¶2011 WC: m110H—Robles DQed; Richardson Gold!


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¶2011 WC: m110H—Robles DQed; Richardson Gold!

Postby Marlow » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:06 pm

T&FN's Form Chart

1. Dayron Robles (Cuba)..................... 12.87 (’08)
2. David Oliver (USA) .......................... 12.89 (’10)
3. Xiang Liu (China)............................. 12.88 (’06)
4. Jason Richardson (USA) ............... 13.08 (’11)
5. Dwight Thomas (Jamaica) .............. 13.15 (’11)
6. Andy Turner (Great Britain) ............ 13.22 (’11)
7. Aries Merritt (USA) .......................... 13.09 (’07)
8. Dongpeng Shi (China)..................... 13.19 (’07)
9. Andrew Riley (Jamaica) .................. 13.32 (’11)
10. Ryan Brathwaite (Barbados) ........ 13.14 (’09)

Can Oliver return to sub-13 form?
Is Liu fully fit?
Can Richardson break up the Big Three?
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Re: 2011 WC: 110H

Postby uakari » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:01 pm

1. liu
2. robles
3. richardson
4. oliver
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Re: 2011 WC: 110H

Postby Amaru523 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:04 pm

David Oliver will bring it in Daegu, don't sleep on him.

1. Oliver
2. Robles
3. Liu Xiang
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Re: 2011 WC: 110H

Postby Weights&Shoes » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:30 pm

Amaru523 wrote:David Oliver will bring it in Daegu, don't sleep on him.

1. Oliver
2. Robles
3. Liu Xiang


Nope.

1 - Xiang
2 - Robles
3 - Damn it's hard, but I'll say Oliver due to experience over Richardson.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:52 pm

ROLR
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Weights&Shoes » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:31 am

110 Metres Hurdles - M Heats
first 3 of each heat (Q) plus the 4 fastest times (q) qualified.


Heat 1
Sunday 28 August 2011 - 9:50
Lane Bib Athlete Country 2011 PB
1 463 Andrew Turner [GREAT BRITAIN & N.I.] GBR 13.22 13.22
2 965 Andreas Kundert [SWITZERLAND] SUI 13.57 13.41
3 925 Sergey Shubenkov [RUSSIA] RUS 13.46 13.46
4 492 Willi Mathiszik [GERMANY] GER 13.48 13.48
5 246 Xiang Liu [PR OF CHINA] CHN 13.00 12.88
6 166 Ryan Brathwaite [BARBADOS] BAR 13.54 13.14
7 732 Ahmad Hazer [LEBANON] LIB 14.06 14.06
8 600 Richard Phillips [JAMAICA] JAM 13.40 13.39


Heat 2
Sunday 28 August 2011 - 9:58
Lane Bib Athlete Country 2011 PB
1 519 Konstadínos Douvalídis [GREECE] GRE 13.51 13.46
2 230 Ronald Forbes [CAYMAN ISLANDS] CAY 13.50 13.50
3 1114 Jason Richardson [UNITED STATES] USA 13.08 13.08
4 824 Dominik Bochenek [POLAND] POL 13.44 13.44
5 608 Dwight Thomas [JAMAICA] JAM 13.15 13.15
6 487 Alexander John [GERMANY] GER 13.45 13.35
7 533 Balázs Baji [HUNGARY] HUN 13.58 13.58
8 436 Lawrence Clarke [GREAT BRITAIN & N.I.] GBR 13.58 13.58


Heat 3
Sunday 28 August 2011 - 10:06
Lane Bib Athlete Country 2011 PB
1 459 William Sharman [GREAT BRITAIN & N.I.] GBR 13.47 13.30
2 739 Kim Fai Iong [MACAO] MAC 14.71 14.71
3 1108 David Oliver [UNITED STATES] USA 12.94 12.89
4 864 Héctor Cotto [PUERTO RICO] PUR 13.54 13.54
5 239 Fan Jiang [PR OF CHINA] CHN 13.49 13.49
6 602 Andrew Riley [JAMAICA] JAM 13.32 13.32
7 400 Dimitri Bascou [FRANCE] FRA 13.37 13.37
8 881 Lehann Fourie [SOUTH AFRICA] RSA 13.56 13.44


Heat 4
Sunday 28 August 2011 - 10:14
Lane Bib Athlete Country 2011 PB
1 468 Erik Balnuweit [GERMANY] GER 13.49 13.49
2 1098 Aries Merritt [UNITED STATES] USA 13.12 13.09
3 268 Paulo Villar [COLOMBIA] COL 13.52 13.29
4 286 Dayron Robles [CUBA] CUB 13.04 12.87
5 247 Dongpeng Shi [PR OF CHINA] CHN 13.44 13.19
6 698 Tae-kyong Park [KOREA] KOR 13.66 13.48
7 566 Emanuele Abate [ITALY] ITA 13.57 13.57
8 106 Othman Hadj Lazib [ALGERIA] ALG 13.46 13.46
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby shivfan » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:00 am

Jeez, I'm going to have to get up at 2am to watch this....
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Marlow » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:56 am

Weights&Shoes wrote:110 Metres Hurdles - M Heats
first 3 of each heat (Q) plus the 4 fastest times (q) qualified.

Heat 1
Xiang Liu

Heat 2
Jason Richardson

Heat 3
David Oliver

Heat 4
Dayron Robles


Whetting our appetites further!
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:27 pm

Predict that one of big 3 will not finish final. They have all been inconsistent this year.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby ATK » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:48 pm

Are the semis going to be a 2+2 qualify for the final?
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Vielleicht » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:40 pm

It was quite funny to see the bet between Mo Greene and Tyson Gay, the former rooted for Robles and the latter Liu Xiang. Oliver got no support from his countrymen? :roll:
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Vielleicht » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:53 pm

Liu won in his round in 13"20, with the wind +1.0m/s. He looked very comfortable and relaxed.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Top_end_speed » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:55 pm

Xiang and Turner through comfortably
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Marlow » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:07 pm

I'm mellowing on Richardson's technique. I'd never recommend it for anybody, but he looks very smooth and quick with it.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Vielleicht » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:09 pm

David Oliver 1st in his group with 13"27, Chinese athlete, universiade silver medalist Jiang Fan second
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby ATK » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:18 pm

Merrit followed by Robles
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby t_monk » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:28 pm

Robles looked so easy.... I think he jogged over the hurdles... >_<
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Vielleicht » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:49 pm

t_monk wrote:Robles looked so easy.... I think he jogged over the hurdles... >_<

Liu Xiang said in his postgame interview that "I'm surely not so good as Robles at the moment"
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby AS » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:13 pm

Reigning World Champ out in heats! Not really a shock though... :(
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby jeremyp » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:01 pm

Marlow wrote:I'm mellowing on Richardson's technique. I'd never recommend it for anybody, but he looks very smooth and quick with it.


Yeah his legs need to be more efficient over the hurdles, but he does motor.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Per Andersen » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:26 pm

Marlow wrote:I'm mellowing on Richardson's technique. I'd never recommend it for anybody, but he looks very smooth and quick with it.

The lightness impresses me.
He's within the norm of what is technically acceptable. He'll be sub 13 soon I think. The more I see him the better I like him.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby shivfan » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:07 pm

AS wrote:Reigning World Champ out in heats! Not really a shock though... :(

Ryan Brathwaite's form has been shocking since then, hasn't it?

Good to see all three Jamaicans advance....
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby croflash » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:42 pm

shivfan wrote:
AS wrote:Reigning World Champ out in heats! Not really a shock though... :(

Ryan Brathwaite's form has been shocking since then, hasn't it?

Good to see all three Jamaicans advance....


I remember wondering about Brathwaite two or three months ago because his technique looked paltry and he was completely out of sync. He was actually at least decent last season, but what happened? He was gradually improving up until winning the title in Berlin and been downhill since.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Weights&Shoes » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:44 am

Semi-Finals start list.

The IAAF again are idiots, if there's two semi's why not just have the Top 4 in each move on?


110 Metres Hurdles - M Semi-Final
first 3 of each heat (Q) plus the 2 fastest times (q) qualified.


Heat 1
Monday 29 August 2011 - 19:00

Lane Bib Athlete Country 2011 PB
1 400 Dimitri Bascou [FRANCE] FRA 13.37 13.37
2 600 Richard Phillips [JAMAICA] JAM 13.40 13.39
3 1098 Aries Merritt [UNITED STATES] USA 13.12 13.09
4 246 Xiang Liu [PR OF CHINA] CHN 13.00 12.88
5 286 Dayron Robles [CUBA] CUB 13.04 12.87
6 463 Andrew Turner [GREAT BRITAIN & N.I.] GBR 13.22 13.22
7 268 Paulo Villar [COLOMBIA] COL 13.52 13.29
8 492 Willi Mathiszik [GERMANY] GER 13.48 13.48


Heat 2
Monday 29 August 2011 - 19:08
Lane Bib Athlete Country 2011 PB

1 247 Dongpeng Shi [PR OF CHINA] CHN 13.44 13.19
2 459 William Sharman [GREAT BRITAIN & N.I.] GBR 13.47 13.30
3 1114 Jason Richardson [UNITED STATES] USA 13.08 13.08
4 608 Dwight Thomas [JAMAICA] JAM 13.15 13.15
5 1108 David Oliver [UNITED STATES] USA 12.94 12.89
6 239 Fan Jiang [PR OF CHINA] CHN 13.47 13.47
7 230 Ronald Forbes [CAYMAN ISLANDS] CAY 13.50 13.50
8 602 Andrew Riley [JAMAICA] JAM 13.32 13.32
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:16 am

Since 2x3 + 2 has them taking the top three, #4s go unless they are faster than at most 3 of the 8 in the other heat. And, with only two races, the differential in wind is not likely to be as large as with three heats. Thus, I do not mind this as much.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby uakari » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:14 pm

W&S, stop bitching. at least it's not 3 semis.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby gm » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Per Andersen wrote:
Marlow wrote:I'm mellowing on Richardson's technique. I'd never recommend it for anybody, but he looks very smooth and quick with it.

The lightness impresses me.
He's within the norm of what is technically acceptable. He'll be sub 13 soon I think. The more I see him the better I like him.


I agree with Per. Nothing at all wrong with Richardson's technique. It suits him perfectly. He is a delight to watch.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Marlow » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:11 pm

gm wrote:
Per Andersen wrote:He's within the norm of what is technically acceptable.

I agree with Per. Nothing at all wrong with Richardson's technique. It suits him perfectly. He is a delight to watch.

Ummm, he's really not anywhere near the 'normal' technical model. The technical model does not advocate that long swim motion, because it's not conducive to 'quick' levers getting up to the hurdle. Now, that said, you'd be crazy to try and break him of it now. I would not teach it, but sometimes athletes figure out what's best for themselves despite a coach trying to cram them into a technical model. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Weights&Shoes » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:28 pm

uakari wrote:W&S, stop bitching. at least it's not 3 semis.


You're clearly mad....
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby gh » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:41 pm

OK, so I can "understand" (and hate) a 3 semis with 2+2, if you're down to just 2 semis (you know, like god intended), WTF is up with this sudden 3+2 bullshit? This stuff continues to amaze me.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Alucard » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:06 pm

Can't wait to read your next T&F News editorial :D
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby toyracer » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:26 pm

gh wrote:OK, so I can "understand" (and hate) a 3 semis with 2+2, if you're down to just 2 semis (you know, like god intended), WTF is up with this sudden 3+2 bullshit? This stuff continues to amaze me.


Agreed!
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Per Andersen » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:20 pm

Marlow wrote:
gm wrote:
Per Andersen wrote:He's within the norm of what is technically acceptable.

I agree with Per. Nothing at all wrong with Richardson's technique. It suits him perfectly. He is a delight to watch.

Ummm, he's really not anywhere near the 'normal' technical model. The technical model does not advocate that long swim motion, because it's not conducive to 'quick' levers getting up to the hurdle. Now, that said, you'd be crazy to try and break him of it now. I would not teach it, but sometimes athletes figure out what's best for themselves despite a coach trying to cram them into a technical model. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Man, It looks like we are in agreement then. How about that :shock:
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Letlôtse » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:03 am

I've just seen the bull**** for myself and can not believe it.

Is someone purposefully messing around ?

Why the hell would you not just take the top four from a two heat semi-final ?
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby shivfan » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:02 am

1) Liu Xiang 13.31
Robles and Merritt very close behind....

Turner fourth, and was Phillips fifth?
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby croflash » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:05 am

Robles is such a great technician, he looked in complete control.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Letlôtse » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:07 am

I'm hoping the final will be as close as that first semi-final.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby shivfan » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:11 am

1) Richardson 13.11
2) Oliver
3) Sharman
4) Thomas - may just have made it as a fastest loser....
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby Letlôtse » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:13 am

Maybe David Oliver thinks he can run through the hurdles rather than over them.

Richardson looked very good.
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Re: 2011 WC: m110H—

Postby croflash » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:14 am

If Oliver can't improve his start in a hurry which is unlikely, he will be going home without a medal. Richardson continues right where he left off before the break.
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