Felix is indeed one of the truly great relay racers in US history (if not all-time), she can't hold a baton to the King.

Oh, and has she ever run anchor?

[Master Po]

Agree w the positive assessments of her effort, and also with those who have observed that they now hold her in higher esteem than before. True for me, as well. Recognizing that the best athletes will tend to see anything less than victory as disappointment, I still see it as success. (And note, in passing, that were this meet scored as a team meet, one might be appreciating the points she put up for her team -- but that's an aside.)

2 relay golds. I guess they can be quibbled with one way or another, as can anything on here. But, they are 2 relay golds. So that's a success.

Re the 400, it's hard for me not to see that as some very high category of success, even if it isn't gold. I know she's got a fast 400 relay leg on her resume somewhere, but as far as real, open 400 running goes, this is her lifetime best, by .11, which was set 4 years ago in a Grand Prix meet. Thus, she beat her open PB by .11, in a championship meet, after the rounds. I find that very impressive, and what it took to beat AF was another great athlete running the race of her life. In my view, regarding silver medal performances, that's impressive. I count it as success.

200 is more a disappointment, and in this case has much more room for argument -- how well she would have done had she not run the 400? Would she have won? For me, that's not certain. I do think she would have been up one more step in the medals, but not sure about two. But that's all speculation anyway.

All said and done, I appreciate her taking on the challenge. Lots of respect for her.

[Daisy]

Is Felix going for the double again?

Instead of focusing her energy on the 200 meters, which is her signature event, Felix is bucking conventional wisdom and using up valuable training time to prepare to compete in the 400 meters, too.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 91778.html

[guru]

Yawn. Another day, another London plan out of the Felix camp.

Perhaps it's finally setting in that the 400 is her best shot at an individual Olympic gold, though the resurgence of Richards-Ross - if she carries it through to London and gets back into the 48's - would put a serious dent in those odds as well. And if Felix does try the double - with no off days in between - well then may God have mercy on her soul in that 200.

[gh]

I'm still trying to figure out what Felix ever did to draw such a never-ending cascade of scorn. She's polite, friendly, deferential to her rivals, never a bad word.

And she's brave enough to take on difficult tasks. I just don't get it.

[guru]

I'm still trying to figure out what Felix ever did to draw such a never-ending cascade of scorn.

scorn(skôrn) Noun: The feeling or belief that someone or something is worthless or despicable; contempt.


Oh, I think that's a bit harsh, and perhaps her better qualities are what keeps her from seeking greener training pastures. Nevertheless, the fact remains she's been on a downhill slope since '07, her '09 World 200 gold notwithstanding. And the sliding gameplan for London does not instill confidence. Indeed, it appears that, four months out, they're still not sure which tack to take.