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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby j-a-m » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:25 am

Tuariki wrote:The other athletes then compete for the 2 remaining spots.

This would be unfair to all those athletes that didn't get to compete in the DL because they didn't get invited. This is even more true for collegiate athletes and recent graduates.

It's difficult enough for them as it is to make the team, coming off the long collegiate season, and having to deal with all those NCAA regulations. Reducing the number of available spots would punish collegiate athletes (and recent graduates) for having competed in college instead of turning pro and trying to get into invitational DL events.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby ATK » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:18 am

j-a-m wrote:
Tuariki wrote:The other athletes then compete for the 2 remaining spots.

This would be unfair to all those athletes that didn't get to compete in the DL because they didn't get invited. This is even more true for collegiate athletes and recent graduates.

It's difficult enough for them as it is to make the team, coming off the long collegiate season, and having to deal with all those NCAA regulations. Reducing the number of available spots would punish collegiate athletes (and recent graduates) for having competed in college instead of turning pro and trying to get into invitational DL events.

That's assuming Merris and Richardson do not make the top 3 at trials. If just one of them makes the top 3, then the other 2 "new" athletes go as if nothing has changed, along with merrit and richardson
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby j-a-m » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:50 am

ATK wrote:That's assuming Merris and Richardson do not make the top 3 at trials. If just one of them makes the top 3, then the other 2 "new" athletes go as if nothing has changed, along with merrit and richardson

You're right, in the 110h with Merritt and Richardson this is probably not gonna be an issue; I was more considering this as a general rule.

Hypothectically, had Felix won the 200 WC two years ago (not that unrealistic), then such a rule would mean both her and Charonda Williams would be automatically qualified. Then an athlete like K. Duncan would have to compete for only two spots, which would punish her for competing collegiately instead of getting invited to DL races.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby toyracer » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:39 am

Tuariki wrote:I believe the USA, Jamaica, Kenya and any other country that has 2 wild cards should grant both wild card athletes their automatic right of entry as long as both have met the A standard. The other athletes then compete for the 2 remaining spots.


That goes against the spirit of the wild card. The wild card is supposed to be an entry in addition to the regular three, not in place of. That's why I maintain that a country should be allowed five entries, once the three athletes not holding wild cars attain the relevant standards.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby ATK » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:54 pm

toyracer wrote:
Tuariki wrote:I believe the USA, Jamaica, Kenya and any other country that has 2 wild cards should grant both wild card athletes their automatic right of entry as long as both have met the A standard. The other athletes then compete for the 2 remaining spots.


That goes against the spirit of the wild card. The wild card is supposed to be an entry in addition to the regular three, not in place of. That's why I maintain that a country should be allowed five entries, once the three athletes not holding wild cars attain the relevant standards.

But your throwing in another wild card now, so its not going against any spirit since its completely new.

The only way something like this could have happened in the past is if two athletes tied for WC gold. That would cause the dilemma, Kenya Jamaica and the US are in now.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:32 am

In resume, who would be so stupid choose to Ashmeade and NO Bolt?
Bolt is world champion,world olympic and world recordman in 200m, Ashmeade is a lot of worst runner that him.
It should not to exist debate :lol:
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby toyracer » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:01 am

ZELLGADISS wrote:It should not to exist debate :lol:


Why not? Because Bolt is Bolt?

What about fairness? What about equity? What about having earned something as a result of a season of hard work? That goes out the window, because Bolt is Bolt?

The IAAF should not have created this dilemma. There should not have to be a choice made. If something is earned, it is earned.

Glen Mills weighs in.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2012 ... orts1.html

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"I believe it is unfair to offer a man something he cannot use," Mills told The Gleaner. "If you are giving a wild card as a reward for work done, then that wild card should be able to be used no matter what.

"So whether or not you have the defending champion from the same country, if you give someone a wild card, they should be able to cash it in. So if a country ends up with two wild cards, so be it, but you can't disenfranchise the man, because that is what you are doing when you force the country to decide on who goes and who has to qualify," Mills added.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Olympic Champ • DL Champ

Postby Tuariki » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:34 am

toyracer wrote:
Tuariki wrote:I believe the USA, Jamaica, Kenya and any other country that has 2 wild cards should grant both wild card athletes their automatic right of entry as long as both have met the A standard. The other athletes then compete for the 2 remaining spots.


That goes against the spirit of the wild card. The wild card is supposed to be an entry in addition to the regular three, not in place of. That's why I maintain that a country should be allowed five entries, once the three athletes not holding wild cars attain the relevant standards.

I agree with you on that. However, if the IAAF does not change its rules then the individual national associations will have to make a decision one way or the other.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Diamond L Champ • Olympic gold [?]

Postby t_monk » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:17 pm

I prefer there not be 5 athletes from one country in one race...
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Diamond L Champ • Olympic gold [?]

Postby ATK » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:04 am

t_monk wrote:I prefer there not be 5 athletes from one country in one race...

Why not? That's the only way we would see all the best athletes in the world.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Diamond L Champ • Olympic gold [?]

Postby toyracer » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:20 am

t_monk wrote:I prefer there not be 5 athletes from one country in one race...


Why not?

Isn't the World Championships supposed to be reflective of the very best in each event? Don't we, as track fans, recognize that some countries are stronger than others in specific events? What really is wrong with a country being able to field five athletes in an event? Remember, two of those would have earned their spots after having won the previous World Championship and previous Diamond League championship so they are not slouches. The other three would come from a national trials or selection, and they would have to attain the A standard as well. We're not talking about fielding a female 100m runner that can't break 13 seconds or anything similar.

Additionally, as much as I dislike it, the three semi-final system (presuming a sprint event) may mostly likely whittle those five down to three, possibly four. In all likelihood the five would not all make it to the final. But at least along the way we would have hopefully seen a higher level of competition than we do now. And isn't that what we want, or should want?
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Diamond L Champ • Olympic gold [?]

Postby bushop » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:51 pm

Track & Field News has produced a list of Diamond League winners.

Only one of the 3-time DL winners, Cheruiyot, earned a wildcard in Daegu.
I like the idea that some of our most successful 'regular season' stars are automatically part of our championship meet. It would be ridiculous to not have a 3-time DL champion not competing at our world championship.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Diamond L Champ • Olympic gold [?]

Postby tandfman » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:09 am

bushop wrote:Track & Field News has produced a list of Diamond League winners.

Only one of the 3-time DL winners, Cheruiyot, earned a wildcard in Daegu.
I like the idea that some of our most successful 'regular season' stars are automatically part of our championship meet. It would be ridiculous to not have a 3-time DL champion not competing at our world championship.

In her case, there's no problem. She also gets the defending champion wild card.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s) • Diamond L Champ • Olympic gold [?]

Postby bushop » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:03 pm

So, what if we had:

2014 Regional Championships - since we have a 'dead' season (no WC or OG)
• top-X performances in each region fill entry list
• winner goes to next World Championships and does not count against country's 3

2015 World Championships auto-entries that do not count against country's 3:
• 2013 World Championship gold medalist
• 2014 Diamond League winner
• 2014 Regional Championship gold medalist

2017 World Championships auto-entries that do not count against country's 3:
• 2015 World Championship gold medalist
• 2016 Diamond League winner
• 2016 Olympic Games gold medalist

A country could have six entires in a World Championship.
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Re: World's Wildcard(s)•Diamond Champ•Olympic gold•Regionals

Postby ATK » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:23 pm

I'm still curious what the 2013 and 2015 Diamond league winner receive, if anything, since there are not WC in 2014 and 2016 (cant give wild car to the Olympics)
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Re: World's Wildcard(s)•Diamond Champ•Olympic gold•Regionals

Postby t_monk » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:54 pm

ATK wrote:I'm still curious what the 2013 and 2015 Diamond league winner receive, if anything, since there are not WC in 2014 and 2016 (cant give wild car to the Olympics)


I've been wondering the same thing...
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